Cronant
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Post by Cronant on Dec 22, 2011 9:57:54 GMT -5
This show is an anomaly. Orton & Barrett losing 3/4 of a million viewers and Fox/Phoenix gaining just defies logic. Let's also take one thing into account. What bad thing happens when you put Punk, Bryan, and Ryder in the same match? Michael F***ing Cole. Who wants to listen to Cole be Cole? Cole has buried these guys at EVERY opportunity. Fans don't want to be subjected to that. There are other fans that may take Cole at his word that these guys are garbage. Long story short, Michael Cole is a detriment to the product and they don't give a single rat's ass. Cole can get annoying, but I think blaming him for ratings is a bit of a stretch. This is the thing about ratings. The multiple ways people will translate them to either put the blame on certain wrestlers or make excuses for others. Its not an anomaly either. There have always been segments that drew that most people hated, and segments with liked wrestlers that fall. It is what it is. I think if they ran the same people in the same slots next week the results wouldn't be too different.
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Dec 22, 2011 10:05:40 GMT -5
*10 years from now* Cena:Vince can I get a vacation please? Vince:I would love to John but whenever we put someone in your place ratings go down.We can't take chances like that over long periods of time. HHH:I'll take his spot! Cena:Your Quads are made of plastic! HHH:It's silicone! Cena:You can barely walk! Hogan:Never stopped me brother.
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Post by xCompackx on Dec 22, 2011 10:26:49 GMT -5
I still don't believe ratings are a flawless way of showing how much people care about a particular wrestler or match. These ratings boxes aren't in every home are they? How is it guaranteed that everyone with these ratings boxes are fans of wrestling?
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Post by r. on Dec 22, 2011 10:37:20 GMT -5
I knew it. Oh how I knew it. There's a difference between internet/cult over and real over it seems. Now you see why they don't book for the internet? Not at all seeing as how before thiey were champions ratings were in the same range. (added note: I can only assume your not counting punk )
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Dec 22, 2011 14:02:31 GMT -5
I knew it. Oh how I knew it. There's a difference between internet/cult over and real over it seems. Now you see why they don't book for the internet? Not at all seeing as how before thiey were champions ratings were in the same range. (added note: I can only assume your not counting punk ) Wouldn't that mean that it's the WWE brand that draws, and it's not too important who is the current face of the company?
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Dec 22, 2011 14:26:27 GMT -5
So, wait, the main event featuring two very over wrestlers does a terrible 2.67 while a Divas segment featuring Alicia Fox actually gains viewers? That, doesn't make much sense. Yeah, Punk hasn't been "internet over" for a while- as in, he's been over over. The fact that a main event including him, Ryder (someone else who's over over), and the Miz did that bad, is an anomaly. Add to that, Orton/Barrett did just as horribly, and one of the few gaining segments was a Divas match. Those ratings are bizarre, and it's kind of hard to blame anybody when you have ratings like that. They're sort of unprecedented; all their main money people, aside from Cena, actually lost viewers, and the Divas actually gained them. Again, kind of bizarre.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2011 16:03:34 GMT -5
Yeah, Punk hasn't been "internet over" for a while- as in, he's been over over. The fact that a main event including him, Ryder (someone else who's over over), and the Miz did that bad, is an anomaly. It’s not an anomaly though. It's a pattern that's been emerging for months now. In Raw's 19 year history the last few months are the only time ever that the second hour has been dropping. Punk so far, when not on screen with either Cena, HHH or Vince, has drawn horribly. Whether it’s in the 10pm or 11pm slot, his matches with Miz, Alberto and Dolph in recent weeks/months have all done way below average numbers. The 10pm slot usually gains anywhere from 200/400,000 viewers on average. Last weeks tag match with Punk/Orton/Miz/Del Rio actually lost 150,000, which is almost unheard of. Main events/overruns usually gain anything from 400/700,000 on average. Cena/Henry last week for instance gained 750,000 for a 3.27 rating. To go from that to a 59,000 gain and a 14 year low main event rating of 2.67 within the space of a week is concerning. In the grand scheme of things, it shouldn’t really matter though,. Next Monday is boxing day so they’ll be expecting lower ratings anyway and after that the road to Royal Rumble/Wrestlemania begins with the focus shifting to Rock/Cena/HHH/Taker/etc.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Dec 22, 2011 17:06:47 GMT -5
So when the ratings aren't good and guys like Cena are the focus, everyone here says how WWE will blame everything except themselves, but now when it's everyone they love, it's an "anomaly" or it isn't their fault?
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Dec 22, 2011 17:10:50 GMT -5
So when the ratings aren't good and guys like Cena are the focus, everyone here says how WWE will blame everything except themselves, but now when it's everyone they love, it's an "anomaly" or it isn't their fault? That's the thing; even if you want to debate how well Punk draws, it's kind of odd that Orton and Barrett drove away viewers, while a 40-second Divas match (aka, the "piss break") seemingly brought them back. I dunno, seems kind of weird to me.
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Post by Cronant on Dec 22, 2011 17:13:39 GMT -5
Orton's never been good with ratings though. I'm not surprised.
There was one week where an OtungaCutty/Lawler segment gained. It happen. Its not an anomaly, its just how it is.
Its futile to try and explain and put a "why" to it most of the time. Especially when that tends to get really biased.
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Post by worldsstrongestman on Dec 22, 2011 17:19:16 GMT -5
I think Mark Henry and Alicia Fox should get married and become the new Edge and Lita.
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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on Dec 22, 2011 17:22:42 GMT -5
Maybe these ratings prove that we the audience read way too much into them, and should concern ourselves with what WE as individuals find interesting?
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Post by joebob27 on Dec 22, 2011 17:29:06 GMT -5
there's your explanation right there, that was like 30-40 minutes of TV right there. part of the softening of the second hour is... well, they softened the second hour. dunno if anyone is coming back to watch ANYONE after that run. it amazes me how many people on here like to argue their little points without even reading these ratings posts.
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Post by AztecaDragon on Dec 22, 2011 17:29:29 GMT -5
Maybe these ratings prove that we the audience read way too much into them, and should concern ourselves with what WE as individuals find interesting? I've been thinking that for the past decade.
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Post by joebob27 on Dec 22, 2011 17:36:22 GMT -5
the shows have a pattern now and the 10:10 to 10:45 is normally a dead zone of suck. you can't roll out the Usos against Primo and Co. and expect people to watch.
I guess they're gonna have to spoil Jericho after the 9PM segment next week. lol
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Post by Metalheadbanger Man on Dec 22, 2011 17:38:16 GMT -5
Team Smarkgasm isn't a draw!
Triple H as WWE Champion, Orton as World Heavyweight Champ and Kevin Nash as US Champ. That'll steady the ship.
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Post by andrewgilkison on Dec 22, 2011 18:08:21 GMT -5
Just putting Championships on Punk/Bryan/Ryder and having them wrestle a six man tag against poorly booked chicken shit heels isn't going to pop a big rating, so that isn't surprising.
I think if the storylines were better, the ratings would be better. What storyline is Punk really involved in right now that grabs you by the balls and makes you watch? What heated feud is he really involved in that will make viewers tune in every week in droves? And how could Daniel Bryan winning the World Heavyweight Championship pop a big rating and make Bryan a draw when up until he won the belt, he was booked like a bitch and the focus was on Henry/Show? That's the problem with the MITB concent in general when the guy who cashes in isn't booked like a star BEFORE he cashes it in, the way Edge was when he was the first MITB winner, or RVD, when his MITB win was used as a storyline to promote the second ECW reunion PPV, thus making RVD look like a big deal.
It's great that we have new guys in the main event picture, but we also need them in the writing room too.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Dec 22, 2011 18:31:57 GMT -5
From the looks of things, CM Punk is over in the same way Randy Orton is over; people who would already be watching and following WWE love him and buy his shirts, but he doesn't (yet) have that extra spark to draw in the interest of casual fans who'd otherwise be on the fence.
Will that change in time? Quite possibly. No one becomes a huge star overnight. But for now, it's looking like WWE's going to have to weather a storm if they want to build their shows around him.
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Post by r. on Dec 23, 2011 0:18:57 GMT -5
Not at all seeing as how before thiey were champions ratings were in the same range. (added note: I can only assume your not counting punk ) Wouldn't that mean that it's the WWE brand that draws, and it's not too important who is the current face of the company? Actualy at this point yes,Sure you have your household names that occasionally spike raitings breifly but the wwe was been in such a long quagmire sometimes I think all it has going is it's namesake.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Dec 23, 2011 0:28:27 GMT -5
there's your explanation right there, that was like 30-40 minutes of TV right there. part of the softening of the second hour is... well, they softened the second hour. dunno if anyone is coming back to watch ANYONE after that run. it amazes me how many people on here like to argue their little points without even reading these ratings posts. Well what do you expect when the WWE constantly beats it into your head that anything not involving the main event isn't important or worth carrying about? What's the point of watching when there's a ninety-five percent chance that it will mean absolutely nothing when all's said and done?
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