tms
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Post by tms on Jul 21, 2012 22:17:55 GMT -5
There are way more reasons why WWE's drawing was bottoming out than Triple H being champion. You're absolutely right. #1 would be his token 20-minute-plus promos that put the audience to sleep at the beginning of seemingly every RAW.
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Post by Manute Bol on Jul 21, 2012 22:40:19 GMT -5
Austin, Rock, and VINCE were the top dogs (then Taker, Foley, Hunter) Took the words right out of my mouth. The three men who were most crucial to the Attitude Era were absolutely Austin, Rock and Vince. No debate about it. I'd rank Foley 4th, and then it's a toss up between Triple H and Taker. Foley was huge at this point, no way was Hunter more over or popular than him. Everyone knew Foley and knew of his hardcore stunts - the guy got three characters over at once! I think the WWE has done a good job at making Hunter seem much more important than he actually was. Like the Nitro invasion they pretend was the turning point of the Monday Night Wars. It was an awesome segment, but hardly the revolutionary television the WWE wants us to think it was. Yeah he was the leader of DX, but I'm not sure he was any more crucial to the Attitude Era than The Hardyz, Dudleyz, and Edge & Christian.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Jul 22, 2012 0:02:27 GMT -5
Yeah Trips was important in the Attitude era, but mainly as a member of DX. Trips, Road Dogg, Billy Gunn, X-pac and Chyna were a package deal and when he broke from them he fell down in drawing and merch sales drastically. NAO stuff actually sold better than HHH solo stuff for quite awhile. Only Chyna probably had less charisma then him but she replaced that with that scary she-beast presence. Trips was the big bad ass of the group but his mic work was always overshadowed by Roadie.
To say Taker didn't matter in the Attitude era is even more revisionistic though. Taker was the consistent adversary to Austin often acting as McMahon's proxy. If it was just Austin beating up McMahon that would have gotten old real fast. McMahon needed champions to threaten Austins dominance and those men were Foley and Taker and after the break up of the NoD the Rock.
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on Jul 22, 2012 0:25:02 GMT -5
Yeah, Triple H didn't "matter" as a solo guy until he kayfabe married Stephanie and retired Foley. Even then, he was only as strong as his enemies, and in 2000 he had a bounty of them in Foley, Rock, Jericho, Angle, and then Austin.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2012 1:01:10 GMT -5
IMO, spinning the Wrestlemania rematch with the Undertaker into Triple H not wanting to end the Streak for business reasons and Undertaker becoming obsessed with beating Triple H because of how close he came to beating the Streak.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 22, 2012 1:09:21 GMT -5
Being handed the WHC
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Post by juvijuiceisloose on Jul 22, 2012 1:11:20 GMT -5
Yeah Trips was important in the Attitude era, but mainly as a member of DX. Trips, Road Dogg, Billy Gunn, X-pac and Chyna were a package deal and when he broke from them he fell down in drawing and merch sales drastically. NAO stuff actually sold better than HHH solo stuff for quite awhile. Only Chyna probably had less charisma then him but she replaced that with that scary she-beast presence. Trips was the big bad ass of the group but his mic work was always overshadowed by Roadie. I'd probably say during the whole DX Army deal in 1998, The New Age Outlaws were more over than Triple H was. You can credit Road Dogg's mic skills and awesome intro. During Triple H's feud with the Rock, The Rock was booed much more than Triple H was cheered.
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Jimmy
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Post by Jimmy on Jul 22, 2012 1:15:49 GMT -5
"Am I f***ing going over?"
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 22, 2012 1:47:36 GMT -5
"King of kings" is a pretty strong assertion
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Post by jimmyjames on Jul 22, 2012 1:48:27 GMT -5
Yeah Trips was important in the Attitude era, but mainly as a member of DX. Trips, Road Dogg, Billy Gunn, X-pac and Chyna were a package deal and when he broke from them he fell down in drawing and merch sales drastically. NAO stuff actually sold better than HHH solo stuff for quite awhile. Only Chyna probably had less charisma then him but she replaced that with that scary she-beast presence. Trips was the big bad ass of the group but his mic work was always overshadowed by Roadie. I'd probably say during the whole DX Army deal in 1998, The New Age Outlaws were more over than Triple H was. You can credit Road Dogg's mic skills and awesome intro. During Triple H's feud with the Rock, The Rock was booed much more than Triple H was cheered. Agree, completely about the New Age Outlaws. People have forgotten, either from the amount of time they've been gone from WWE, the stupid Voodoo Kin Mafia bit in TNA, or WWE's attempt to erase them completely from the record, and acting as if the only DX incarnation was the original, HHH and HBK version, but they were arguably the biggest parts of DX, not to mention them how over they where as a tag team.
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Post by Supercheese on Jul 22, 2012 6:51:47 GMT -5
Are we talking about the same Attitude era where Mick Foley was main eventing and HHH was wrestling Chyna and Shane? Moreover, "New York Time's Number 1 Bestseller". Those words alone eclipse anything HHH has ever done on the mainstream stage. What's the point of talking about what Foley has done outside the ring to counter the claims about Triple H inside the ring? Triple H was a terrific wrestler. He has received two of the loudest pops I have ever heard whilst following wrestling. The night the Power Trip formed and the night he returned from his quad injury. Also for someone who was busy fighting Shane and Chyna who was in the ring celebrating with Foley after Foley won his first WWE title? Foley's books came once his career was finished and just because some writes a good book it doesn't automatically make him famous.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jul 22, 2012 7:39:26 GMT -5
"Am I f***ing going over?" An unverified backstage story is your choice?
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Post by Cronant on Jul 22, 2012 7:40:58 GMT -5
Yeah he was the leader of DX, but I'm not sure he was any more crucial to the Attitude Era than The Hardyz, Dudleyz, and Edge & Christian. Now we're getting ridiculous. We're talking about a guy who spent around a year, one of WWE's most successful years ever, as THE top heel.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jul 22, 2012 7:45:23 GMT -5
Thats bs. Rock, Austin, and HHH were the "Big 3" of 2000-2002. HHH was every bit as important as the Rock in 2000 while Austin was out. Thats not a WWE made thing either, that was a widely held belief, and the Triple Threat match everyone wanted to see. The difference is, the first two left and were glorified, while Trips stuck around and had his worst stretch ever right after. so I guess we all just imagines Undertaker, Mick Foley, Chris Jericho, Kurt Angle and he who must never be named, then.
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Cronant
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Post by Cronant on Jul 22, 2012 7:46:31 GMT -5
Where did I say they weren't important?
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Post by segaz on Jul 22, 2012 8:03:51 GMT -5
After seeing the first post, I was hoping this would turn into a photoshop thread, with pics like "Did you know? HHH was the first man on the moon?" and a super-imposed pic of his head on an astronaut, for example.
I think the main reason behind WWE doing that picture is to illustrate that HHH's Pedigree is much more devastating than any other, in the minds of the casual fan. So if they see it used elsewhere, they'll say "Hey, that's only a double underhook face buster from the second rope. Guy should kick out at 2 count. That's no PEDIGREE, which legit knocks people unconcious. No one can execute it like HHH, so they had to make a name for it, because it's simply in a higher league than the rest."
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Post by Mac on Jul 22, 2012 8:23:57 GMT -5
It wasn't the worst thing in the world but it seemed for a strech whenever he had a mic spot with a face during his reign of terror the face seemed to compliment his skill as much as they tried to run him down.
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Jimmy
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Post by Jimmy on Jul 22, 2012 10:29:17 GMT -5
"Am I f***ing going over?" An unverified backstage story is your choice? I want to believe.
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Post by mysterydriver on Jul 22, 2012 10:57:13 GMT -5
Hey, come on guys. It's Triple H. He could wrestle a broom and it'd be better than any match from the midcard. Just ask him from the storyline almost seemingly put together to make everyone else the heel and him the ultimate fan loving face.
Think back. He's always been great. Like that time he pedigree'd London and Kendrick for helping him because they briefly thought they could make him Austin like.
Oh yeah, always the best promo guy. I mean, sure he had 20 minutes a week for like three years to craft impressive promos. I mean, it's not like must people don't get to speak except once in a blue moon. They must not be good at it. Not as good at Triple H, you know.
And don't forget his amazing role in Blade 3! I mean, they edited commercials to make it seem like he was the main bad guy...but it's almost like he was...to Ryan Reynolds...when Parker Posey wasn't around.
He's the Game. The King of Kings. The Cerebral Assassin. Sure, the name Triple H is in itself a nickname, but he deserves as many lauding titles as possible. He's just that d*** good. Oh wait, there's the catchphrase. Grand creative stuff there.
Just don't forget, he's 'bi' a lot of things, but lingual isn't one of them.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jul 22, 2012 10:57:48 GMT -5
Thats bs. Rock, Austin, and HHH were the "Big 3" of 2000-2002. HHH was every bit as important as the Rock in 2000 while Austin was out. Thats not a WWE made thing either, that was a widely held belief, and the Triple Threat match everyone wanted to see. The difference is, the first two left and were glorified, while Trips stuck around and had his worst stretch ever right after. so I guess we all just imagines Undertaker, Mick Foley, Chris Jericho, Kurt Angle and he who must never be named, then. Undertaker was injured for a good portion of 1999-2000 and didn't do much in 2000, but I'd still say he's #5 in the Attitude Era Foley's #4 to me. He was big but also had a lot of times when he really wasn't that important (like feuding with Val Venis and Al Snow in 1999 and being gone for a good stretch in 1999) not to mention retiring a year before the Attitude Era ended. Jericho? Jericho was never even a World Champion, nor did he main event a single pay-per-view during the Attitude Era. Kurt Angle was a big name for not even a year during this time. There's no way he's as high as the other guys. Triple H was there for the whole era and was important for pretty much the entire time. He was the 2nd top heel outside of McMahon during this time and was easily one of the most hated guys. Some people REALLY like to make it seem like no one liked Triple H, but the fact of the matter is that Triple H on the internet vs Triple H to the casual audience is VASTLY different.
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