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Post by mauled on Dec 22, 2011 8:57:05 GMT -5
People often talk about Hogan no selling the PB in 95 yet when he went to the WWF there wouldve been a lot of fans who hadnt seen that yet as the monster heel he kinda failed badly.
Why was that ? Cornette says it was cause of HBK cause he kept getting potatoed and points to there match were Shawn is stomping him screaming move when he didnt get out of the way of an elbow drop is that fair on either man
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Dec 22, 2011 9:05:54 GMT -5
HBK probably had something to do with it, but it was also the fact that WWE seemed determine to treat Vader as just another guy. Vader's not just any guy. He's Vader.
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Post by jobber2thestars on Dec 22, 2011 10:47:41 GMT -5
He smelled.
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Dec 22, 2011 10:58:21 GMT -5
I think there was too much going on. I think he would have gotten over a lot better in the early 90s WWF like how Yokozuna did.
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Post by repomanfan on Dec 22, 2011 11:00:38 GMT -5
People often talk about Hogan no selling the PB in 95 yet when he went to the WWF there wouldve been a lot of fans who hadnt seen that yet as the monster heel he kinda failed badly. Why was that ? Cornette says it was cause of HBK cause he kept getting potatoed and points to there match were Shawn is stomping him screaming move when he didnt get out of the way of an elbow drop is that fair on either man Shawn is a prick, but what does that example have to do with Vader being lackluster in the WWF?
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Post by Rumble McSkirmish on Dec 22, 2011 11:08:15 GMT -5
A bunch of little factors such as injuries, lazyness, getting arrested in Kuwait, a pointless face turn...just became too much for his WWF career.
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Post by 747 on Dec 22, 2011 11:19:45 GMT -5
Perhaps Vader simply entered the WWF at the wrong time. Oh, he got pushed in 1996 a little bit, but by the time 1997 came around the WWF was starting to transition towards the Attitude Era and I guess Vader didn't fit in with their plans at the time.
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Post by El Dandy on Dec 22, 2011 11:58:16 GMT -5
I don't think there were too many baby faces at that time who were willing to get stiffed and beaten by Vader. Can't really think of many memorable feuds that Vader was involved in with the WWF. He just didn't fit in there, very much like how Bret Hart never fit in with WCW.
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Dec 22, 2011 12:12:42 GMT -5
Because he was a "big fat sack of shit?" I kid, I'm a huge Vader fan. It's probably because they were moving away from the era of monster heels to more realistic ones.
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Post by repomanfan on Dec 22, 2011 12:14:12 GMT -5
Because he was a "big fat sack of s***?" I kid, I'm a huge Vader fan. It's probably because they were moving away from the era of monster heels to more realistic ones. Ha ha @ WWf moving towards more realistic heels.
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Post by mauled on Dec 22, 2011 12:16:15 GMT -5
People often talk about Hogan no selling the PB in 95 yet when he went to the WWF there wouldve been a lot of fans who hadnt seen that yet as the monster heel he kinda failed badly. Why was that ? Cornette says it was cause of HBK cause he kept getting potatoed and points to there match were Shawn is stomping him screaming move when he didnt get out of the way of an elbow drop is that fair on either man Shawn is a prick, but what does that example have to do with Vader being lackluster in the WWF? You wold have to ask Cornette but Im guessing he points to that whiched pi@@ed off Shawn (who was champ and the big cheese at the time) so had him ko'd career wise. And dont forget Vader was in fued with the champ whose wrestling abilties even his worst enemies recognise (meaning win or lose Vader couldv/shouldve got some great talked about matches regardless) headlining Summerslam (biggest ppv after wrestlemania) and then to what ? Nothing really
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Post by repomanfan on Dec 22, 2011 12:43:13 GMT -5
Shawn is a prick, but what does that example have to do with Vader being lackluster in the WWF? You wold have to ask Cornette but Im guessing he points to that whiched pi@@ed off Shawn (who was champ and the big cheese at the time) so had him ko'd career wise. And dont forget Vader was in fued with the champ whose wrestling abilties even his worst enemies recognise (meaning win or lose Vader couldv/shouldve got some great talked about matches regardless) headlining Summerslam (biggest ppv after wrestlemania) and then to what ? Nothing really Sounds plausible.
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Post by steamboat1 on Dec 22, 2011 13:26:19 GMT -5
You potato somebody, expect to get payed back. You potato the world champion, expect to fail.
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Post by repomanfan on Dec 22, 2011 14:17:13 GMT -5
You potato somebody, expect to get payed back. You potato the world champion, expect to fail. You potato Paul Orndorff you get your face kicked in with flip flops.
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Post by VenomFang on Dec 22, 2011 14:22:07 GMT -5
He didnt have the right attitude and worked too stiff. Also Vince was unable to get him to change his named to The Mastodon so maybe Vince was punishing him for not going along with that.
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Post by johnnyk9 on Dec 22, 2011 17:07:14 GMT -5
Vader was great until Shawn pinned him at SummerSlam 1996, if you watch the lead into SummerSlam they make it look like Vader has the match in his favor, but working with hissy fit Shawn back then, you see how it turned out, after that he just didn't look intimadating anymore, jobbing to Sid, his feud with the Undertaker did nothing even with Taker putting him over, and his tag team with Mankind did really nothing as well.
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Post by Sir Woodrow on Dec 22, 2011 17:10:10 GMT -5
Because he had to deal with a Prima Donna World Champ
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Post by rapidfire187 on Dec 22, 2011 17:25:27 GMT -5
Because he was a "big fat sack of s***?" I kid, I'm a huge Vader fan. It's probably because they were moving away from the era of monster heels to more realistic ones. I don't buy that, considering Kane debuted in late '97 as a monster heel that wasn't realistic in the slightest. Vader actually WAS realistic. He didn't have a gimmick or anything really, he was just a big fat guy that kicked people's ass. I think that was actually why he didn't work out. See, as a kid that really started to get hooked on wrestling around 96-early 97, Vader was one of my least favorites whether he was a face or heel. He was just a fat guy to me. I thought he sucked. I didn't care how hard he hit somebody, he just wasn't cool. Though I did kind of get behind him when he had that short feud with Kane. The fact that he was the first person to really get some offense in on him (when he powerbombed him on RAW) had me excited. Then Kane made him look like a chump every time they wrestled and that was pretty much the last straw for Vader. In hindsight, it probably just had a lot to do with Shawn's politicking, and his stiffness in the ring.
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Post by Metalheadbanger Man on Dec 22, 2011 17:29:22 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't think Michaels helped his cause at all. I've always read that the original idea was for Vader to win the WWF Title at Summerslam '96, so his run could've been much different.
Why he ended up jobbing to all and sundry in '98 is beyond me. He must have pissed some people off.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Dec 22, 2011 18:28:50 GMT -5
Because he had to deal with a Prima Donna World Champ This, x 1000. I guess it shows that wrestling skills = good person in alot of people's minds. For example, Hogan no selling him in WCW killed him, but alot of people just avoid the fact that Michaels beating him, throwing a hissy fit in the friggen ring, was worse to his overall career.
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