543Y2J
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Post by 543Y2J on Jul 21, 2012 17:28:18 GMT -5
^ Ultimate Warrior was horrible in the ring, Hogan was very limited. And they both got very far in the business. Rock was better than either of them, but he's not as good as Bret Hart or even Steve Austin (in his prime). Very true on both those examples, I just wanted to find a way of saying how much people do underrate the guy in ring but as you said it obviously doesn't apply to everyone
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Post by Djm Doesn't Find You Funny on Jul 21, 2012 17:30:38 GMT -5
Slow news cycle lately.
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Post by Lila on Jul 21, 2012 17:31:28 GMT -5
It's a typo dammit, I make alot of 'em I'm messing with ya. It just made me laugh harder than it should have because I wasn't expecting it and was drinking water. On to the topic, I can't get mad at Kenny for what his opinions are because that's what they are.
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Post by Cronant on Jul 21, 2012 17:32:54 GMT -5
I was hoping he was going to say something about Cena's divorce or tell about another diva he slept with.
Disappoint.
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Post by cabbageboy on Jul 21, 2012 17:45:24 GMT -5
Thing is, are Rock and HHH even really active? I would actually put Rock over HHH in the wrestling department, since I've at least seen good Rock matches that weren't some sort of stipulation garbage brawl. Seriously, can anyone name 5 good HHH matches that weren't street fights, HIACs, ladder matches, etc.? Without those gimmicks HHH is left to his own devices, and that means knees, knees, and pedigrees.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jul 21, 2012 17:51:25 GMT -5
Thing is, are Rock and HHH even really active? I would actually put Rock over HHH in the wrestling department, since I've at least seen good Rock matches that weren't some sort of stipulation garbage brawl. Seriously, can anyone name 5 good HHH matches that weren't street fights, HIACs, ladder matches, etc.? Without those gimmicks HHH is left to his own devices, and that means knees, knees, and pedigrees. Pretty much EVERY HHH match from 1999 until his Quad Tear.
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Jul 21, 2012 17:57:28 GMT -5
Thing is, are Rock and HHH even really active? I would actually put Rock over HHH in the wrestling department, since I've at least seen good Rock matches that weren't some sort of stipulation garbage brawl. Seriously, can anyone name 5 good HHH matches that weren't street fights, HIACs, ladder matches, etc.? Without those gimmicks HHH is left to his own devices, and that means knees, knees, and pedigrees. Honestly, last year's Wrestlemania match was pretty good in my opinion. Yeah, finisher fest and all that but where I think HHH excels at is storytelling. That finisher fest really drove home the story they wanted to tell, tied into this year's mania pretty well and was all around a great story. Could be just me, but when I watch HHH matches I don't care about the technical side of it, I care that it's the closest wrestling gets to telling an engaging story. Not just a good story. Bryan and Punk can tell good stories with nothing wrong about them where they want to beat someone, get hurt, sell their injuries and all that. HHH really makes me buy into the match and realize what his character is going through during the entire match, which honestly is something I don't get from any other wrestler in the WWE. That's why he's one of my all time favorites and I prefer to watch, say, HHH vs Nash from this year/last year(can't remember when it was) than Punk vs Bryan. One is good to look at, doesn't have flaws and all that, but the other makes me legitimately curious about what's going to happen next without using cheap thrills. And that's not a knock on Punk/Bryan either, those thrills just come naturally with wrestling. It's just that the way HHH uses those thrills to further something else as opposed to using storytelling to further thrills...it just really makes me into a fan of his.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jul 21, 2012 18:04:22 GMT -5
Find it odd that he leaves out Austin as he isn't active... but includes the Rock and Triple H who are at best semi-retired
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Post by Push R Truth on Jul 21, 2012 18:11:35 GMT -5
Find it odd that he leaves out Austin as he isn't active... but includes the Rock and Triple H who are at best semi-retired They have at least wrestled in the last year. I can't even remember the last time Austin wrestled a match. I'm guessing at least 5+ years.
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Post by Arrow on Jul 21, 2012 18:14:30 GMT -5
Find it odd that he leaves out Austin as he isn't active... but includes the Rock and Triple H who are at best semi-retired They have at least wrestled in the last year. I can't even remember the last time Austin wrestled a match. I'm guessing at least 5+ years. WrestleMania 19, against The Rock.
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Post by Threadkiller [Classic] on Jul 21, 2012 18:21:14 GMT -5
I cannot kendoane this line of twittering.
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Post by Ecks Ecks Ringout Ecks Ecks on Jul 21, 2012 18:33:49 GMT -5
Find it odd that he leaves out Austin as he isn't active... but includes the Rock and Triple H who are at best semi-retired This. A couple of matches in a year does not mean "active" in my book. Rock, HHH, Taker, Lesnar, etc. are all "special attraction" guys at the moment, and can't be fairly compared to guys busting their asses not only on weekly TV, but also on house shows.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jul 21, 2012 18:35:56 GMT -5
He's right though. Punk is a great wrestler and a great talker, but as yet he hasn't really drawn money. HHHunter never particularly did either, where as Rock does. Just because it isn't the popular opinion with you doesnt make him wrong, nor does it invalidate his opinion of who he considers the best. Triple H was the #1 draw in 2004; #2 draw in 2000, 2003, 2005, and 2008; the #3 draw in 1999 and 2002, #4 draw in 2001, and the #8 draw in 1998 in all of wrestling. I wouldn't say he never drew.
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Post by norsisclouds on Jul 21, 2012 18:53:56 GMT -5
He's right though. Punk is a great wrestler and a great talker, but as yet he hasn't really drawn money. HHHunter never particularly did either, where as Rock does. Just because it isn't the popular opinion with you doesnt make him wrong, nor does it invalidate his opinion of who he considers the best. Triple H was the #1 draw in 2004; #2 draw in 2000, 2003, 2005, and 2008; the #3 draw in 1999 and 2002, #4 draw in 2001, and the #8 draw in 1998 in all of wrestling. I wouldn't say he never drew. People like to count draws as only the #1 guy. It takes more than 1 guy to make or break a show and sell tickets. Sure there are top draws, but the major strength of the biggest money making period, the AE were ALL of the amazing draws in WWF.
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Post by Z-A Sandbaggin' Son of a b!%@h on Jul 21, 2012 19:00:06 GMT -5
So why does everyone care so much about his opinion. I mean, he was asked what He thought. So he answered. no big deal.
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Post by KobashiChop on Jul 21, 2012 19:15:29 GMT -5
This bullshit about who "draws" is so stupid. Given how often the WWE comes around to every arena, the attraction of the WWE being there once or twice every year is the determining factor in what puts asses on seats. Plus, PPV rates aren't really indicative of who draws, as its normally the same guys on every card.
It isnt like MMA where you can actually get a valid estimate on who draws and who does not.
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Post by thehoss on Jul 21, 2012 19:16:46 GMT -5
Triple H's horrendously boring Ruthless Aggression era run should disqualify him from this discussion. He was unwatchable for YEARS.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jul 21, 2012 19:27:10 GMT -5
Thing is, are Rock and HHH even really active? I would actually put Rock over HHH in the wrestling department, since I've at least seen good Rock matches that weren't some sort of stipulation garbage brawl. Seriously, can anyone name 5 good HHH matches that weren't street fights, HIACs, ladder matches, etc.? Without those gimmicks HHH is left to his own devices, and that means knees, knees, and pedigrees. Pretty much EVERY HHH match from 1999 until his Quad Tear. Not to mention: vs. Cena, Wrestlemania 22 vs. Jeff Hardy, No Mercy 2008 vs. HBK, Raw 12/29/2003 And as far as WWE's true "Best In The World" currently, I do think Cena gives Punk a good run for his money- and that's solely based on his in-ring and mic skills, not his drawing power. I'd also throw Bryan, Jericho and Ziggler into the conversation.
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Post by juvijuiceisloose on Jul 21, 2012 19:34:17 GMT -5
He's right though. Punk is a great wrestler and a great talker, but as yet he hasn't really drawn money. HHHunter never particularly did either, where as Rock does. Just because it isn't the popular opinion with you doesnt make him wrong, nor does it invalidate his opinion of who he considers the best. Triple H was the #1 draw in 2004; #2 draw in 2000, 2003, 2005, and 2008; the #3 draw in 1999 and 2002, #4 draw in 2001, and the #8 draw in 1998 in all of wrestling. I wouldn't say he never drew. Was Triple H really the main draw in 2003, 2004, 2005, and 2008, or was he just pushed like he was?
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Post by #RUDO Coco Del Rio on Jul 21, 2012 19:40:36 GMT -5
Noted.
Why doesn't Austin qualify?
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