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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 21, 2011 14:46:48 GMT -5
In response to the "guys who made others" thread, this got me thinking about times that clearly WWE tries to use one guy to make someone else, but it doesn't work.
The first example that came to mind for me, was WWE trying to use John Cena to "make" Miz, culminating in Miz's WM victory.
Problem is, Cena didn't seem too interested in the feud, and didn't really do much to help the Average Miz look like any more of a threat in the ring than he ever has. (For his part, Miz never really figured out how to adapt to Cena's style and mesh with it, either.)
What are some other examples where WWE intends to make someone, but for whatever reason, the guy whose back WWE wants to make someone on doesn't hold up their end?
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Post by Cronant on Dec 21, 2011 14:50:33 GMT -5
Cena/Miz had the Rock thing looming all over it.
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Post by Jimmy on Dec 21, 2011 14:53:53 GMT -5
The point of the DX-Legacy feud seemed to be to 'make' Rhodes and DiBiase but they had been treated as Orton's job boys for months before that and didn't do anything notable after the feud so it was meaningless.
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Post by Turd Ferguson on Dec 21, 2011 14:54:44 GMT -5
I don't know if Cena was too interested in that, or if they just used the whole spiel as a buildup to the following year's WM and building up a feud with The Rock.
I don't know if Undertaker is immune to this because he's really only feuded with established guys in recent years. When was the last time Taker put someone over who wasn't already over?
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Post by lovingway on Dec 21, 2011 15:00:12 GMT -5
Foley and Orton perhaps?
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 21, 2011 15:12:13 GMT -5
I don't know if Cena was too interested in that, or if they just used the whole spiel as a buildup to the following year's WM and building up a feud with The Rock. I don't know if Undertaker is immune to this because he's really only feuded with established guys in recent years. When was the last time Taker put someone over who wasn't already over? Taker's sort of immune because WWE had never really made it look like they planned to have Taker put over a midcarder/upper-midcarder in the first place. HHH not putting over Booker doesn't really count either, because even though the plan was to make Booker at WM, the backpedaling was mostly Goldberg's fault (and not HHH's), apparently.
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Post by Metalheadbanger Man on Dec 21, 2011 15:13:03 GMT -5
Cena/Nexus, specifically Barrett.
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Post by crimsonwolf on Dec 21, 2011 15:18:44 GMT -5
The most recent example would be Orton and Mark Henry. Winning his feud with Orton made it the first time in his 14+ year career that Henry was a bonafied main eventer. In the past years, Foley made both Orton and Edge. JBL made Cena. Triple H made Batista and Jeff Hardy. Jeff Hardy arguably made CM Punk. Mysterio has consistently put over Alberto Del Rio. Cena/Nexus, specifically Barrett. In the long run Cena did more harm than good. Wade is just now getting over as a heel again. In any of his feuds, Batista never really put over anyone who wasn't already an established act. Of course, he spent most of his Smackdown tenure feuding with Taker, Edge, and Mysterio.
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Post by Turd Ferguson on Dec 21, 2011 15:21:44 GMT -5
I don't know if Cena was too interested in that, or if they just used the whole spiel as a buildup to the following year's WM and building up a feud with The Rock. I don't know if Undertaker is immune to this because he's really only feuded with established guys in recent years. When was the last time Taker put someone over who wasn't already over? Taker's sort of immune because WWE had never really made it look like they planned to have Taker put over a midcarder/upper-midcarder in the first place. HHH not putting over Booker doesn't really count either, because even though the plan was to make Booker at WM, the backpedaling was mostly Goldberg's fault (and not HHH's), apparently. HHH, for all his burying, is usually pretty good about putting people over when he deems them fit. He was a strong advocate for Benoit, loved the idea of having Batista (friend or otherwise) go over him, was willing to put over Cena, and of course, orchestrated the cultivation of Jeff Harvey.
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Post by Texas Tornado on Dec 21, 2011 15:24:19 GMT -5
I would say that Taker failed to 'make' Nathan Jones, but I doubt that Nathan Jones could have possibly been 'made' by anything.
Now that I think about it; Taker being associated with that guy is a weird memory.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Dec 21, 2011 15:29:46 GMT -5
To be fair to Cena, Miz was doomed from the start: He beat Orton for the title, but IIRC, he never actually feuded with Orton. Instead, he went on and feuded with Jerry Lawler, a man who's ship had long sailed. And after a two month feud culminating in Miz never even getting a clean win, he and Cena were both sort of shoehorned into the main event of Wrestlemania in an angle that was less about the title, and more about The Rock. After Wrestlemania, of course, they just kinda handed the title back to Cena at Extreme Rules.
There was never really any space in time FOR Cena to do any real pushing. And their WrestleMania match definitely didn't do either side any favors.
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Post by crimsonwolf on Dec 21, 2011 15:33:49 GMT -5
To be fair to Cena, Miz was doomed from the start: He beat Orton for the title, but IIRC, he never actually feuded with Orton. Instead, he went on and feuded with Jerry Lawler, a man who's ship had long sailed. Miz actually had a match with Orton at TLC and the Royal Rumble.
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Post by Mac on Dec 21, 2011 15:36:43 GMT -5
Austin refused to "make" Jeff Jarrett
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Post by sbia on Dec 21, 2011 15:37:34 GMT -5
HHH didn't "make" Jeff Hardy.
They had a series of matches from late 2007 to 2008 and HHH pinned him every time when it was for the WWE Title.Sure Jeff's rise to the WWE Title started when he won the #1 contender match by beating HHH at Armageddon but when he finally won the WWE Title he pinned Edge.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Dec 21, 2011 15:50:43 GMT -5
The last guy I think Taker put over was Orton to MEer. Granted that Foley had a helping hand. But until he feud with Taker after the Failed ME face push. He got over as a heel and was always against Mers since. He tried to put over Khali. But Khali was just so bad. I mean he did job his first match against him clean and was dominated.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 21, 2011 15:51:56 GMT -5
Kofi Kingston and Randy Orton.
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Post by Metalheadbanger Man on Dec 21, 2011 15:52:59 GMT -5
Edge did Ziggler no favours in their feud at the start of the year.
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Post by Turd Ferguson on Dec 21, 2011 15:56:24 GMT -5
HHH didn't "make" Jeff Hardy. They had a series of matches from late 2007 to 2008 and HHH pinned him every time when it was for the WWE Title.Sure Jeff's rise to the WWE Title started when he won the #1 contender match by beating HHH at Armageddon but when he finally won the WWE Title he pinned Edge. It was storytelling. He couldn't get the best of HHH, and then finally at Armageddon, he did. That was HHH's idea from start to finish.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Dec 21, 2011 16:13:43 GMT -5
Not that I was ever upset about it or anything, but The Rock basically ruined Billy Gunn. Gunn had been through a tremendous run with Road Dogg for the past couple of years, so you would think a singles feud with Rock would have elevated him. Instead it basically ruined him to the point that the only way he was ever truly over again was when they reformed DX in 2000.
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Post by Arrow on Dec 21, 2011 16:13:56 GMT -5
They attempted to use 'Taker to put over Great Khali, even letting him get a clean win over him, but Khali sucks, so that didn't work out. And I believe that they were going to use him to put over Mr. Kennedy, but he got injured. And I also believe that they were going to put over Muhammad Hassan by having him beat 'Taker at the Great American Bash '04, but then that whole mess happened.
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