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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 4, 2011 21:55:33 GMT -5
Nah, for the simple fact that they've never had a hand in performing at all, or in the production of the shows.
Even an in name only HoF honorific should go to people that have actually had a hand in creating wrestling.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Dec 4, 2011 23:27:54 GMT -5
Dave Meltzer in the Hall of Fame? Well, congratulations, you found the one induction that would be more awkward then Chris Benoit.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Dec 5, 2011 0:07:54 GMT -5
Considering Meltzer and Vince did apparently get along at one point I guess it's not out of the realm of possibility. The Hall of Fame is basically decided based on whoever Vince decides he likes that day anyway and wants to induct. The guy does change his mind constantly too so maybe Dave will get lucky and he'll start having fond memories of the guy when nomination time comes.
That said I do not see this happening.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2011 0:47:27 GMT -5
I think people like Apter and Meltzer have made more important contributions to the general world of wrestling than Drew Carey.
If they felt one day it would be meaningful to fans to add either of these names, they'd go in. I could see Meltzer being inducted if/when the Observer does its last issue.
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Post by Lardlad on Dec 5, 2011 12:25:53 GMT -5
Surely Meltzer has been asked this question before on his Observer radio show with Bryan Alvarez, no?
If so does anyone remember what Meltzer said about the idea?
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Post by Sin Cara Tres on Dec 5, 2011 12:34:10 GMT -5
Really? Maybe Meltzer helped like ROH or something but in no way helped WWE gain popularity. Both helped publicise the business and bring it to a broader audience. Apter mags were the only wrestling magazines on sale in my (British) hometown's shops when I was growing up. Meltzer helped smarten up a lot of the fans, and many wrestlers (including Bret Hart) give great stock to the importance of dirstheet ratings. I'm more a fan of Meltzer and Apter, but I think they have both done a hell of a lot for wrestling. The Observer only appeals to people who are already wrestling fans. "Smarten up"..well..that's arguable.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2011 13:23:10 GMT -5
Both helped publicise the business and bring it to a broader audience. Apter mags were the only wrestling magazines on sale in my (British) hometown's shops when I was growing up. Meltzer helped smarten up a lot of the fans, and many wrestlers (including Bret Hart) give great stock to the importance of dirstheet ratings. I'm more a fan of Meltzer and Apter, but I think they have both done a hell of a lot for wrestling. The Observer only appeals to people who are already wrestling fans. "Smarten up"..well..that's arguable. One could say that things that appeal to existing wrestling fans are just as important as things that bring in new fans. After all, people lose interest in things eventually, having things that keep their interest for that much longer keep them fans longer.
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Post by preferable on Dec 5, 2011 13:36:54 GMT -5
Neither has any had any impact on wrestlings popularity.
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Post by ZERO on Dec 5, 2011 13:38:16 GMT -5
Surely Meltzer has been asked this question before on his Observer radio show with Bryan Alvarez, no? If so does anyone remember what Meltzer said about the idea? He probably made some sarcastic comment, brushed it off and started babbling about some low-level MMA guy no one else cares about. That was pretty much the vibe I got from his shows just before I cancelled my subscription last month. So glad I did that. I doubt either guy would get in though.
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Post by avenger on Dec 5, 2011 14:40:21 GMT -5
They are just fans reporting on the sport they love. Therefore they have had zero impact in my view on the success of the industry, and do not deserve the recognition of the Hall of Fame in my view. Disagree. They've not had any direct impact, but indirect? I'll give you an example. Mick Foley said in his book that WCW only signed him because of the write-ups and continual great reviews in the Observer. WCW let him run with the Cactus Jack gimmick, and established him as a top wrestler (which would never have happened had he subsequently joined the WWF at that time - he'd have been hugely toned down, or even turned into a comedy act like the Sheepherders were). Without his run in WCW (and subsequently ECW - a promotion Meltzer reported on from it's earliest days and essentially promoted for free with constant great reviews), he'd never have been picked up by the WWF and packaged as Mankind, which was one of the two gimmicks the WWF used to test drive what would become the Attitude era (which won the Monday Night ratings war basically saved the WWF from going out of business). Most notably with the 'This Is Your Life Segment' starring Mick Foley, which is the second highest rated wrestling segment in TV history (behind a Battle Royal featuring Hogan and Andre on SNME in 1980s) Meltzer in the last few years has improved quite a bit in regards to his MMA articles. Meltzer has improved "quite a bit" in the last few years? You clearly never read the issues round the time of the Steroid trial. Meltzer is an excellent journalist, easily one of the top ten sports journalists in the world. But because of the nature of the Observer, he'd never get in the WWE HOF as long as he ran it. Apter on the other hand could well go in one day, given the kayfabe nature of the mags when he ran them,
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Post by Kash Flagg on Dec 5, 2011 14:54:02 GMT -5
Anyone who claims the Apter mags contributed nothing to wrestling's popularity is wrong. Those magazines (and others) were the only way some of us could find out about other promotions that we couldn't see on TV.
I could see Apter go in one day. Meltzer, no.
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Post by Sin Cara Tres on Dec 5, 2011 15:46:06 GMT -5
The Observer only appeals to people who are already wrestling fans. "Smarten up"..well..that's arguable. One could say that things that appeal to existing wrestling fans are just as important as things that bring in new fans. After all, people lose interest in things eventually, having things that keep their interest for that much longer keep them fans longer. That's funny, because the Observer site seems determined to drive people from WWE and into Chikara or something.
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Post by The Heenan Family on Dec 5, 2011 16:19:16 GMT -5
How would an induction video even go for Meltzer? Is the voice over going to highlight his views on Gorilla Monsoon being one of the worst commentators of all time? How about his belief that the Fabulous Moolah was a cancer on wrestling? It's just not going to happen nor should it.
Inducting Apter would also be an endorsement to all wrestling publications. Since they're usually hit and miss, I don't think it's in WWE's best interest to do this.
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Post by ZERO on Dec 5, 2011 17:45:11 GMT -5
One could say that things that appeal to existing wrestling fans are just as important as things that bring in new fans. After all, people lose interest in things eventually, having things that keep their interest for that much longer keep them fans longer. That's funny, because the Observer site seems determined to drive people from WWE and into Chikara or something. More like towards UFC. Seriously, the MMA bias is stifling.
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