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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2012 9:10:47 GMT -5
Did the ICP do The Oddities theme? They were also honorary members of the Oddities. I'm not a real fan of them, myself.
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Post by The OP on Jun 28, 2012 9:17:44 GMT -5
Ok, I'm hardly an ICP fan, but as a songwriter myself, f*** anybody who thinks it's "inappropriate" to write a song about something.
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Jun 28, 2012 9:36:13 GMT -5
Ok, I'm hardly an ICP fan, but as a songwriter myself, f*** anybody who thinks it's "inappropriate" to write a song about something. So you'd be fine with a song about how 9/11 was pretty cool & the holocaust was neat?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2012 10:02:00 GMT -5
Ok, I'm hardly an ICP fan, but as a songwriter myself, f*** anybody who thinks it's "inappropriate" to write a song about something.
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Post by The Ichi on Jun 28, 2012 10:03:05 GMT -5
Man judging from the way this forum talks about him. Benoit is responsible for every bad thing in wrestling ever. Tully Blanchard accident? Benoit put down a spike strip as a "prank.' Kurt Angle's broken neck? Benoit once gave him a back rub in the locker room.Ready 2 Rumble? Benoit wrote the script. I mean what Benoit did is bad and he's a pretty terrible guy but he's not emperor palpatine blowing up whole inhabited planets. Um, I've never really seen anyone blame Benoit for anything other than murdering his own wife and 7 year old son, but that's not exactly a small thing that you just shrug off there. As for the subject matter...I dunno. It seems weird that it would happen now, where we've finally (albiet not entirely) moved on from the whole ordeal. It almost seems outdated now. Add to that that ICP are doing this and it's almost "trainwreck that I must see" status. Almost.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2012 10:08:04 GMT -5
What is the Tully Blanchard accident? How have I never heard of this?
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Post by JDviant on Jun 28, 2012 10:15:56 GMT -5
I sort of enjoy people constantly saying ICP hasn't been relevant in ages, but then mentioning miracles, which made them pretty relevant just two years ago while at the same time people made fun of them for not being relevant for ages. At some point, they have to be relevant since people keep discussing them. So you'd be fine with a song about how 9/11 was pretty cool & the holocaust was neat? I wouldn't like it, but I'm not going to challenge a person's right to express themselves if it isn't in anyway illegal.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jun 28, 2012 10:23:18 GMT -5
I sort of enjoy people constantly saying ICP hasn't been relevant in ages, but then mentioning miracles, which made them pretty relevant just two years ago while at the same time people made fun of them for not being relevant for ages. At some point, they have to be relevant since people keep discussing them. So you'd be fine with a song about how 9/11 was pretty cool & the holocaust was neat? I wouldn't like it, but I'm not going to challenge a person's right to express themselves if it isn't in anyway illegal. Being the butt of a giant joke =/= Relevance.
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Jun 28, 2012 10:28:33 GMT -5
Ok, I'm hardly an ICP fan, but as a songwriter myself, f*** anybody who thinks it's "inappropriate" to write a song about something. As a writer(but not a song writer) I also think you should be able to write about anything. I have an issue with titling the song "Chris Benoit" because then it just looks like a marketing attempt. If it was a song about Benoit's insanity, they mentioned in interviews it was about him but never actually used his name in the damn song it would be different to me. I don't know, maybe I'm too sensitive, but it just feels weird to bring a real life killer into a song. It sort of feels like exploiting a tragedy.
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Post by The OP on Jun 28, 2012 10:39:23 GMT -5
Ok, I'm hardly an ICP fan, but as a songwriter myself, f*** anybody who thinks it's "inappropriate" to write a song about something. So you'd be fine with a song about how 9/11 was pretty cool & the holocaust was neat? I've actually heard similar things. From my experience, those kinds of songs are usually crude attempts at "shock rock". It's not something I'm going to spend my money on, but I can't say it really bothers me. Ok, I'm hardly an ICP fan, but as a songwriter myself, f*** anybody who thinks it's "inappropriate" to write a song about something. As a writer(but not a song writer) I also think you should be able to write about anything. I have an issue with titling the song "Chris Benoit" because then it just looks like a marketing attempt. If it was a song about Benoit's insanity, they mentioned in interviews it was about him but never actually used his name in the damn song it would be different to me. I don't know, maybe I'm too sensitive, but it just feels weird to bring a real life killer into a song. It sort of feels like exploiting a tragedy. You've every right to find it distasteful, I just take issue with deeming certain subjects wholly inappropriate. That line of thinking tends to carry with it an implication that there should be some sort of rule against it, and I couldn't condone such a thing.
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Post by Hawk Hart on Jun 28, 2012 10:59:01 GMT -5
I haven't been following ICP lately. So I guess they've ditched their phony Christian image and went back to being purposely offensive? That's cool, I guess. Just another song I'll never listen to because their "music" is absolute garbage. They never really had that. They made one song that mentioned God and everyone jumped on that train. I don't blame you for not listening to ICP, but it's really silly to act like you know things about a band you don't even listen to. And you know this song will be tasteless and offensive before it's even out. You don't have to be a fan of something to know things about it. As a matter of fact, knowing stuff about things is kinda what allows us to form opinions. I mean, I'm not a Twilight fan but I know about it because that means my opinion is informed. You can't get mad at people for making snap judgments on something like this since te ICP and Benoit are two of the more polarizing issues on the board. That being said, the ICP f***ing suck. I've listened to their music and it's the musical/lyrical equivalent of a dog shit cake covered in a garbage juice glaze. They're not clever, they're not skilled, they're not talented, they're two f***wits in clown make-up trying to offended people in a sad attempt to hold on some of that early 2000s relavency. I will say I like JCW and both guys seem like okay dudes IRL are hearing them on Hoaward Stern but I'd rather let a rabid possum rape my ear canals than listen to their attempts at music.
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Post by chazraps on Jun 28, 2012 11:07:12 GMT -5
I sort of enjoy people constantly saying ICP hasn't been relevant in ages, but then mentioning miracles, which made them pretty relevant just two years ago while at the same time people made fun of them for not being relevant for ages. At some point, they have to be relevant since people keep discussing them. Being the butt of a giant joke =/= Relevance. Well, in this case, it actually does. I think it's frankly bizarre this board's obsession with "relevancy" over the past year, I didn't realize how "on the pulse of pop culture" everyone is. I'm not a Juggalo or a fan of most of ICP's output, but I do have an interest in Juggalo culture akin to Jane Goodall and the apes and am a music journalist/archivist/historian by trade. ICP have maintained a loyal fanbase for over two decades. It's substantial in numbers, and they have done consistent big business. It's similar to Phish, or Jimmy Buffet's "Parrotheads" or Grateful Dead's "Deadheads" etc. They don't even aim for crossover success, so evaluating them in such terms isn't an accurate way to gauge their presence. But even factoring that in, the group is as relevant as they've been since the late-90s. Since their resurgence, they've had the #4 album on the Billboard charts, a new distribution deal through a Universal subsidiary, a "Nightline" feature, a single with Jack White, an SNL parody, the biggest viral video of its year, and Juggalo-themed episodes of some of the biggest comedies on Cable. That's pretty relavent. That said, while I agree that no topic should be taboo in terms of songwriting, as context and quality matters the most, and I will hold off judgment until I can actually hear/see the song/video, the prospect of both, does make me a touch uneasy in terms of not just the final product, but how this will affect their relationships in the wrestling business where they're among the most beloved and respected bookers in the world. This is the story that broke it: www.freep.com/article/20120625/ENT04/120625074/Insane-Clown-Posse-Chris-Benoit-Violent-J-Shaggy-2-Dope-JuggalosFor Insane Clown Posse, gearing up for a high-profile summer meant burrowing into the remains of an abandoned steel mill Monday afternoon. With dust kicking up and bright lights piercing the dark at Trenton’s cavernous old McLouth Steel plant, the Detroit rap duo gathered with a film crew and about 100 fan extras for day two of shooting on the group’s video for the new track “Chris Benoit.” Moving to a director’s instructions, fans in black hoodies and silver horror masks surged toward a wrestling ring housing ICP’s Violent J and Shaggy 2 Dope. The face-painted pair mimed their lyrics as the song played overhead at double speed, to achieve a slow-motion effect in the video’s final rendering. Among the fans who had responded to an open casting call was C.J. Lyons, 35, of Bellevue, Ohio. Eager to ensure a spot, he’d arrived a day early, slept overnight on the site, and spent Monday afternoon patiently awaiting the first action. "We're rushing the wrestling ring," he said. "We've been waiting all day to do that." All was in the name of “Chris Benoit,” lead single from ICP’s upcoming “Mighty Death Pop” album, due Aug. 14. The song is based on the mental breakdown of professional wrestler Chris Benoit, who in 2007 notoriously murdered his wife and son before hanging himself. “It’s about that loss of sanity,” Violent J said during a break in the shoot. “It’s about the snapping, that moment of panic.” Shooting began Sunday with the French crew responsible for Skrillex’s massive 2011 hit video, “First Of The Year (Equinox),” which had caught Violent J’s eye. “Chris Benoit” is the first of three video projects already underway as ICP prepares for “Mighty Death Pop,” and the clip is expected to debut on the web by mid-July. ICP hopes to eventually include the videos in a boxed set for “Mighty Death Pop,” which will initially be released in three separate configurations. “Chris Benoit” finds ICP ceding creative control for the first time in its two-decade-plus career. The duo had a simple wish list going into the shoot: minimal wrestling scenes, but plenty of slow-motion, blur and artsy abstraction “like an old-school Nirvana video,” as Violent J said Monday. “I told them, ‘I’m not going to ride you guys on this. I’m going to give you your space and leave you alone to do it.’” Three years in the making, “Mighty Death Pop” will be released during ICP’s 13th Gathering of the Juggalos fan festival in rural Illinois. It also arrives as J and Shaggy sense a growing mainstream respect that long eluded the group. “We’re not used to it, but it feels good,” said Shaggy. That unique backdrop makes the new record ICP’s “most anticipated yet,” said Violent J. “There are so many articles out there on us now, and it’s not about dissing us,” he said. “They’re actually treating us like real musicians. It’s mind-blowing. And I feel like this album is the response to that.”
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Post by Beast Army Ass on Jun 28, 2012 11:27:32 GMT -5
To me it just smacks of an attention grab, which is pretty common in music. Immediately springing to mind is an old Mushroomhead song called Bwomp, which repeatedly features the lyric "If it was up to me I'd free Charles Manson." Listening to the rest of the song, it's just in there to...be in there. To me they can say the song's about a guy snapping, but when you title the song Chris Benoit, it makes it completely obvious to me they just want attention. As someone stated, if it was really about a guy snapping, why mention him by name? Maybe mention after the fact that he was the "inspiration" behind it? By making it as explicit as possible, it just ends up looking silly.
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Post by zeez on Jun 28, 2012 11:34:08 GMT -5
1) ICP are huge wrestling fans and likely wouldn't do anything to bring harm to the business or its performers. 2) Artists have the right to write songs about whatever they want whether you agree with it or not (we don't know what the lyrics to the song even are yet). 3) I don't like ICP and I couldn't care less what they choose to do. It's not worth the effort to be pissed.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Jun 28, 2012 12:30:06 GMT -5
Ok, I'm hardly an ICP fan, but as a songwriter myself, f*** anybody who thinks it's "inappropriate" to write a song about something. So you'd be fine with a song about how 9/11 was pretty cool & the holocaust was neat? hey, it worked for Anal c*** personally I believe we should be able to express ourselves however we want. at the same time, that means we're also open to criticism from anyone.
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Post by Dolly Hard-On on Jun 28, 2012 12:40:26 GMT -5
To me, it's distasteful because it's a publicity stunt that won't work. Nobody cares about ICP, and the album will fail. So what's the point?
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Post by pepsitwist on Jun 28, 2012 12:42:32 GMT -5
Awful band in attention seeking shocker. The most entertaining thing they did was 'Miracles' - for all the hilarious memes.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Jun 28, 2012 12:54:02 GMT -5
This gets The Picard Salute.
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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on Jun 28, 2012 13:38:55 GMT -5
Maybe it'll be like those Lil B songs where he claims to look like (or be) a random celebrity, while alluding to random features they share.. bitch I'm chris benoit, WOOP bitch I'm chris benoit, WOOP bitch I'm chris benoit, WOOP bitch I'm chris benoit, SWAG diving headbutt *woop* straight from the top *woop* crippler crossface *woop* bitch I'm chris benoit *swag* sidenote: this post will make absolute no sense to those unfamiliar with the based god...which is probably 99.9% of you lol finally a chance to post this
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Jun 28, 2012 13:52:29 GMT -5
Eh, I'll wait until after I hear it to talk s***.
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