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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2011 23:13:53 GMT -5
You say ratings slump, I say you're a BATHTURD! Dalminaze! Lack of compelling character development will do it. This has a lot to do with the rug getting pulled out from under him, but Punk's character is basically a facey shill at this stage. And what's compelling about that? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2011 23:24:19 GMT -5
It's a bit awkward for Punk to play out his character in the midst of some sort of lengthy face title run imo.
Now obviously, he hasn't had a lengthy title run, he just got it...but it has that sort of no frills standard title defense feel to it.
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Post by joebob27 on Dec 27, 2011 23:27:55 GMT -5
It's a bit awkward for Punk to play out his character in the midst of some sort of lengthy face title run imo. Now obviously, he hasn't had a lengthy title run, he just got it...but it has that sort of no frills standard title defense feel to it. Yeah, he's basically been put in a holding pattern waiting out this mystery angle. So has Cena with this Kane thing. Orton shows up and wrestles a random match. It's Raw is Placeholder. |
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 27, 2011 23:29:23 GMT -5
In fairness, this thread isn't really about Punk and his title reign; it's more about amazement that fans will actually tune out based on who's wearing the title. I'm inclined to agree that it's very strange, at least up to a point; this isn't 1988, where Hulk Hogan losing the title meant he'd likely be on TV less and/or that he was leaving to go film a movie and thus wouldn't be seen for awhile. In a case like that, where your big #1 star is off screen and out of storylines for awhile, I could understand it. This is different, though. This is an era where everybody is on TV every damn week, to the point that you're sick of them within six months. Just because Cena, Orton, or whomever isn't holding a big title doesn't mean they won't be heavily featured on the next week's episode. It's also not a wrestling world where the type of champion you have dictates what style of show you put on, or what kinds of matches you emphasize; the show remains pretty much the same regardless of who's holding what belt, at least in terms of tone and style. This doesn't mean a poor title change can't hurt ratings; fans could go "Really? THIS guy?", and take it as a sign that the company isn't doing the right thing, and thus lose confidence in the product. Or maybe they'll be tired of a certain type of guy always being in the main event, and thus get tired of the champ that way. These aren't typical situations, however. So yeah, I'd be curious about it, too, if there are truly fans out there who'll tune out over who's champion, barring a really severe situation. For example, I quit watching years ago after Triple H won the belt back after losing it a week before, because I took it as a sign of whom the company would be pushing, and what kind of show it'd be: one that didn't appeal to me. It wasn't just "Triple H is champion, @#$% this company!". You said it much better than I could have. |
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Post by Henry Mark on Dec 28, 2011 2:17:22 GMT -5
In fairness, this thread isn't really about Punk and his title reign; it's more about amazement that fans will actually tune out based on who's wearing the title. I'm inclined to agree that it's very strange, at least up to a point; this isn't 1988, where Hulk Hogan losing the title meant he'd likely be on TV less and/or that he was leaving to go film a movie and thus wouldn't be seen for awhile. In a case like that, where your big #1 star is off screen and out of storylines for awhile, I could understand it. This is different, though. This is an era where everybody is on TV every damn week, to the point that you're sick of them within six months. Just because Cena, Orton, or whomever isn't holding a big title doesn't mean they won't be heavily featured on the next week's episode. It's also not a wrestling world where the type of champion you have dictates what style of show you put on, or what kinds of matches you emphasize; the show remains pretty much the same regardless of who's holding what belt, at least in terms of tone and style. This doesn't mean a poor title change can't hurt ratings; fans could go "Really? THIS guy?", and take it as a sign that the company isn't doing the right thing, and thus lose confidence in the product. Or maybe they'll be tired of a certain type of guy always being in the main event, and thus get tired of the champ that way. These aren't typical situations, however. So yeah, I'd be curious about it, too, if there are truly fans out there who'll tune out over who's champion, barring a really severe situation. For example, I quit watching years ago after Triple H won the belt back after losing it a week before, because I took it as a sign of whom the company would be pushing, and what kind of show it'd be: one that didn't appeal to me. It wasn't just "Triple H is champion, @#$% this company!". You said it much better than I could have. Yeah, thank you, since clearly the first two people didn't even bother to read or comprehend what I was saying. I think saintpat probably gave the best possible explanation, that people don't necessarily dislike him as champion, they just dislike him and change the channel when he's on the television, and he just happens to be champion. Now as to why someone would dislike him would be a whole different story, but if that is the issue, it would make sense for WWE not wanting him as champ since he would be featured more often. I get some people here muting the audio due to Cole annoying them because they're still watching the product, they just don't want to hear him. I guess changing the channel when Punk is on is the equivalent to that. Maybe I took "slumping ratings" to mean the show as a whole and didn't focus on his segments possibly being lower than the rest of the show. |
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on Dec 28, 2011 2:52:22 GMT -5
Yeah, it's one of those nuggets of fan knowledge that has a very tangential basis without any pure evidence, like "wrestling is just a cyclical business, there's another boom right around the corner!"
The ratings aren't dictated by the person who's carrying around the title belt. They ARE dictated by the storylines being devised for that person. I think Punk is still the most compelling character WWE has right now, but they're not giving him many interesting things to do nor anybody to feud with.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Dec 28, 2011 3:29:13 GMT -5
Yeah, it's one of those nuggets of fan knowledge that has a very tangential basis without any pure evidence, like "wrestling is just a cyclical business, there's another boom right around the corner!" The ratings aren't dictated by the person who's carrying around the title belt. They ARE dictated by the storylines being devised for that person. I think Punk is still the most compelling character WWE has right now, but they're not giving him many interesting things to do nor anybody to feud with. Agreed, and hopefully that all changes on Monday. |
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Dec 28, 2011 3:47:11 GMT -5
People complain about Cena not being serious, well Punk hasn't gotten serious since about October and he's gotten annoying lately. I hate that I enjoyed John Laurinitis in the opening last night more than Punk because Punk's doing the same stuff that Cena did, just without the poop jokes. And I don't hate Cena and Punk was my favorite wrestler, but he needs to go back to being a heel ASAP and maybe then he'll be taken seriously as champion.
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Post by memphis25 on Dec 28, 2011 4:20:24 GMT -5
Punk better hope that Jericho [if its indeed him] and the end of the NFL season can help him turn his numbers around, because the last two weeks Meltzer used the term "almost impossible" to describe how poor his matches tanked in the ratings both weeks.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2011 4:24:17 GMT -5
I really disagree with this idea that no one sees Miz or del Rio or whatever as being on Punk's level therefore that's why the ratings are going down. Punk's not exactly been a top guy for long, and last I checked Miz and del Rio weren't sinking the ratings when they were going up against Cena or Edge or whoever.
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Post by joebob27 on Dec 28, 2011 4:27:41 GMT -5
I really disagree with this idea that no one sees Miz or del Rio or whatever as being on Punk's level therefore that's why the ratings are going down. Punk's not exactly been a top guy for long, and last I checked Miz and del Rio weren't sinking the ratings when they were going up against Cena or Edge or whoever. Didn't they break up Del Rio's planned title reign because the ratings tanked in his segments? Just saying. Bottom line is nothing was surviving the segments that preceded the ME a couple of weeks ago. If Kane's speech draws some numbers this week, people will have a case... otherwise who gets blamed then? lol. Not that this matters at all in any way shape or form, because I would be stunned if they don't find a way to graft the WWE Championship unto Rock/Cena. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2011 4:34:39 GMT -5
I really disagree with this idea that no one sees Miz or del Rio or whatever as being on Punk's level therefore that's why the ratings are going down. Punk's not exactly been a top guy for long, and last I checked Miz and del Rio weren't sinking the ratings when they were going up against Cena or Edge or whoever. Didn't they break up Del Rio's planned title reign because the ratings tanked in his segments? Just saying. Bottom line is nothing was surviving the segments that preceded the ME a couple of weeks ago. If Kane's speech draws some numbers this week, people will have a case... otherwise who gets blamed then? lol. Not that this matters at all in any way shape or form, because I would be stunned if they don't find a way to graft the WWE Championship unto Rock/Cena. True, del Rio was kind of a bad example. Though really, don't mind if he's seen mistakenly or not as dragging them down because he bores the hell out of me. As for Rock / Cena, I'm all but predicting Jericho to cost Punk the title on Raw and for them to then transition it from Ziggler to Cena ASAP. |
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Post by joebob27 on Dec 28, 2011 4:41:41 GMT -5
Didn't they break up Del Rio's planned title reign because the ratings tanked in his segments? Just saying. Bottom line is nothing was surviving the segments that preceded the ME a couple of weeks ago. If Kane's speech draws some numbers this week, people will have a case... otherwise who gets blamed then? lol. Not that this matters at all in any way shape or form, because I would be stunned if they don't find a way to graft the WWE Championship unto Rock/Cena. True, del Rio was kind of a bad example. Though really, don't mind if he's seen mistakenly or not as dragging them down because he bores the hell out of me. As for Rock / Cena, I'm all but predicting Jericho to cost Punk the title on Raw and for them to then transition it from Ziggler to Cena ASAP. I think the best way to further the Cena tease... or hell, execute it, would be for the ROCK to bring the belt to WM. Remember Cena saying he had Rock's birthday gift and he'd bring it to WM? Well, what better way to further screw with Cena's head would there be for the Rock to wrestle all of two matches before WM, end up with the belt, while Cena failed in his mission, because he had to work every damn day of the year. All the while, the people that hate him love the Rock. Of course this would be risky because too many via satellite segments could turn the crowds on the Rock too.......... but. |
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Dec 28, 2011 4:43:42 GMT -5
It may have something to do with the rise of the DVR/Sky+/whatever recording device people use these days. Usually the champion is featured heavily so if you don't like that person but still want to watch the rest of the show it makes sense to record it and fast-forward the bits you don't want to see (or conversely just watch your favourite). So they still watch but don't count in the ratings. Those do count in the ratings. |
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Post by Summerfest on Dec 28, 2011 5:14:31 GMT -5
Guys, everyone's travelling because it's the end of the damn year, so less people are watching. Of COURSE they're s ratings drop; it's the goddamn holiday season.
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Dec 28, 2011 5:38:41 GMT -5
Guys, everyone's travelling because it's the end of the damn year, so less people are watching. Of COURSE they're s ratings drop; it's the goddamn holiday season. Vince:"...Va...ca..ti...on? Tra..vel? What the bloody hell does that mean? Getting away from work? RIDICULOUS!" |
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Post by crimsonwolf on Dec 28, 2011 16:09:05 GMT -5
Good News Everyone. Or not so good news, depends on how you fill about him. Punk isn't going to being taking a hit because of the ratings. Ryder apparently is.
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Post by . on Dec 28, 2011 16:17:02 GMT -5
Yes he is,The sooner we get back to the following:
WWE Champion:Cena
Heavyweight:Triple H
I.C:Rey Mysterio
U.S:The Miz
Tag:Show+Kane
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Womens:Kelly kelly
and get rid of those nobody indy darlings the sooner we can get back to 6.0+ raitings.
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Dec 28, 2011 17:01:09 GMT -5
Good News Everyone. Or not so good news, depends on how you fill about him. Punk isn't going to being taking a hit because of the ratings. Ryder apparently is. Well it's not like the midcard champ was going to be in the main event every week anyway. |
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Dec 28, 2011 17:17:37 GMT -5
I'd say this is like the Warrior's reign, everyone's hyped for it, waiting for the guy to get his chance, then he has no one to fight, and the big monster comes after the previous champion instead.
Hell the most useful thing WWE could have right now is a piece of paper with faces one side, heels the other, and try to keep the levels about the same, there's noone left for Punk to fight now.
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