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Post by mainsupreme on Sept 11, 2011 14:38:49 GMT -5
I see no real soul in Dolph Ziggler, Kofi Kingston, Cody Rhodes, Ted Dibiasi, John Morisson, Sheamus, Ezekiel Jackson.
They're so cookie cutter and just there. They have no presence, most of them are very good technical wrestlers, but ugh.
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Post by repomanfan on Sept 11, 2011 14:53:27 GMT -5
I see no real soul in Dolph Ziggler, Kofi Kingston, Cody Rhodes, Ted Dibiasi, John Morisson, Sheamus, Ezekiel Jackson. They're so cookie cutter and just there. They have no presence, most of them are very good technical wrestlers, but ugh. The key word is technical. They know how to perform moves, but they don't know what to do with them and how to use them to get themselves over. They all have more or less the exact same style. Completely cookie cutter in every single way. This is true for 90% of WWE and TNA.
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Post by angryfan on Sept 11, 2011 15:04:13 GMT -5
I find there are guys I have no interest in, but who I pull for if something about them personally hits a soft-spot so to speak. I saw Hacksaw mentioned, and while I've never really been a fan or seen the appeal in the "patriotic dimwit" gimmick that he seems to be working, when I see him I remember his battle with cancer and the obviously heartfelt speech he gave.
For that I can't hate the man, but I just don't see the appeal.
Hogan has always had a turn the channel feel to me, though I think it's a mix of both a long memory and seeing his work in Japan. What I mean is that the first time I remember seeing Hogan on TV, he was doing the racist heel gimmick, cutting a "shine my shoes, boy" promo against Tony Atlas. When I saw him come back in the red and yellow, I vividly remember saying to my dad that I didn't like him because of what he said to Atlas. Yes, it was a gimmick and it was a kid having a long memory when that's not supposed to happen, but being in the targeted age demographic, I just could never buy into him.
Years later watching his matches in Japan, it was hard for me to reconcile it was the same person, because I saw honest effort and work out of the man. Then I heard the interviews about "doing just what was needed, and less is more" and it came off as just plain lazy. It said, to me, "I don't have to try for the audience, so I'll save it for when I'm overseas".
Matt Hardy - Don't need to say much more than "attention whoring jackbag" and "inferiority complex"
New Jack - I firmly believe the man is mentally unstable and dangerous. Not a gimmick, him.
Teddy Hart - comes off as entitled and clueless
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Post by repomanfan on Sept 11, 2011 15:09:13 GMT -5
I find there are guys I have no interest in, but who I pull for if something about them personally hits a soft-spot so to speak. I saw Hacksaw mentioned, and while I've never really been a fan or seen the appeal in the "patriotic dimwit" gimmick that he seems to be working, when I see him I remember his battle with cancer and the obviously heartfelt speech he gave. For that I can't hate the man, but I just don't see the appeal. Hogan has always had a turn the channel feel to me, though I think it's a mix of both a long memory and seeing his work in Japan. What I mean is that the first time I remember seeing Hogan on TV, he was doing the racist heel gimmick, cutting a "shine my shoes, boy" promo against Tony Atlas. When I saw him come back in the red and yellow, I vividly remember saying to my dad that I didn't like him because of what he said to Atlas. Yes, it was a gimmick and it was a kid having a long memory when that's not supposed to happen, but being in the targeted age demographic, I just could never buy into him. Years later watching his matches in Japan, it was hard for me to reconcile it was the same person, because I saw honest effort and work out of the man. Then I heard the interviews about "doing just what was needed, and less is more" and it came off as just plain lazy. It said, to me, "I don't have to try for the audience, so I'll save it for when I'm overseas". Matt Hardy - Don't need to say much more than "attention whoring jackbag" and "inferiority complex" New Jack - I firmly believe the man is mentally unstable and dangerous. Not a gimmick, him. Teddy Hart - comes off as entitled and clueless Why does Hogan need to do anything else when he's the most over man in the business. And yes less is more.
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Post by angryfan on Sept 11, 2011 16:09:17 GMT -5
I find there are guys I have no interest in, but who I pull for if something about them personally hits a soft-spot so to speak. I saw Hacksaw mentioned, and while I've never really been a fan or seen the appeal in the "patriotic dimwit" gimmick that he seems to be working, when I see him I remember his battle with cancer and the obviously heartfelt speech he gave. For that I can't hate the man, but I just don't see the appeal. Hogan has always had a turn the channel feel to me, though I think it's a mix of both a long memory and seeing his work in Japan. What I mean is that the first time I remember seeing Hogan on TV, he was doing the racist heel gimmick, cutting a "shine my shoes, boy" promo against Tony Atlas. When I saw him come back in the red and yellow, I vividly remember saying to my dad that I didn't like him because of what he said to Atlas. Yes, it was a gimmick and it was a kid having a long memory when that's not supposed to happen, but being in the targeted age demographic, I just could never buy into him. Years later watching his matches in Japan, it was hard for me to reconcile it was the same person, because I saw honest effort and work out of the man. Then I heard the interviews about "doing just what was needed, and less is more" and it came off as just plain lazy. It said, to me, "I don't have to try for the audience, so I'll save it for when I'm overseas". Matt Hardy - Don't need to say much more than "attention whoring jackbag" and "inferiority complex" New Jack - I firmly believe the man is mentally unstable and dangerous. Not a gimmick, him. Teddy Hart - comes off as entitled and clueless Why does Hogan need to do anything else when he's the most over man in the business. And yes less is more. Oh, I admit it's not necessarily rational, but didn't think that was the point here. But I'll explain best I can. If he HAD to in Japan, does that make them more sophisticated, and therefore worthy, then American fans? If I find myself enjoying his Japanese work more, does my geographic location mean that I don't "deserve" to see the effort? Liek I said, it's not rational, I admit it fully, but it IS one of the reasons that I just find him to be a channel changer.
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Post by moneyman20 on Sept 11, 2011 16:12:29 GMT -5
I find there are guys I have no interest in, but who I pull for if something about them personally hits a soft-spot so to speak. I saw Hacksaw mentioned, and while I've never really been a fan or seen the appeal in the "patriotic dimwit" gimmick that he seems to be working, when I see him I remember his battle with cancer and the obviously heartfelt speech he gave. For that I can't hate the man, but I just don't see the appeal. Hogan has always had a turn the channel feel to me, though I think it's a mix of both a long memory and seeing his work in Japan. What I mean is that the first time I remember seeing Hogan on TV, he was doing the racist heel gimmick, cutting a "shine my shoes, boy" promo against Tony Atlas. When I saw him come back in the red and yellow, I vividly remember saying to my dad that I didn't like him because of what he said to Atlas. Yes, it was a gimmick and it was a kid having a long memory when that's not supposed to happen, but being in the targeted age demographic, I just could never buy into him. Years later watching his matches in Japan, it was hard for me to reconcile it was the same person, because I saw honest effort and work out of the man. Then I heard the interviews about "doing just what was needed, and less is more" and it came off as just plain lazy. It said, to me, "I don't have to try for the audience, so I'll save it for when I'm overseas". Matt Hardy - Don't need to say much more than "attention whoring jackbag" and "inferiority complex" New Jack - I firmly believe the man is mentally unstable and dangerous. Not a gimmick, him. Teddy Hart - comes off as entitled and clueless Wow, I had completely forgotten about Teddy"Look at me, I can do flips!!" Hart and Matt"I'll make a suicide joke as a PROFESSIONAL WRESTLER" Hardy. Put those two douche bags on my list as well.
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Post by Dean-o on Sept 11, 2011 18:39:04 GMT -5
Sid - He cheated to beat HBK at Survivor Series 1996. I was a huge HBK mark growing up, and ever he turned on HBK back in 1995 i've hated him ever since.
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 11, 2011 18:41:08 GMT -5
I see no real soul in Dolph Ziggler, Kofi Kingston, Cody Rhodes, Ted Dibiasi, John Morisson, Sheamus, Ezekiel Jackson. They're so cookie cutter and just there. They have no presence, most of them are very good technical wrestlers, but ugh. I get some of those, but Sheamus?! He could hardly be less cookie cutter. Who have you seen who was just like him?
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Post by 'Foretold' Joker on Sept 11, 2011 18:57:29 GMT -5
Just thought I'd explain my choices
Samoa Joe - In ring he is very good, but I just don't think much of him outside of the ring he doesn't really do anything interesting. Ted Dibiase Jr - I find him to be dull and pointless. Brutus 'The Barber' Beefcake - I know the guy has had lots of gimmicks but even as the Barber he just came across as a face to cheer for no particular reason, plus his wrestling style just irks me for some reason.
Russian gimmick wrestlers - Face or Heel I have no interest in any wrestler that thinks a Russian gimmick is going to make me care.
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Post by Oak: Certified Jade Hater on Sept 11, 2011 20:10:15 GMT -5
Jerry Lynn - Never appealed to me.
Eve - For all the talk of her training in BJJ, I still have to see her act like a chick in a rap video before she does a friggin' moonsault. Pass.
Alex Riley - Nice enough guy I'm sure, but meh.
Matt Hardy - At least Jeff tries. It may not be his best, but Jeff tries. Matt's someone I used to like before I had to admit he would never be his brother because he doesn't have the same level of charisma. Plus, THAT video.
HHH - Explain why I'm supposed to like him. Really.
Mark Henry - Monster or not, never saw his appeal.
Matt Morgan - The guy crapped out to me. He was booked to be a monster, and then nothing. When TNA gave up on him, so did I.
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Post by spaceship on Sept 11, 2011 23:26:28 GMT -5
It's up to you if the reasons are stupid, maybe some are, but these are the guys I dislike: -Honky Tonk Man: His whole gimmick is a joke to me and he seems like a scumbag. His scene in Beyond the Mat makes me sick. -New Jack: Do I really need to explain this? Just a douche and a legit murderer in my eyes. -Matt Hardy/Jeff Hardy/Shannon Moore/Shane Helms: Have thought this whole crew was just a bunch of drugged up loser for years. I seem to be pretty accurate on this one. -Duggan: Never liked the guy and his whole gimmick to me seems to be Eugene with 10 more IQ points. -Slaughter: Always thought he was lame. Hate it anytime I see him. -Piper: See Slaughter. I give him props for good mic work but I still cringe when I see him. -Necro Butcher: What a dumbass. -Vince Russo: Do I even need to explain? Watch a Cornette shoot. That's my main "s*** List" I suppose, other people I dislike to varying degrees are Cena, Mysterio, Sin Cara, Swagger, Alex Riley, Lawler, Cole, Eve, Lita, Morrison, and Hornswoggle. I'm sure there's more that I can't think of. Piper seconded. He peaked in 85/86. Ever since then he's been playing a tame and controlled version of his previous character and making money of the same old schtick. You can say the same thing about Flair, but at least Ric has had his entertaining moments in the 90s and 2000s. Piper has simply been boring for the last 20 years. Chris Jericho-just never understood his appeal. On a superficial level I can admit that he's good at what he does, but on an emotional level he has never done anything for me as a fan. I kind of like Jericho, but I've thought he was like a dorky version of Shawn Michaels.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2011 23:42:08 GMT -5
He ( Sheamus) could hardly be less cookie cutter. Who have you seen who was just like him?
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Post by nm on Sept 11, 2011 23:42:26 GMT -5
Beer Money. I don't know why, but I cant stand them. At all. Their feud with Mexican America actually got me to cheer for Aquafina and Hernandez.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2011 23:50:51 GMT -5
Beer Money. I don't know why, but I cant stand them. At all. Their feud with Mexican America actually got me to cheer for Aquafina and Hernandez. I've said it before, I'll say it again -- I never understood the "Beer Money" part -- the "Beer" I get, but they never paid more than lip service to Roode's wealth from the day the team formed. A prime example of dysergy -- the whole was LESS than the sum of its parts.
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Post by mainsupreme on Sept 12, 2011 9:21:24 GMT -5
I see no real soul in Dolph Ziggler, Kofi Kingston, Cody Rhodes, Ted Dibiasi, John Morisson, Sheamus, Ezekiel Jackson. They're so cookie cutter and just there. They have no presence, most of them are very good technical wrestlers, but ugh. The key word is technical. They know how to perform moves, but they don't know what to do with them and how to use them to get themselves over. They all have more or less the exact same style. Completely cookie cutter in every single way. This is true for 90% of WWE and TNA. I feel heath slater, Barrett and Justin Gabriel do have a bit of spirit. They feel more real, not like walking WWE scripts.
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Post by mainsupreme on Sept 12, 2011 9:24:20 GMT -5
I see no real soul in Dolph Ziggler, Kofi Kingston, Cody Rhodes, Ted Dibiasi, John Morisson, Sheamus, Ezekiel Jackson. They're so cookie cutter and just there. They have no presence, most of them are very good technical wrestlers, but ugh. I get some of those, but Sheamus?! He could hardly be less cookie cutter. Who have you seen who was just like him? For me he is a comedy wrestler that gets pushed way too much. I just don't like his look, can't take him serious. Wrestlers are the best when they use they own personality with the volume turned way up. Sheamus is just a brawler with a funny accent and a bad entrance song.
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 12, 2011 9:41:19 GMT -5
I get some of those, but Sheamus?! He could hardly be less cookie cutter. Who have you seen who was just like him? For me he is a comedy wrestler that gets pushed way too much. I just don't like his look, can't take him serious. Wrestlers are the best when they use they own personality with the volume turned way up. Sheamus is just a brawler with a funny accent and a bad entrance song. If you have difficulty taking him seriously, I have to ask: did you skip his ECW run, or what he did to Jamie Noble? They established pretty early on that "comedy wrestler" was not in the job description.
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Post by Tiger Maskooo on Sept 12, 2011 9:56:34 GMT -5
Marc Mero.
Good god that man annoys the f***ing hell out of me. I've long had no clue why. I mean hell at one point one could even argue he had ok matches but he just angers me. If luger is mcmahons attempt to recapture hogan,I think mero was his attempt to recapture macho man and I hated every minute of it.
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 12, 2011 9:58:16 GMT -5
Marc Mero. Good god that man annoys the f***ing hell out of me. I've long had no clue why. I mean hell at one point one could even argue he had ok matches but he just angers me. If luger is mcmahons attempt to recapture hogan,I think mero was his attempt to recapture macho man and I hated every minute of it. Yeah, I really never got into Marc.
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Post by baronmordo on Sept 12, 2011 12:32:20 GMT -5
Marc was...not very good. I hate Kelly Kelly because she simply CANNOT run the ropes. If you're scared the ropes are going to hurt, you really shouldn't be a wrestler. And repo, what you said about a lot of WWE/TNA wrestlers knowing moves but not knowing how to get anything out of them or get over was pretty spot on. I agree.
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