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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Dec 27, 2011 15:18:21 GMT -5
I'll probably never like Alicia's though. Easy to hate Alicia's as it was originally Maria's first theme.
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Post by norsisclouds on Dec 27, 2011 15:44:49 GMT -5
Personally I like Eve more than most of the more popular women around here. Honestly she's one of the better ones in the ring and on the mic. i agree. i'll also say that the result of this Ryder stuff is for a, to me, overdue heel turn (other than 1 segment a couple years back she's been a face from day 1, even KK was at least kinda-heel when extreme expose was hanging out with the Miz) when Ryder thinks all his efforts have finally paid off at winning Eve's heart, then he catches her making out with <next title feud person> i think her style may be better suited for a heel anyway (though having faces to actually feud with on the other hand...) I was thinking that too actually. If they play this right it could be Trish Stratus' heel turn or Lita's all over again--(without the slut chants) Ryder will think they're a real couple and suddenly she's with Dolph Ziggler and cost him a match. That would really get Eve's character over and give her more to work with than generic latin dance girl with the bad moonsault. In fact--I--who usually can't stand her, might even start liking her a little. Might.
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Post by AztecaDragon on Dec 27, 2011 15:57:16 GMT -5
Good Lord...it's like they refuse to have anyone do anything but leave with these themes. Most of the guys get these buttrock themes that at least try to be badass, or something that gets the crowd pumped.
I just wish her theme would be something to wake people up.
An Eve turn could be interesting as long as it makes sense. Lita's turn was a whole bunch of whatever but Trish's turn didn't make any damned sense.
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Post by alliedbiscuit on Dec 27, 2011 16:34:25 GMT -5
Eve puts me to sleep. Terrible theme.
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Post by norsisclouds on Dec 27, 2011 16:43:34 GMT -5
Good Lord...it's like they refuse to have anyone do anything but leave with these themes. Most of the guys get these buttrock themes that at least try to be badass, or something that gets the crowd pumped. I just wish her theme would be something to wake people up. An Eve turn could be interesting as long as it makes sense. Lita's turn was a whole bunch of whatever but Trish's turn didn't make any damned sense. lol the explanation for Trish's turn was weird. So...because Y2J didn't protect her she jumped into bed with the guy that beat her up in the ring and plotted to destroy him? Lita's you could see coming from a mile away if you were following the mess on-line--internally it was inconsistent given the way Kane married her in the first place, but the fans were asking for it anyway. In the long run both turns meant a lot for the characters and enhanced storylines, a shift that would really be to Eve's benefit.
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Post by AztecaDragon on Dec 27, 2011 17:03:45 GMT -5
lol the explanation for Trish's turn was weird. So...because Y2J didn't protect her she jumped into bed with the guy that beat her up in the ring and plotted to destroy him? Lita's you could see coming from a mile away if you were following the mess on-line--internally it was inconsistent given the way Kane married her in the first place, but the fans were asking for it anyway. In the long run both turns meant a lot for the characters and enhanced storylines, a shift that would really be to Eve's benefit. I'm of two minds with how the Lita turn worked even when looking outside the internal "logic." Lita's did work to the extent that...well, slut-shaming works depressingly well. Too well. I never bought Trish as a heel coming off that story even when ignoring the wretched fanfickery of it. I always thought she was a better plucky underdog or the straight woman to someone like Victoria or Mickie...though I think it also helps she was only, 2.5 inches taller than her secret cousin Rosita but... Eh. An Evelyn turn could work, but I hoped it'd be over something that'd make sense like a title shot. Turning heel because you aren't with the right guy is some ol' bullroar.
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Post by norsisclouds on Dec 27, 2011 17:46:12 GMT -5
lol the explanation for Trish's turn was weird. So...because Y2J didn't protect her she jumped into bed with the guy that beat her up in the ring and plotted to destroy him? Lita's you could see coming from a mile away if you were following the mess on-line--internally it was inconsistent given the way Kane married her in the first place, but the fans were asking for it anyway. In the long run both turns meant a lot for the characters and enhanced storylines, a shift that would really be to Eve's benefit. I'm of two minds with how the Lita turn worked even when looking outside the internal "logic." Lita's did work to the extent that...well, slut-shaming works depressingly well. Too well. I never bought Trish as a heel coming off that story even when ignoring the wretched fanfickery of it. I always thought she was a better plucky underdog or the straight woman to someone like Victoria or Mickie...though I think it also helps she was only, 2.5 inches taller than her secret cousin Rosita but... Eh. An Evelyn turn could work, but I hoped it'd be over something that'd make sense like a title shot. Turning heel because you aren't with the right guy is some ol' bullroar. I always preferred Trish as a heel--I really felt she was a better heel than babyface, but that's all down to personal preference. She was one of the few (like Lita) that could show a lot of skin and still get booed. The slut shaming--yea not a good thing--and a big risk if they turn Eve heel this way. Get her in front of the wrong crowd and she'll start getting slut chants, which is just not a part of the PG product and unfortunately, always a risk in pro-wrestling. I remember before Steph's heel turn was revealed and it was implied that Triple H basically date-raped and drugged her into marriage and the crowd *still* booed and chanted slut at her the next night. What?
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Post by Lila on Dec 27, 2011 17:49:27 GMT -5
I remember before Steph's heel turn was revealed and it was implied that Triple H basically date-raped and drugged her into marriage and the crowd *still* booed and chanted slut at her the next night. What? To be honest, Steph seem like she was suppose to be face with that promo after Armaggedeon with her remembering all the awful stuff Vince did to her. Plus HHH was a face because he was feuding with Vince over the title.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Dec 27, 2011 18:05:43 GMT -5
She would be more over if she had Candace Michelle's theme I'm still pulling for her getting Rico's theme.
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Post by norsisclouds on Dec 27, 2011 18:12:51 GMT -5
I remember before Steph's heel turn was revealed and it was implied that Triple H basically date-raped and drugged her into marriage and the crowd *still* booed and chanted slut at her the next night. What? To be honest, Steph seem like she was suppose to be face with that promo after Armaggedeon with her remembering all the awful stuff Vince did to her. Plus HHH was a face because he was feuding with Vince over the title. My point was mainly that people were STILL booing the hell out of her even when she was obviously supposed to be a face that got taken advantage of by a skeezy guy. She got slut chants when it was implied that she was raped. =/
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Post by Lila on Dec 27, 2011 18:14:11 GMT -5
To be honest, Steph seem like she was suppose to be face with that promo after Armaggedeon with her remembering all the awful stuff Vince did to her. Plus HHH was a face because he was feuding with Vince over the title. My point was mainly that people were STILL booing the hell out of her even when she was obviously supposed to be a face that got taken advantage of by a skeezy guy. She got slut chants when it was implied that she was raped. =/ I see what you mean and it also seem like HHH got cheered more for it.
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