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Post by MGH on Dec 9, 2011 16:24:15 GMT -5
Reports are now that the Lakers, Hornets, and Rockets are back at it again trying to work a deal that the commissioner won't smack down. They aren't giving up.
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Post by Insomniac on Dec 9, 2011 16:28:56 GMT -5
So the Celtics trade an immature, poor rebounding, out of shape player who relies too much on an inconsistent jumper... for someone who's a better rebounder, better on the offensive end, and doesn't look like he spent his offseason living out of a Krispy Kreme. And he's locked up for two years at $4M per. Nice job, Danny.
Oh, and Glen Davis will now be making 4/$26M. Ladies and gentlemen, Otis Smith! For his next trick, watch him make Dwight Howard disappear.
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Post by Objection! on Dec 9, 2011 16:54:01 GMT -5
So the Celtics trade an immature, poor rebounding, out of shape player who relies too much on an inconsistent jumper... for someone who's a better rebounder, better on the offensive end, and doesn't look like he spent his offseason living out of a Krispy Kreme. And he's locked up for two years at $4M per. Nice job, Danny. Oh, and Glen Davis will now be making 4/$26M. Ladies and gentlemen, Otis Smith! For his next trick, watch him make Dwight Howard disappear. Davis had a good year last year. But he's not great. It says a lot when your back up big man's best offensive maneuver is a shakey Jump shot. It also says a lot when your back up big man is too small to defend every other team's big men. In fact when I think about it, the best thing Davis does is take charges. Getting Bass would be a nice deal for Boston. I have no idea why Orlando would want Davis TBH.
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Post by Insomniac on Dec 9, 2011 17:02:01 GMT -5
I watched a lot of Davis last year and I thought he was noticeably worse than in the past. He has all but abandoned his inside game for that 16-18 foot jump shot that is still a work in progress. It's mostly to blame for the fact that he hasn't shot over 45% from the floor since his rookie year. He's also pretty bad on the glass, and that stems from the fact that he has no leaping ability whatsoever. He's 6'9" yet pushes close to 300 lbs. Like you said, the one thing he seemed to do well last year was take charges, so that will be missed. But Brandon Bass seems like an upgrade in virtually every department. And he's cheaper and comes with a shorter, much more team-friendly deal. As a Celtics fan, there's nothing to dislike about this trade.
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Post by andrew8798 on Dec 9, 2011 17:02:24 GMT -5
The Hawks and Bulls may be close to a sign-and-trade that would send Jamal Crawford to Chicago.
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Post by Objection! on Dec 9, 2011 17:04:35 GMT -5
Incidentally, have the C's been linked with any Centers?
There's a big 6ft10in+ hole in the roster as far as I can see.
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Post by MGH on Dec 9, 2011 17:13:35 GMT -5
freeppistons Source: Rip Hamilton has been waived by the Pistons. Will be bought out. Not an amnesty transaction.
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Post by Insomniac on Dec 9, 2011 17:14:05 GMT -5
I've heard Chris Wilcox' name thrown around. Not exactly a center, but an athletic 6'10" PF that can rebound. And this team desperately needs athleticism. They've already got Jermaine in place, although you obviously can't count on him for much.
At the moment, they're looking at the following:
Starters: Rondo-Allen-Pierce-KG-O'Neal
Bench: Dooling, Bass, Daniels and the two rookies.
Still need to add another center and a PG. Surprisingly I haven't heard anything about Delonte West this offseason. They really need to find a way to keep him around.
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Post by Objection! on Dec 9, 2011 17:24:10 GMT -5
freeppistons Source: Rip Hamilton has been waived by the Pistons. Will be bought out. Not an amnesty transaction. This I was expecting. So does that mean Rip's an unrestricted free agent? Also these amnesty players (like Arenas)...are they UFAs?
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Post by Unocal 76 on Dec 9, 2011 17:27:48 GMT -5
Who would Jason Richardson fit well in if Orlando doesn't keep him?
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Post by Insomniac on Dec 9, 2011 17:28:40 GMT -5
Also these amnesty players (like Arenas)...are they UFAs? I believe teams that are under the salary cap are allowed to bid on amnesty'd players. If no one bids within 48 hours, they become UFAs.
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Post by Unocal 76 on Dec 9, 2011 17:37:10 GMT -5
freeppistons Source: Rip Hamilton has been waived by the Pistons. Will be bought out. Not an amnesty transaction. Where would he fit well?
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Post by Red Impact on Dec 9, 2011 17:41:59 GMT -5
Also these amnesty players (like Arenas)...are they UFAs? I believe teams that are under the salary cap are allowed to bid on amnesty'd players. If no one bids within 48 hours, they become UFAs. So I guess I dont' understand why you'd bid on them... would you get them for less than if they were UFA's? If so, why would a team ever make a waived player an amnesty player if another team could get them more cheaply? Or would you have to pay more for an amnesty player than a UFA? If that's the case, why would a team ever bid on an amnesty player? It's not like released players are going to be the cream of the crop, they're always going to be castoffs.
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Post by Insomniac on Dec 9, 2011 17:55:14 GMT -5
I believe teams that are under the salary cap are allowed to bid on amnesty'd players. If no one bids within 48 hours, they become UFAs. So I guess I dont' understand why you'd bid on them... would you get them for less than if they were UFA's? If so, why would a team ever make a waived player an amnesty player if another team could get them more cheaply? Or would you have to pay more for an amnesty player than a UFA? If that's the case, why would a team ever bid on an amnesty player? It's not like released players are going to be the cream of the crop, they're always going to be castoffs. Well a team would amnesty a player to rid themselves of that player's contract. Kind of a "Get out of jail free card" for an albatross contract. They'd have to pay the rest of the contract, but it wouldn't count against their payroll for salary cap or luxury tax purposes. Other teams can bid on these amnesty'd players in the form of a silent auction, where their bid is how much of that salary they're willing to take on. The highest bidder would get the rights to the player. However, once the player becomes an UFA, that player can choose to go wherever they wish. So you'd bid on a player if you want to make sure you can add them to your team and don't want to have to openly compete with other suitors. At least I'm pretty sure that's how it works. Someone please correct me if I screwed anything up. EDIT: One thing I can't seem to find is, if a player goes unclaimed during the bidding process, and they sign with a new team for a specified amount, do they receive two paychecks? One from the original contract and one from the new contract with their new team? If that's the case, they could sign with a new team for dirt cheap while still making the bulk of their money from the old contract. So if that is true, players would no doubt rather go unclaimed and become UFAs.
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Post by MGH on Dec 9, 2011 18:00:37 GMT -5
freeppistons Source: Rip Hamilton has been waived by the Pistons. Will be bought out. Not an amnesty transaction. Where would he fit well? Bulls are strongly rumored to be the destination, but Boston will reach out as well.
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Post by Red Impact on Dec 9, 2011 18:00:58 GMT -5
So I guess I dont' understand why you'd bid on them... would you get them for less than if they were UFA's? If so, why would a team ever make a waived player an amnesty player if another team could get them more cheaply? Or would you have to pay more for an amnesty player than a UFA? If that's the case, why would a team ever bid on an amnesty player? It's not like released players are going to be the cream of the crop, they're always going to be castoffs. Well a team would amnesty a player to rid themselves of that player's contract. Kind of a "Get out of jail free card" for an albatross contract. They'd have to pay the rest of the contract, but it wouldn't count against their payroll for salary cap or luxury tax purposes. Other teams can bid on these amnesty'd players in the form of a silent auction, where their bid is how much of that salary they're willing to take on. The highest bidder would get the rights to the player. However, once the player becomes an UFA, that player can choose to go wherever they wish. So you'd bid on a player if you want to make sure you can add them to your team and don't want to have to openly compete with other suitors. At least I'm pretty sure that's how it works. Someone please correct me if I screwed anything up. So, essentially, it's opening up trades to a player for straight cash rather than what they usually do, trading them for 3 or 4 low-cost guys that they immediately release. That makes a lot more sense.
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Post by andrew8798 on Dec 9, 2011 18:03:45 GMT -5
Chandler's deal is 4 yrs/$58 million. Dallas was only offering 2 years
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Post by Insomniac on Dec 9, 2011 18:04:31 GMT -5
Yeah, teams can essentially get rid of players who they feel are too costly for nothing but cap space. While they still have to pay them, it won't count against their payroll so the team can then replace him with another player. Also works as a means of avoiding having to pay the luxury tax.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 9, 2011 18:34:21 GMT -5
Looks like the Knicks have a solid center for 4 years. I'm really happy about this signing. Chandler's a great team player and this is HUGE plug in one of the major holes of the Knicks.
Like I said before, I think Chandler, or any solid center, is more important than CP3, honestly.
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Post by andrew8798 on Dec 9, 2011 18:37:19 GMT -5
Reports are that the Union's saying that if Paul isn't traded by Monday, they're going to pursue other options including litigation against the NBA.
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