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Post by joebob27 on Sept 12, 2011 22:18:56 GMT -5
Well, maybe I'm in the minority here, but I think segments like that are going to do a hell of a lot more to kill the idea of CM Punk as a major star than a feud against Kevin Nash ever could. It would help if they decided if he was a smarmy shooty tweener or a generic megaface. lol.
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Post by DSR on Sept 12, 2011 22:21:26 GMT -5
"My opinion doesn't matter, you gotta get over with them!"
"CM PUNK! CM PUNK! CM PUNK!"
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2011 22:22:06 GMT -5
Well, maybe I'm in the minority here, but I think segments like that are going to do a hell of a lot more to kill the idea of CM Punk as a major star than a feud against Kevin Nash ever could. It would help if they decided if he was a smarmy shooty tweener or a generic megaface. lol. "Voice of the Voiceless" was a real catchy prospect I thought. Maybe go easier on Punk namedropping fired wrestlers, but have Punk try and do more for the current downtrodden roster. I would really like them to detail exactly what changes Punk is looking for because so far it all seems to be about giving him more titles.
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Post by fizzeewater on Sept 12, 2011 22:22:57 GMT -5
.....and everything went completely over your head. And it went over yours. He was in a storyline that got him over, one that originally wasn't meant for him by the way. No other point is needed. If he were some idiot who got no reactions you'd have a point. No, the POINT that you're failing to grasp is that roided up bodybuilder types got opportunities they didn't deserve. Batista is the definition of that. A roided up freak with horrible ring skills and some of the most abominable mic skills in his day. A guy who did absolutely NOTHING to deserve a main even program with HHH besides look like a roided up monster. He got over. That's not the point. Nick Dinsmore got over playing a mentally challenged man; one of the dumbest characters of all time because he was in a program with HHH. Anybody would get over playing opposite of HHH those days. Rob Conway would've gotten over in that position and now we'd be looking back thinking about hearing crickets chirping during Batista Pops
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Post by Threadkiller [Classic] on Sept 12, 2011 22:23:59 GMT -5
"My opinion doesn't matter, you gotta get over with them!" "CM PUNK! CM PUNK! CM PUNK!" I also love that we're supposed to ignore he's been a heel for the majority of his time in WWE, and was doing a better job of getting people NOT to cheer him than just about anybody else on the roster. I don't think not having the fans on his side for the majority of his tenure should be held against him. For the better chunk of his time there, he's shown an innate ability to get the crowd to react the way he wants them to, which in itself is a rare thing today. It's only with the recent babyface turn that crowds have been somewhat ambivalent in between bursts of fevered fandom.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Sept 12, 2011 22:25:08 GMT -5
I haven't watched any Raw or Smackdown's as part of my continued strike of the WWE product. A friend of mine sent me a text and told me about the promo between Punk and Hunter.
Let me say this. If by some miracle Punk wins clean and say Hunter actually puts him over, then I'll most likely start watching again as my faith in the product my resurface. However since the chances of that happening is about as likely as Kurt Cobain being alive, safe to say my strike will most likely continue after NOC.
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Post by DSR on Sept 12, 2011 22:34:56 GMT -5
"My opinion doesn't matter, you gotta get over with them!" "CM PUNK! CM PUNK! CM PUNK!" I also love that we're supposed to ignore he's been a heel for the majority of his time in WWE, and was doing a better job of getting people NOT to cheer him than just about anybody else on the roster. I don't think not having the fans on his side for the majority of his tenure should be held against him. For the better chunk of his time there, he's shown an innate ability to get the crowd to react the way he wants them to, which in itself is a rare thing today. It's only with the recent babyface turn that crowds have been somewhat ambivalent in between bursts of fevered fandom. Really though, like Trips himself said, the two of them were going around in circles. And you can't get into "they boo me when I want them to boo me, and they cheer me when I want them to cheer me" without either sounding like a heel or breaking kayfabe (I know, they've been doing some worked shoots lately, but there's a difference between leaning on the 4th wall and breaking it). I don't know how exactly they could've done all of this better, but save for the final couple of minutes (right around when Hunter said "You made this personal" on), I really couldn't get into this promo battle, and I'm a fan of both guys on the mic.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Sept 12, 2011 22:40:51 GMT -5
I also love that we're supposed to ignore he's been a heel for the majority of his time in WWE, and was doing a better job of getting people NOT to cheer him than just about anybody else on the roster. I don't think not having the fans on his side for the majority of his tenure should be held against him. For the better chunk of his time there, he's shown an innate ability to get the crowd to react the way he wants them to, which in itself is a rare thing today. It's only with the recent babyface turn that crowds have been somewhat ambivalent in between bursts of fevered fandom. Really though, like Trips himself said, the two of them were going around in circles. And you can't get into "they boo me when I want them to boo me, and they cheer me when I want them to cheer me" without either sounding like a heel or breaking kayfabe (I know, they've been doing some worked shoots lately, but there's a difference between leaning on the 4th wall and breaking it). I don't know how exactly they could've done all of this better, but save for the final couple of minutes (right around when Hunter said "You made this personal" on), I really couldn't get into this promo battle, and I'm a fan of both guys on the mic. When you think about it Punk should be eviscerating Hunter in terms of the promos, because he is so vicious with his attacks and is quick to the point to where it surprises people. He should be running Hunter down on the mic and just flat out owning him like The Rock, Austin, and Foley used to do. Seems like they're already watering down Punk's mic skills.
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Post by Cronant on Sept 12, 2011 22:45:22 GMT -5
And it went over yours. He was in a storyline that got him over, one that originally wasn't meant for him by the way. No other point is needed. If he were some idiot who got no reactions you'd have a point. No, the POINT that you're failing to grasp is that roided up bodybuilder types got opportunities they didn't deserve. Batista is the definition of that. A roided up freak with horrible ring skills and some of the most abominable mic skills in his day. A guy who did absolutely NOTHING to deserve a main even program with HHH besides look like a roided up monster. He got over. That's not the point. Nick Dinsmore got over playing a mentally challenged man; one of the dumbest characters of all time because he was in a program with HHH. Anybody would get over playing opposite of HHH those days. Rob Conway would've gotten over in that position and now we'd be looking back thinking about hearing crickets chirping during Batista Pops He got over. I shouldn't have to stress this. Fans wanted to see him destroy Trips, even before the angle kicked into full gear. It wasn't a case of just anybody being able to do that. The guy was charismatic as hell. They gave the fans what they wanted. Whether or not Batista was a good to you or not is irrelevant.
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Post by cabbageboy on Sept 12, 2011 22:50:43 GMT -5
I dunno, the Punk promo got a bit too inside for my tastes. For instance, his story of how he got the biggest pop during the Survivor Series 2006 match. It didn't have the impact he wanted it to have because explaining the truth requires shattering the 4th wall a la WCW 2000 era. For it to work he has to say "I got the biggest ovation on that show, bigger than you and Shawn, but what was my reward? I got jobbed out first at ECW December to Dismember in the Elimination Chamber about 2 weeks later. You saw to it, Hunter." The irony there is that Punk was jobbed out first and buried there in order for Bobby Lashley (the definition of one of the roided up big men Punk was referring to) to get a push as ECW champion. In fact they jobbed Punk out first there so that the crowd wouldn't have the opportunity to cheer for him instead of Lashley.
I mean who on earth would understand that statement? It's too inside for the average viewer and requires a level of understanding of backstage politics most people do not have.
I did get a chuckle out of HHH saying Cena got over with the crowd, especially when over half the people seem to BOO Cena on a regular basis.
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Post by J.O.B. Squad on Sept 12, 2011 23:10:53 GMT -5
The promo at the end was awesome and the only match that was worth watching in my opinion was randy orton vs cody rhodes.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2011 7:15:28 GMT -5
Skipped Raw, but I mostly just think that ending sounds like it doesn't help in the fact I think Punk's character is coming off like an unlikable asshole. But then, I had the realization earlier that I haven't really particularly enjoyed anything involving Punk since his promo on Cena at the start of the Raw where he eventually took over Nexus.
Also, Cody is awesome and I want to look that match up.
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Post by 543Y2J on Sept 13, 2011 15:22:12 GMT -5
The end promo felt disjointed and somewhat idiotic, I appreciated what they were trying to say, and some of the points made were long overdue. I appreciated the refrence to SS06 Tag Match as I feel it was one of the most important matches in Punks career and truely showed how he was over from the beginning. Which made HHH's argument even more moronic, Punk has been over since the first day he has been in the company.
I think they will pull off a good brawl on Sunday as I am hoping both Punk and HHH are bringing their A games. I just hope they have clearly thought out what they are going to do with Punk after NOC, as he is currently the most important person in the company (and should be for a long time to come).
As far as Raw overall decent but not great, not exactly setting the world on fire. Atleast it was better than the first Raw Supershow. Only 65 pages for a Raw thread is also worrying as far as this weeks ratings go as well.
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