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Post by wcw on Dec 28, 2011 14:46:32 GMT -5
Don't get the Ryder hate, the guy is above average in the ring and actually good on the mic. What is there to dislike? You can't win them all I guess.
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Post by BR329 on Dec 28, 2011 14:46:32 GMT -5
I can't stand the guy. Every time I see him, all I can think of is that he's getting this push on TV because of the "Make a Wish" program. Wait, What?
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Post by Beartato on Dec 28, 2011 14:48:24 GMT -5
He's a fantastic success story, but I'm not really a fan...which is weird because I loved him on ECW. Now I just find his acting unentertainingly cheesy and he's nothing special in the ring. I sort of agree. I mean I still think he's great and I marked hard when he won the US title and even shed a tear when they showed his dad celebrating, but his acting is pretty lame and I don't like his show. I like him for having the initiative to do something to get himself over besides wait until something happens, and the fact that he's been a huge fan of wrestling since he was a kid. While I'll always like Zack, he'll probably never be a favorite of mine.
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Post by linecookguy on Dec 28, 2011 14:53:32 GMT -5
Don't get the Ryder hate, the guy is above average in the ring and actually good on the mic. What is there to dislike? You can't win them all I guess. We will talk about promo's when he finally gets angry or says something other than his WWWYKI on the mic.All I have ever seen him do is his catchphrases and talk really, really, really fast. I don't think there is a wrestler that actually looks at Zack Ryder like he is a legitimate threat. As I stated before same thing goes for the Miz When Zack gets some ruthless aggression we can talk
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Post by Some Guy on Dec 28, 2011 14:55:59 GMT -5
Except that I don't ever tweet Ryder. I follow him, but I don't tweet him. No, if you look at his timeline, he does it in blocks, but only VERY sporadically. Like it has to be a preset Q&A, and a big to-do, but otherwise he won't respond back to people. Which is pretty much what most wrestlers and indeed most celebs do. There's plenty of guys that are "Right, I've got ten minutes, send me your questions!" or go on a sudden and short RTing spree. Generally, if you don't time your tweets for when somebody is actively tweeting others, you're not likely to get a reply. And Ryder is a sweetheart and this thread is the usual wrestling hipster nonsense. Surprised an equivalent Punk thread hasn't sprung up. Haven't several people who have met Ryder on this forum and other places say he was kind of stand-offish and not a particularly nice guy (and a lot of this was before his big push)? I mean, compare him to a guy like Ziggler. Ziggler's a HEEL, and he takes the time consistently to answer peoples questions on twitter and every person who has met him has said nothing but glowing things about him. I like Zack, but there's no way in hell he's a sweetheart. I've enjoyed Ryder for a long time (I marked for him getting a shot at Christian), but I've always known he wasn't that great in the ring. He really is basically like another Road Dogg, in that his charisma is what gets him places more than anything. The comparison to Cena really just doesn't work, mainly because Cena has always been a much more capable worker than Ryder and is probably the world's nicest human being. One more thing, THE RON SWANSON AVATAR IS MINE GODDAMMIT.
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Post by Metalheadbanger Man on Dec 28, 2011 14:59:43 GMT -5
I will agree that anytime Ryder cut a promo before he had the "Woo Woo Woo" gimmick, it was horrible.
I always remember a promo segment between Ryder/Hawkins and the Colons to set up the tag title match between them, and Ryder in particular was awful on the mic.
So yeah, it would be interesting to hear him cut an intense or serious promo with this character.
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Dec 28, 2011 15:43:49 GMT -5
I can't stand the guy. Every time I see him, all I can think of is that he's getting this push on TV because of the "Make a Wish" program. Wait, What? This, please, do elaborate. On topic, I find it funny how some people will turn on a person because they strive so much to be different. I guarantee you can find people on here who were singing his praises when he first started Z!TLIS, but will bitch about him now.
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Post by Nerdkiller the threadkiller on Dec 28, 2011 15:46:16 GMT -5
As for Zack himself...well...just look at my signature to know what I think. It's pretty much in my blood to hate obnoxious douchebags. So why is Punk still there? Never really looked into it. As for Ryder himself, I can appreciate how he managed to get over, but like one guy said earlier, I just don't get him. I guess it's kind of because I don't really like going to social network sites in general, seeing as how it's how he got over.
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Post by jadison on Dec 28, 2011 16:17:03 GMT -5
So who are you guys going to turn on next? Bryan? Punk? Bourne? Christian? Henry? Masked Kane? Jericho if he comes back? You guys helped make him, and now you're unhappy? He's being shoved down our throats? He's being used on TV a lot Not 6 months ago everyone(Including myself) were pissed that he wasn't on TV at all. I don't get you guys sometimes. You guys. Can you name one specific person in this thread that was championing Zack Ryder before, and is now bashing him? This is the thread for people like myself that never really liked him in the first place, and now that he's getting pushed like him less as a result.
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Post by The Punisher on Dec 28, 2011 16:17:43 GMT -5
I think the other part of this equation is that WWE has tried so hard to create another John Cena, in the event God needs some time off or turns heel, and now they've got someone who the fans have taken to who is independent of the corporate machine's efforts to push others. Because they have stumbled across someone who is a hit with the younger audience and is very in touch with social networking (something WWE is obviously keen to crack), they now feel the need to force him onto the wider populace.
From the WWE's perspective, they win. They put little work into his push, and when he got himself over regardless of that , took up the reigns to push him further and create a marketable commodity ala SuperJohn.
The real blame here is not attached to Ryder for being pushed, it's to WWE for virtually binning a young, techincally adept guy, then jumping on the back of his own initiative to push him further, and are now in danger of oversaturating his exposure.
I can't blame Ryder for going along with a push, if you have to act like a goof for the sake of your wage packet and to stay in a competitive business where you're only one suplex away from becoming Ken Anderson, then you would, wouldn't you?
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Post by linecookguy on Dec 28, 2011 16:20:46 GMT -5
I think the other part of this equation is that WWE has tried so hard to create another John Cena, in the event God needs some time off or turns heel, and now they've got someone who the fans have taken to who is independent of the corporate machine's efforts to push others. Because they have stumbled across someone who is a hit with the younger audience and is very in touch with social networking (something WWE is obviously keen to crack), they now feel the need to force him onto the wider populace. From the WWE's perspective, they win. They put little work into his push, and when he got himself over regardless of that , took up the reigns to push him further and create a marketable commodity ala SuperJohn. The real blame here is not attached to Ryder for being pushed, it's to WWE for virtually binning a young, techincally adept guy, then jumping on the back of his own initiative to push him further, and are now in danger of oversaturating his exposure. I can't blame Ryder for going along with a push, if you have to act like a goof for the sake of your wage packet and to stay in a competitive business where you're only one suplex away from becoming Ken Anderson, then you would, wouldn't you? With Ryder though its been what 4 months maybe, we have seen his rise to where he is now.. Was Cena such a rising comet like Ryder has been? I know Cena has been on top for a while but wasn't there maybe a two year period where he wasn't on the top in the WWE..
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Post by linecookguy on Dec 28, 2011 16:21:32 GMT -5
So who are you guys going to turn on next? Bryan? Punk? Bourne? Christian? Henry? Masked Kane? Jericho if he comes back? You guys helped make him, and now you're unhappy? He's being shoved down our throats? He's being used on TV a lot Not 6 months ago everyone(Including myself) were pissed that he wasn't on TV at all. I don't get you guys sometimes. You guys. Can you name one specific person in this thread that was championing Zack Ryder before, and is now bashing him? This is the thread for people like myself that never really liked him in the first place, and now that he's getting pushed like him less as a result. Thank You for this.
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Post by . on Dec 28, 2011 16:30:10 GMT -5
I <3 Zach Ryder
WOO WOO WOO
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 28, 2011 16:50:40 GMT -5
Ryder is fine. An example of WWE actually doing the right thing and pushing someone who had taken the time to build a character and a fanbase, and be like no one else on the present roster. As long as they don't overexpose him, he'll be alright as a mid-card act.
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Post by joebob27 on Dec 28, 2011 16:58:55 GMT -5
Oh boo hoo... My tweets weren't retweeted... How will ever I go on? He probably gets hundreds of them a day. He's a professional wrestler, not a professional Tweetmaster. I see what you're saying, but would a couple of responses to dedicated fans be quite so bad? That's why everybody loves Scott Stanford, not just for his awesome announcing, but because he's really quite authentic and he's happy to talk to his fans on a frequent basis. But for Zack, why do people have to buy his stuff for a chance for him to talk to them? That's so...commercial. Back to the hipster dilemma! Casual fans have no idea who Scott Stanford even is and I see him a helluva lot more doing weekend local sports reports than I do on WWE programming. It's not the hipster dilemma, it's the smark dilemma.
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Post by dlg3000 on Dec 28, 2011 17:00:09 GMT -5
He's alright.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 28, 2011 17:03:15 GMT -5
I think he's ok.
Like he's decently entertaining and whatnot; but I think both the love and hate ends of the spectrum are a bit too much.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Dec 28, 2011 17:08:08 GMT -5
I think the other part of this equation is that WWE has tried so hard to create another John Cena, in the event God needs some time off or turns heel, and now they've got someone who the fans have taken to who is independent of the corporate machine's efforts to push others. Because they have stumbled across someone who is a hit with the younger audience and is very in touch with social networking (something WWE is obviously keen to crack), they now feel the need to force him onto the wider populace. From the WWE's perspective, they win. They put little work into his push, and when he got himself over regardless of that , took up the reigns to push him further and create a marketable commodity ala SuperJohn. The real blame here is not attached to Ryder for being pushed, it's to WWE for virtually binning a young, techincally adept guy, then jumping on the back of his own initiative to push him further, and are now in danger of oversaturating his exposure. I can't blame Ryder for going along with a push, if you have to act like a goof for the sake of your wage packet and to stay in a competitive business where you're only one suplex away from becoming Ken Anderson, then you would, wouldn't you? With Ryder though its been what 4 months maybe, we have seen his rise to where he is now.. Was Cena such a rising comet like Ryder has been? I know Cena has been on top for a while but wasn't there maybe a two year period where he wasn't on the top in the WWE.. He's the comedy midcard champion, he rubs shoulders with the main event guys but he's hardly on top now. And going by Wikipedia, John Cena started his rapper gimmick Halloween 2002, and got his first main event feud with Brock Lesnar in February 2003, so yeah, about 4 months between gimmick change and main event.
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Post by bearned on Dec 28, 2011 17:12:49 GMT -5
He is a good wrestler and decent on the mic. He has an interesting underdoggish character that people can get behind - it won't last forever but he is reasonably entertaining right now.
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Post by Lancers on Dec 28, 2011 17:17:36 GMT -5
I can't stand the guy. Every time I see him, all I can think of is that he's getting this push on TV because of the "Make a Wish" program. Wait, What? I think he's saying Zack Ryder is a 13 year old kids with Non-Hodgkin Lymphoma.
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