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Post by Kash Flagg on Dec 28, 2011 20:59:54 GMT -5
I'm not getting the "he's a good talker" bit. He's a good solid wrestler, but he cuts terrible promos.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 28, 2011 21:25:05 GMT -5
As others have mentioned, I got all the respect in the world for the guy since he managed to get himself so over but I can't say that I am a fan personally. Also, I would like to be directed to a 'good' Zach Ryder promo. From what I've seen, every time he's on the mic, it's just him screaming "WOO WOO WOO" and spouting off other catchphrases.
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Post by Codebreaker on Dec 28, 2011 21:31:27 GMT -5
I can get why others would dislike him, absolutely, but I personally love him. He's fun to watch for me, both promo-wise and in the ring.
Beyond that, he's like a symbol of hope that the WWE brass, when lobbied enough by fans - whether it be with their words or their wallets - will listen up. The WWE didn't make him, the fans made him. That's why, I think, it's extra cool to see him with the belt.
Although I do agree in a way with those who said he should directly respond to his fans a little more on Twitter. From what I've seen, he hasn't used it too much lately, and when he has it's just been to hit on Eve. But at the same time, couldn't we count the show as Zack putting in that extra mile for the fans?
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Post by saintpat on Dec 28, 2011 21:36:53 GMT -5
Does absolutely nothing for me. Never has.
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Post by Some Guy on Dec 28, 2011 21:38:47 GMT -5
I'm not getting the "he's a good talker" bit. He's a good solid wrestler, but he cuts terrible promos. I think he's mediocre, and that's enough I guess. I mean, when the big three were celebrating their title victories last week, both Bryan and Punk gave pretty solid and lengthy promos, while Ryder just said one line then his catchphrase. I think he should have actually done something else there...
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Post by eldandyjamupguy on Dec 28, 2011 21:42:20 GMT -5
Zack Ryder is too full of his own shit.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2011 21:56:06 GMT -5
His old shit was better
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Post by Ishmeal Loves Kaseyhausen on Dec 28, 2011 22:06:39 GMT -5
...and so begins the "now he's popular, so I don't like him" swing. I've been waiting for this.
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Post by YeahYeahYeahYeahYeah on Dec 28, 2011 22:12:09 GMT -5
I feel as confused right now as I was when suddenly everyone seemed to hate (or at least dislike) John Morrison. Where the hell was I when this switch-over happened?? I feel so lost!
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Post by Cela on Dec 28, 2011 22:15:57 GMT -5
I like his finisher, his signature move, his music and that he got himself over, but the guy just lacks anything close to an "It" factor. I am inclined to believe that he is just a meme.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2011 22:37:48 GMT -5
Week in and week out they shove this guy down our throats. Would it kill him to put someone else over for once?
I'M TIRED OF HIS BACKSTAGE POLITICKING AND HE NEEDS TO TURN HEEL
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Dec 28, 2011 23:02:56 GMT -5
I've asked before and nevr gotten a response. If Zack Ryder is being shoved down people's throats then what exactly consitutes a natural push?
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Post by BigWill on Dec 28, 2011 23:07:09 GMT -5
I feel as confused right now as I was when suddenly everyone seemed to hate (or at least dislike) John Morrison. Where the hell was I when this switch-over happened?? I feel so lost! I don't think it's so much that everyone's turned on Ryder, as when his popularity grew, the haters that were already there decided that they needed to become more vocal about it. And on the Morrison hate, I think a lot of people ended up taking that whole Trish Stratus cold shoulder thing personally.
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Post by Just Jay on Dec 28, 2011 23:12:39 GMT -5
Is this thread really happening? Seriously?
Really?
Really?
REAALLLLYY?
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Post by Mac on Dec 28, 2011 23:14:22 GMT -5
Never liked him. He can't talk, he is a mediocre wrestler and looks like a muppet. There's not much to like about him except that it became "cool" to like him because he wasn;t being pushed by the machine but going out on his own to try to get fan support. Well that worked and I guess it's time for him to deliver. Meaningless, boring matches, Scotty 2 Hotty heat and nothing of real interest.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Dec 28, 2011 23:20:18 GMT -5
I feel as confused right now as I was when suddenly everyone seemed to hate (or at least dislike) John Morrison. Where the hell was I when this switch-over happened?? I feel so lost! I don't think it's so much that everyone's turned on Ryder, as when his popularity grew, the haters that were already there decided that they needed to become more vocal about it. Yeah, pretty much. There are a fickle few who have turned against him, no doubt, but what I'm seeing is that the majority of those who dislike him never cared for him in the first place. Which is the case with many of these perceived "I hate him now he's popular" backlashs. There usually is no backlash. It's just that someone gets popular, thus they are discussed more and so there is more opportunity for negative feelings to be expressed. Though on the other side of that coin, can we stop with the "It's just a fad" thing? Since a lot of those who like him, myself included, have been fans for quite a while? Seriously, the leaps some people make due to the need to justify the opinion as "correct" is astounding.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2011 23:22:38 GMT -5
I feel as confused right now as I was when suddenly everyone seemed to hate (or at least dislike) John Morrison. Where the hell was I when this switch-over happened?? I feel so lost! I don't think it's so much that everyone's turned on Ryder, as when his popularity grew, the haters that were already there decided that they needed to become more vocal about it. And on the Morrison hate, I think a lot of people ended up taking that whole Trish Stratus cold shoulder thing personally. Can I rant for a wee bit on the Morrison one? I think a lot of the discontent involving Morrison was how booking so thoroughly gravitated away from what made him a solid performer in the first place. Whether it was with Melina and Mercury, with just Melina, or with Miz, Morrison always needed people who were competent as talkers by his side to add depth to promos. When they weren't directing him and he wasn't limited to bad porn noises or non-sequiturs, his inability to speak bled through anything. Remember what the major catalyst was to his initial depush in 2006? That horrid press conference with him and Melina, after she turned on Mick Foley, where he totally bungled every single line he could deliver and made her look bad too. Fast forward five years, and he still can't talk worth a lick. So what does WWE do? Try to have him be Mr. Funny Man with witty promos? Being witty requires a sharp tongue, not being wrestling's very own George McFly, instead of letting him be Joe Cool and stay silent. He also built a huge reputation on being both athletic and super-talented in the ring. Incredibly good at selling, able to mat wrestle with anybody or play the high flyer with anybody (behold his matches with Punk and Hardy to prove either), but they got seriously carried away with the parkour and he became a spot monkey, doing zany stunts for no particular reason and they gravitated from his phenomenal ring skills. At the end of the day, he became a guy who jumped around too much and talked too much. And with Ryder, WWE needs to be careful with how they book him--maybe he's not quite a main eventer, but does he totally need to be? Go with what works and play on what he's got: fan sympathy, memetic power, and decent in-ring skills. A solid mid-carder all the way, and definitely not the dead-end jobber he once was.
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Post by wcw on Dec 28, 2011 23:27:28 GMT -5
Don't get the Ryder hate, the guy is above average in the ring and actually good on the mic. What is there to dislike? You can't win them all I guess. We will talk about promo's when he finally gets angry or says something other than his WWWYKI on the mic.All I have ever seen him do is his catchphrases and talk really, really, really fast. I don't think there is a wrestler that actually looks at Zack Ryder like he is a legitimate threat. As I stated before same thing goes for the Miz When Zack gets some ruthless aggression we can talk Why does every character need to have ruthless aggression? Someone does something different with a mid card act then you want him to do what everyone else does? And a lot of times when there isn't anything different people complain that everyone acts the same. Ryder doesn't need to show Ruthless Aggression at least not until way down the line when a situation might call for it.
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Post by jadison on Dec 28, 2011 23:30:13 GMT -5
I've asked before and nevr gotten a response. If Zack Ryder is being shoved down people's throats then what exactly consitutes a natural push? Cody Rhodes's push, since the day he stepped in the company. He was never shoved down anyone's throat, never suddenly took a level in badass and was be able to beat people that would've mopped the floor with him a few months before. He's constantly evolved and its led him to a lot of different places. That's a natural push, imo. Not that Ryder's is all that unnatural, but they kinda skipped a step in the build up like they seem to with a lot of wrestlers.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2011 23:35:42 GMT -5
I've asked before and nevr gotten a response. If Zack Ryder is being shoved down people's throats then what exactly consitutes a natural push? Cody Rhodes's push, since the day he stepped in the company. He was never shoved down anyone's throat, never suddenly took a level in badass and was be able to beat people that would've mopped the floor with him a few months before. He's constantly evolved and its led him to a lot of different places. That's a natural push, imo. Not that Ryder's is all that unnatural, but they kinda skipped a step in the build up like they seem to with a lot of wrestlers. Completely agree. Cody's a prime example of a push done properly. Totally believable, with a natural skill progression up the ladder ever so subtly and quietly.
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