JoDaNa1281
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Aug 5, 2012 22:07:03 GMT -5
Relieved to find out at least one of the spoilers I read isn't true. Something was supposed to happen this episode that didn't. Just out of curiousity, what was it?
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Rican
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Post by Rican on Aug 5, 2012 22:08:32 GMT -5
Skylar needs to die seriously. I mean I've seen some evil people in Media in my life but damn. to {Spoiler}wish a man would die of cancer after he already lived through it so that he can never seen his kids again is just wrong. I don't care if the guy was Alex De Large or Michael Myers. You don't tell someone to their face "I hope you die of cancer because your kids will be better off with you" is just beyond the pale.
I mean That is just flat out undeniably evil. Heck , even before she said that she implied she'd lie about him beating her. That's just immoral and evil.
That's a classic moral event horizon to quote TvTRopes. That's where I'm getting at! She's even MORE of a villain than Walt. No she's not. Skyler is a bitch but she didn't poison a little kid to manipulate someone into helping him kill someone that was really only a threat to him.
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Post by Rican on Aug 5, 2012 22:09:46 GMT -5
Relieved to find out at least one of the spoilers I read isn't true. Something was supposed to happen this episode that didn't. Just out of curiousity, what was it? I'm gonna put it in spoiler tags in case it ends up happening later on anyway..YOU'VE BEEN WARNED, PEOPLE! {Spoiler}Jesse goes into hiding for Gale's murder. There were other spoilers too that I think are going to end up happening, honestly.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2012 22:14:44 GMT -5
That's where I'm getting at! She's even MORE of a villain than Walt. No she's not. Skyler is a bitch but she didn't poison a little kid to manipulate someone into helping him kill someone that was really only a threat to him. I find it funny how people are reacting to Skyler. Walt's got his hands in so much legitimately character damning stuff and Skyler wishes cancer on him and seems to be worse than everything Walt did. Kind of a sluggish episode but the last fifteen minutes between Walt and Skyler more than made up for it.
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Post by Rican on Aug 5, 2012 22:15:40 GMT -5
No she's not. Skyler is a bitch but she didn't poison a little kid to manipulate someone into helping him kill someone that was really only a threat to him. I find it funny how people are reacting to Skyler. Walt's got his hands in so much legitimately character damning stuff and Skyler wishes cancer on him and seems to be worse than everything Walt did. Kind of a sluggish episode but the last fifteen minutes between Walt and Skyler more than made up for it. Seriously. I used to hate Skyler too but COME ON. Walt is a f***ing monster.
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Post by Smokey McTrees on Aug 5, 2012 22:19:38 GMT -5
I feel so bad for Jesse. He loves Walt like a father figure and Walt doesn't give two s***s about him. I don't know if that is entirely true. Walt has let Jesse get away with so much stupid shit, and damned himself by running over those guys to save him. Sure Walt uses and manipulates Jesse, but he definitely feels for him like a surrogate son.
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Post by Yami Daimao on Aug 5, 2012 22:20:32 GMT -5
That's where I'm getting at! She's even MORE of a villain than Walt. No she's not. Skyler is a bitch but she didn't poison a little kid to manipulate someone into helping him kill someone that was really only a threat to him. I was half exaggerating when I said that, but she wished death on someone via cancer who already survived it once just so he could be out of his children's lives. Are you f***ing serious? Lives that he went through hell to protect might I add. Gus threatened to kill him and his family ("I will kill you infant daughter"), he did what he had to do. Sure poisoning Brock was f***ed up, and he is by no means a good guy for doing it, but it seems like he knew the poison wouldn't be enough to kill him. Anyways, point is, Skylar is f***ing repulsive and needs to be dealt with in some way. She may not be as big as a monster as Walt, but she's horrible in her own, twisted way.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2012 22:22:22 GMT -5
I feel so bad for Jesse. He loves Walt like a father figure and Walt doesn't give two s***s about him. I don't know if that is entirely true. Walt has let Jesse get away with so much stupid s***, and damned himself by running over those guys to save him. Sure Walt uses and manipulates Jesse, but he definitely feels for him like a surrogate son. That was early Walt though. I feel like new Walt sees him as an employee more than anything else. There might be a trickle of "it sucks I have to do this" in him if he comes to a point where he feels Jesse is a liability but I don't think he'd lose too much sleep over it.
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Post by Rican on Aug 5, 2012 22:22:50 GMT -5
I feel so bad for Jesse. He loves Walt like a father figure and Walt doesn't give two s***s about him. I don't know if that is entirely true. Walt has let Jesse get away with so much stupid s***, and damned himself by running over those guys to save him. Sure Walt uses and manipulates Jesse, but he definitely feels for him like a surrogate son. At some point yeah maybe he did but personally I feel like we're past that. Even if he did still care about him I think Jesse is still expendable in Walt's eyes. Walt would just rationalize like he always does.
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Post by Rican on Aug 5, 2012 22:23:46 GMT -5
I don't know if that is entirely true. Walt has let Jesse get away with so much stupid s***, and damned himself by running over those guys to save him. Sure Walt uses and manipulates Jesse, but he definitely feels for him like a surrogate son. That was early Walt though. I feel like new Walt sees him as an employee more than anything else. There might be a trickle of "it sucks I have to do this" in him if he comes to a point where he feels Jesse is a liability but I don't think he'd lose too much sleep over it. Wow, pretty much what I was getting at right when I posted it. Great minds and all that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2012 22:32:16 GMT -5
No she's not. Skyler is a bitch but she didn't poison a little kid to manipulate someone into helping him kill someone that was really only a threat to him. I was half exaggerating when I said that, but she wished death on someone via cancer who already survived it once just so he could be out of his children's lives. Are you f***ing serious? Lives that he went through hell to protect might I add. Gus threatened to kill him and his family ("I will kill you infant daughter"), he did what he had to do. Sure poisoning Brock was f***ed up, and he is by no means a good guy for doing it, but it seems like he knew the poison wouldn't be enough to kill him. Anyways, point is, Skylar is f***ing repulsive and needs to be dealt with in some way. She may not be as big as a monster as Walt, but she's horrible in her own, twisted way. I dunno dude. If Breaking Bad were a headline in the newspaper and not a fictional TV series I think you'd come off as a bit irrational in your thinking. I could understand if the character just grates on you but no one ever asked Walt to go as far as he did to support the family so I think that negates the idea that Skyler should just smile and appreciate what he's doing. It's pretty plain to see at this point that what Walt is doing goes beyond protecting the family and has become a point of pride for him. Every time he brags about how powerful he is in that world to Skyler speaks to that. Every time he plays "house" when he comes home from work and goes out of his way to try and include Skyler in conversations with Hank/Marie despite knowing she's not gonna play along make it really hard to root for Walt in all this. Mostly the fact that what he's ultimately doing is piling up a mess that he knows he's not gonna live to see a resolution to, and that Skyler and family will have to deal with once he dies.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2012 22:39:38 GMT -5
I find it funny how people are reacting to Skyler. Walt's got his hands in so much legitimately character damning stuff and Skyler wishes cancer on him and seems to be worse than everything Walt did. Kind of a sluggish episode but the last fifteen minutes between Walt and Skyler more than made up for it. Seriously. I used to hate Skyler too but COME ON. Walt is a f***ing monster. This is exactly how I feel. Some of these responses are..surprising, to say the least. Anyway, I think Skylar's been watching Orange County a bit too much.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Aug 5, 2012 22:48:22 GMT -5
Count me in on the "Skylar might be a bitch, but Walt is a monster" side. Some of the comments defending Walt are really baffling at this point. His motivation of wanting to protect/care for his family went out the window a few seasons ago.
Walt's been given numerous chances to just stop, including the infamous "infant daughter" speech (that would be the consequence if he refused to walk away and leave Jesse alone, remember, not just Gus threatening him for no reason), and has refused every single one of them. There is nothing moral or good about him any more, every action he takes is self-serving.
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Post by Some Guy on Aug 5, 2012 22:50:50 GMT -5
No she's not. Skyler is a bitch but she didn't poison a little kid to manipulate someone into helping him kill someone that was really only a threat to him. I was half exaggerating when I said that, but she wished death on someone via cancer who already survived it once just so he could be out of his children's lives. Are you f***ing serious? Lives that he went through hell to protect might I add. Gus threatened to kill him and his family ("I will kill you infant daughter"), he did what he had to do. Sure poisoning Brock was f***ed up, and he is by no means a good guy for doing it, but it seems like he knew the poison wouldn't be enough to kill him. Anyways, point is, Skylar is f***ing repulsive and needs to be dealt with in some way. She may not be as big as a monster as Walt, but she's horrible in her own, twisted way. No, she isn't. Walt is the one that's brought this on her, he's turned her into this suffocated woman who has no way out and is backed into a corner because of his actions. She wants him gone because she's tired of fearing for her life, fearing for the life of her son/infant daughter/sister/brother-law, knowing that Walt is the reason for all of this happening. By no means is Skyler flawless, she's made a ton of mistakes and is certainly having issues with her morality, but she is not repulsive for what she said to Walt or the argument she had with him. Walt manipulates everyone around her, buys off their son, makes Skyler seem like the bad guy in their fights to Marie and Hank, and keeps putting Skyler in this position because she's afraid of him and she's a coward. Skyler is not the bad guy, she isn't a bad person. She's an immoral person who has done some shady things, but by no means is she bad for it. Walt is the villain now, and Skyler/Jesse are the two people most effected by it.
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Post by Perd on Aug 5, 2012 22:57:44 GMT -5
I'm on Skyler's side, too. I'm well past the point of having any sympathy for Walt. At least Skyler realizes what she is.
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Post by Yami Daimao on Aug 5, 2012 22:58:59 GMT -5
Yeah I know, I was only looking at Walt's past actions from a different perspective. He seemed to have really changed after killing Gus. Before that, and even while being hunted by Gus, he was still doing the things he was doing with his family's well-being in mind, but with a bit of selfishness too. He hasn't really DONE anything that drastic since then since it's still kind of early, but his personality has definitely changed, and it shows with how he verbally treats people.
But Skyler (I have NO idea why I have been misspelling her name tonight as "Skylar" even though I've known and spelled it correctly before. Must be the anger) has shown signs of being a total conniving bitch way before Walt's descent. I'll still never forget her having an affair with Ted immediately after finding out Walt was cooking even though she kept accusing him of having an affair of his own. And that felt more like she was only getting back at him, as oppose to being "driven" there from devastation upon discovery. She may not be killing people and such, and she technically isn't more villainous than Walt, but she is FAR from being a saint.
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Post by Yami Daimao on Aug 5, 2012 23:06:24 GMT -5
Don't really mean to double post, but I'll end it at that. It's clearly obvious I AM the minority in this, and I don't have anything much else to say because I feel like I've defended my opinion enough on the matter.
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Post by Dan Gerous on Aug 5, 2012 23:48:54 GMT -5
I don't see how anyone can defend Skyler in this, she's just as bad as Walt. I'm sure she'll get what's coming to her at some point down the road.
She could prob get off with a plea deal for turning Walt in, or claiming she was under duress, plus her brother in law is a DEA agent, she'd be alright. If she's so scared, she could go to Hank for help.
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Post by Some Guy on Aug 5, 2012 23:55:05 GMT -5
I don't see how anyone can defend Skyler in this, she's just as bad as Walt. I'm sure she'll get what's coming to her at some point down the road. She could prob get off with a plea deal for turning Walt in, or claiming she was under duress, plus her brother in law is a DEA agent, she'd be alright. If she's so scared, she could go to Hank for help. You can't be serious. And no, she can't go to Hank.
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Post by Massive G on Aug 6, 2012 0:03:23 GMT -5
I can't completely articulate why. but I found this episode surprisingly hilarious.
the car scene at the beginning? Hilarious.
"that's a pretty small one, mom"? HILARIOUS. (and did you see how sad he was when Skyler switched his bacon with Walt's little piece? THIS KID LOVES HIS BREAKFAST.)
"that's it, she's dead." Mike is awesome, and hilarious.
I also can never stop laughing at Hank and Gomie's every interaction; Gomie is so totally Kif Kroker to Hank's Zapp Brannigan.
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