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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2011 7:46:26 GMT -5
Mark Henry is being built up as a huge threat to the "Age of Orton". Great, intriguing promos and short to-the-point matches.
That said, I see Randy walking away with the title, although maybe he hangs on due to some sort of referee's decision, and there's a rematch at Hell in a Cell.
There have been quite a few PPVs of the past where it seems like they have the guy who can deliver a good story in the ring and on the mic, only to have Creative drop the ball and get scared off at the prospect of this new contender actually holding said title.
I don't know if you've noticed (judging by the number of threads, you obviously have), but ratings aren't going through the roof, they're scraping the bottom of the barrel of disappointment. Mark Henry isn't the guy. I respect him, I like the gimmick, but people don't tune in to see Mark Henry.
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Post by Magnum Opus on Sept 17, 2011 8:10:03 GMT -5
Really? I defy you to read through EVERY championship holder in that span of time and tell me that every single one of them was more entertaining and deserved a championship more than Mark Henry. A reasonably sized potato has more in ring talent than Mark Henry, and about the same charisma. And when I say potato that isn't some bit of smark terminology, I mean a tuber. In fifteen years Henry and Creative combined still haven't figured out a way to work "the world's strongest man" into his ringwork beyond no selling shoulder blocks, he's barely got three moves in his repertoire, he gets winded from breathing, a completely inexpressive face and mic skills that can be best described as "not pants shit-ingly awful". This is his best work in fifteen years and it's just competent. So unless an undersized root vegetable held the title at some point every single one of them was more entertaining and deserved a championship more than Mark Henry.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Sept 17, 2011 8:46:17 GMT -5
So unless an undersized root vegetable held the title at some point every single one of them was more entertaining and deserved a championship more than Mark Henry. Every single one, huh?
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Post by Magnum Opus on Sept 17, 2011 9:18:31 GMT -5
I admit, you almost got me with that one, but I'll stand by it.
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Post by 4real on Sept 17, 2011 9:28:54 GMT -5
I thought he was going to cry, I felt really sorry for him. It just makes me want him to win more tomorrow.
Which really means its bad booking. Unless they want people to buy the PPV to see if he actually does win.
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Post by Big L on Sept 17, 2011 19:29:57 GMT -5
They actually garnered support for Henry with that promo. Now, I want him to win more than ever.
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Post by Djm Doesn't Find You Funny on Sept 17, 2011 19:53:48 GMT -5
For 15 years, people smaller than him have become champion.
Well, I guess that means how big you are really shouldn't meaning anything, right, wrestling business?
I mean, going by what Mark Henry said and all.
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Post by flatsdomino on Sept 17, 2011 20:06:48 GMT -5
I don't really see Henry as a long-term champ, but a reign from NoC-HiaC would be a nice "Thank You" plus would tell a MUCH better story than Orton dominating and dominating.
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Post by Magician under the moonlight on Sept 17, 2011 20:10:34 GMT -5
I don't really see Henry as a long-term champ, but a reign from NoC-HiaC would be a nice "Thank You" plus would tell a MUCH better story than Orton dominating and dominating. I can see him having a reign like Kane had last year. No more, no less.
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Post by Famous Rocking Chimes on Sept 17, 2011 20:16:37 GMT -5
Honestly I think Orton will win at NOC, but then lose at HIAC to Henry allowing him to hold it for at least a few more weeks and then lose it back to Orton at Vengeance.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2011 20:39:42 GMT -5
Having missed most of WWE programs since 07, I just can't get my head around Henry as an attraction Same here, and I've been watching fairly consistently. Mark Henry as a main eventer in 2011 is just a sign that they're running short of people worth pushing, or are too lazy to push someone new. Let the record show that Adam "Edge" Copeland, a well-regarded WWE performer, didn't actually win a top title for 10 years into his run. And to be considered enough of a credible heel to do so, had to break kaybabe. And hymens. Now, if you've been watching, you'd know Henry's been consistently over as a monster heel since 2006 when he was slapping Undertaker around. Then he got buried. He was also over as a face vs. a heel Orton two years ago, but suddenly had his angle aborted. To hang around Hornswoggle and wear bright red suits. Then he got buried. Henry's over as a heel AGAIN, vs. a face Orton. People don't want him to get buried.
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Post by salTy on Sept 17, 2011 21:02:28 GMT -5
I hope all you new Henry marks won't be devastated when Mizark eats an RKO on Sunday.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Sept 17, 2011 21:06:09 GMT -5
Same here, and I've been watching fairly consistently. Mark Henry as a main eventer in 2011 is just a sign that they're running short of people worth pushing, or are too lazy to push someone new. Let the record show that Adam "Edge" Copeland, a well-regarded WWE performer, didn't actually win a top title for 10 years into his run. And to be considered enough of a credible heel to do so, had to break kaybabe. And hymens. Actually, come to think of it, he isn't the only one. Him, Christian, and Jeff Hardy were more or less "late bloomers," in that it took nearly a decade for all three of them to not only see a world title, but to become established main eventers. So the idea of Mark Henry becoming world champion now isn't all that shocking or any kind of a bad sign.
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Sept 17, 2011 22:16:27 GMT -5
Let the record show that Adam "Edge" Copeland, a well-regarded WWE performer, didn't actually win a top title for 10 years into his run. And to be considered enough of a credible heel to do so, had to break kaybabe. And hymens. Actually, come to think of it, he isn't the only one. Him, Christian, and Jeff Hardy were more or less "late bloomers," in that it took nearly a decade for all three of them to not only see a world title, but to become established main eventers. So the idea of Mark Henry becoming world champion now isn't all that shocking or any kind of a bad sign. All three of those guys had actual talent, and at least one only got a reign because his best friend left.
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Post by "Hollywood" Cactus Matt on Sept 17, 2011 23:03:10 GMT -5
I don't really see Henry as a long-term champ, but a reign from NoC-HiaC would be a nice "Thank You" plus would tell a MUCH better story than Orton dominating and dominating. I can see him having a reign like Kane had last year. No more, no less. I've always marked for ass-kicking "monster" heels (from One Man Gang to Earthquake to Vader in WCW to Yokozuna to Kane to Mark Henry these days) so I can fully support the idea of a complete destructive badass holding the title until someone else manages to squeak out a win. (as long as that "someone" isn't Orton again.)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2011 1:22:36 GMT -5
If a promo made you root for a heel, then he's doing a s***ty job as a heel. Just sayin'. With all due respect, I don't think this reasoning holds in the modern day product. I don't want to see Mark Henry crush Orton because I'm a sadist, but because I want to see the human being who plays Mark Henry be awarded with some time in the sun. I think for many people, cheers and jeers for their persona are conflated with the kind of person they are. Not a sob story as much as a back story. He's not looking for sympathy or empathy, he's looking for vengeance and a title. But a multidimensional villain is far more intriguing than a melodramatic stereotype.
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Post by Urfarkendarf on Sept 18, 2011 1:29:17 GMT -5
Id like to see something crazy. Have Henry win, but pull off a double turn in the match.
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Post by ThereIsNoAbsurdistOnlyZuul on Sept 18, 2011 1:40:14 GMT -5
Not a sob story as much as a back story. He's not looking for sympathy or empathy, he's looking for vengeance and a title. But a multidimensional villain is far more intriguing than a melodramatic stereotype. This not the 80's anymore. Much like this isn't the Silver Age of comics. We can yearn for the nostalgia of the old days, but certain moments shake how we can view narratives, how we will accept them. I am not as hypercritical as other people, I like Mark Henry, I've liked him for a long time. I can buy him as a threat, and he has a presence. But ever since that JBL/HBK storyline a few years back, which led to HBK attacking Mark before their match, and Mark throwing HBK with his voice booming loud enough for the mic to pick up, "What the HELL is WRONG wit' you!?" I was a fan, a complete and utter fan. And his mini-feud with Orton that was dropped opened with such an awesome moment, I couldn't help but Mark for Mark. Hell, I liked his speech. I am not asking for a long run with the guy, but he should get it.
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Post by freestyle on Sept 18, 2011 6:37:03 GMT -5
I like Mark, but honestly I see him at some point in the match diving head first and Golden Boy pulling an RKO "out of nowhere".
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