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Post by Nikki Heyman on Oct 14, 2011 10:37:20 GMT -5
I had trouble just watching the trailer. I'm almost scared to watch the segment.
I wasn't watching when Hall was at his peak, but I've seen some of his work in retrospect. It's a very sad story that I fear is going to have an even sadder ending.
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Ginger Beer Man
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Post by Ginger Beer Man on Oct 14, 2011 11:20:23 GMT -5
Truly sad, depressing. His comments are truly scary.
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El Hijo De Slapnuts
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Post by El Hijo De Slapnuts on Oct 14, 2011 11:25:30 GMT -5
That made me feel depressed,he looked so awful............
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hassanchop
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Post by hassanchop on Oct 14, 2011 11:43:48 GMT -5
I really was choked up when he said he wasn't afraid to die. I am not going to cast stones on Scott's decisions and actions. I just pray that someone or himself leads him out of the darkness he is going through day by day right now. This. I hope his son, if he really does intend to be a pro wrestler, doesn't end up the same.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Oct 14, 2011 12:56:04 GMT -5
The saddest thing about Hall is all the wasted potential over the years.
I mean, he was over like crazy in the 90's (somethimes, I think people forget just how over he was as Razor)
And quite a few people have said that when his mind was right, he was one of the best wrestling minds out there.
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Post by repomanfan on Oct 14, 2011 13:26:05 GMT -5
The saddest thing about Hall is all the wasted potential over the years. I mean, he was over like crazy in the 90's (somethimes, I think people forget just how over he was as Razor) And quite a few people have said that when his mind was right, he was one of the best wrestling minds out there. Yes and no. He was on top for most of the 90s and made a lot of money. I would call that a pretty good career. He wasted other things in his life; his career, not really. If he stayed healthy and in shape, he could of still had a pretty big role in wrestling(most likely TNA), considering how many older wrestlers they have well over 40, and into their 50s.
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Post by King Boo on Oct 14, 2011 13:36:59 GMT -5
My heart just broke.
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Post by blake6905 on Oct 14, 2011 19:12:52 GMT -5
won't be tough for me to watch. That didnt even look like a human face there at the end....
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Post by foreveryoung on Oct 14, 2011 20:03:41 GMT -5
Thats nice... Lets just glorify a trainwreck there ESPN. Nothing positive to air? may as well air this on CNN while they are at it. I know ESPN and other networks tend to exploit hot topics and controversial issues to sell programming, but their E60 series is always hard hitting and focuses on a wide range of issues concerning various sports, not just wrestling. At the very least, they are willing to send a crew to document what happens to some of these fallen stars who depend on these independent bookings to make a living. Some of them, like Hall, can't get past their old glory days and continue to party it up with alcohol and drug abuse. It's tragic to see one of wrestling's biggest stars from the 90s fallen to such hard times, but it's just like any other professional athlete who files for bankruptcy. Ultimately, he has to own up and be held accountable for his irresponsibility, but it seems like it doesn't seem to faze or bother Hall one bit. I can understand that.. But why do things like these have to be sensationalized aired on tv. Not just this but all these negative crap of people's personal lives etc.. To me its just morally wrong. The guy has problems get him help. Leave his personal life alone. Don't make a damn miniseries out of it. What good can come out of this? More money so Hall can go out and get more tanked up and be a mess? These idiots just love to kick people when they are down and get a bang for a buck out of it. The guy needs psychological help and drug rehab to get himself back on track.. Not some dang tv show showing the world what a mess he is. They all should be ashamed of themselves to do this to anyone by sensationalizing all their personal issues just for some damn ratings and money.
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Post by bathory on Oct 15, 2011 4:28:47 GMT -5
I know ESPN and other networks tend to exploit hot topics and controversial issues to sell programming, but their E60 series is always hard hitting and focuses on a wide range of issues concerning various sports, not just wrestling. At the very least, they are willing to send a crew to document what happens to some of these fallen stars who depend on these independent bookings to make a living. Some of them, like Hall, can't get past their old glory days and continue to party it up with alcohol and drug abuse. It's tragic to see one of wrestling's biggest stars from the 90s fallen to such hard times, but it's just like any other professional athlete who files for bankruptcy. Ultimately, he has to own up and be held accountable for his irresponsibility, but it seems like it doesn't seem to faze or bother Hall one bit. I can understand that.. But why do things like these have to be sensationalized aired on tv. Not just this but all these negative crap of people's personal lives etc.. To me its just morally wrong. The guy has problems get him help. Leave his personal life alone. Don't make a damn miniseries out of it. What good can come out of this? More money so Hall can go out and get more tanked up and be a mess? These idiots just love to kick people when they are down and get a bang for a buck out of it. The guy needs psychological help and drug rehab to get himself back on track.. Not some dang tv show showing the world what a mess he is. They all should be ashamed of themselves to do this to anyone by sensationalizing all their personal issues just for some damn ratings and money. You do know that nobody forced Hall to do it, he did it willingly so if you want to blame someone, blame him, not ESPN, they're just a TV station that wants to fill their hours with programming. Not to mention that this kind of docu does have some use, it helps people who are using drugs, or have done in the past realize how bad they are and see the consequences by watching their hero from the 90s fall hard. I never look forward to wrestling reports, DVDs or stuff like that but I'm still interested in that Scott Hall documentary and I have not even been a fan of him when I was 8, let alone today...I just want to see all possible effects from long time alcohol and drug abuse in visual form.
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Johnny D
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Post by Johnny D on Oct 15, 2011 5:54:27 GMT -5
Oh, Scott. For once i agree with Bischoff about something though.
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The OP
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Post by The OP on Oct 15, 2011 21:39:17 GMT -5
Part of me questions the whole "nothing about pro wrestling brought this on" notion, given that the industry often keeps these guys traveling 300+ days a year and constantly turns a blind eye to possible addiction issues and personal problems that can arise from being away from home for so long. That said, Hall goes beyond a lot of that; he's at a place where you don't see a ton of other guys at, and he's actually been offered help from the wrestling industry, going back to his WCW days. It's just sad. I agree. I'm certainly not anti-wrestling, I love wrestling, but I think the whole culture of wrestling needs to finally evolve all the way past the traveling circus thing. I also feel that, while I understand that giving somebody a bunch of excuses can hurt more than it can help, I think sometimes these conversations swing too far the other way where people are constantly being like "we better make sure we blame this person for having problems".
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Oct 15, 2011 21:48:51 GMT -5
Shit that was depressing.
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Post by theryno665 on Oct 15, 2011 22:10:37 GMT -5
I don't think I'll be able to watch it even if I wanted to. The trailer alone almost made me want to cry.
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Post by spec on Oct 15, 2011 22:48:41 GMT -5
I can understand that.. But why do things like these have to be sensationalized aired on tv. Not just this but all these negative crap of people's personal lives etc.. To me its just morally wrong. The guy has problems get him help. Leave his personal life alone. Don't make a damn miniseries out of it. What good can come out of this? More money so Hall can go out and get more tanked up and be a mess? These idiots just love to kick people when they are down and get a bang for a buck out of it. The guy needs psychological help and drug rehab to get himself back on track.. Not some dang tv show showing the world what a mess he is. They all should be ashamed of themselves to do this to anyone by sensationalizing all their personal issues just for some damn ratings and money. You do know that nobody forced Hall to do it, he did it willingly so if you want to blame someone, blame him, not ESPN, they're just a TV station that wants to fill their hours with programming. Not to mention that this kind of docu does have some use, it helps people who are using drugs, or have done in the past realize how bad they are and see the consequences by watching their hero from the 90s fall hard. I never look forward to wrestling reports, DVDs or stuff like that but I'm still interested in that Scott Hall documentary and I have not even been a fan of him when I was 8, let alone today...I just want to see all possible effects from long time alcohol and drug abuse in visual form. This is someone that is vulnerable, he needs help. He did it willingly but how can he be in the right frame of mind to make that decision. Maybe they waved a lot of money in front of him to do it and what is he then going to do with that with the attitude he displays here? Sounds like he'll just go and get loaded again. And as for absolving wrestling of all blame well just look at the staggering number of people involved in the business that have died young. It f***s people up, there's no doubt.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Oct 15, 2011 22:58:05 GMT -5
You do know that nobody forced Hall to do it, he did it willingly so if you want to blame someone, blame him, not ESPN, they're just a TV station that wants to fill their hours with programming. Not to mention that this kind of docu does have some use, it helps people who are using drugs, or have done in the past realize how bad they are and see the consequences by watching their hero from the 90s fall hard. I never look forward to wrestling reports, DVDs or stuff like that but I'm still interested in that Scott Hall documentary and I have not even been a fan of him when I was 8, let alone today...I just want to see all possible effects from long time alcohol and drug abuse in visual form. This is someone that is vulnerable, he needs help. He did it willingly but how can he be in the right frame of mind to make that decision. Maybe they waved a lot of money in front of him to do it and what is he then going to do with that with the attitude he displays here? Sounds like he'll just go and get loaded again. And as for absolving wrestling of all blame well just look at the staggering number of people involved in the business that have died young. It f***s people up, there's no doubt. But here's the question: Are they f***ed up because of the business, or are they in the business because they're f***ed up? A guy like Scott Hall, I'm sorry, wrestling or no, his story was NEVER gonna have a happy ending. Did wrestling speed that deterioration up a bit? Probably, yeah, no argument there, but chances are, something was wrong at the core of Scott Hall, long before wrestling ever got involved.
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Post by Threadkiller [Classic] on Oct 16, 2011 2:22:59 GMT -5
This is someone that is vulnerable, he needs help. He did it willingly but how can he be in the right frame of mind to make that decision. Maybe they waved a lot of money in front of him to do it and what is he then going to do with that with the attitude he displays here? Sounds like he'll just go and get loaded again. And as for absolving wrestling of all blame well just look at the staggering number of people involved in the business that have died young. It f***s people up, there's no doubt. But here's the question: Are they f***ed up because of the business, or are they in the business because they're f***ed up? A guy like Scott Hall, I'm sorry, wrestling or no, his story was NEVER gonna have a happy ending. Did wrestling speed that deterioration up a bit? Probably, yeah, no argument there, but chances are, something was wrong at the core of Scott Hall, long before wrestling ever got involved. This a great observation, since the same could be said about a lot of wrestling's "trainwrecks." Jake Roberts had a LOT to deal with before he ever set foot inside a ring. Being the product of rape is bad enough, but when your mother was thirteen at the time? And when your father is a domineering dick who physically abuses you? Of COURSE Jake went into wrestling and emulated his father's patterns (except for the rape). It was the only thing he ever knew. As for Scott Hall, I can't imagine what he's been through in his life, but it's become apparent over time that his issues extend well beyond the tribulation the industry inflicted.
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 16, 2011 3:33:13 GMT -5
You find something else to do.
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Post by repomanfan on Oct 16, 2011 9:05:31 GMT -5
I know ESPN and other networks tend to exploit hot topics and controversial issues to sell programming, but their E60 series is always hard hitting and focuses on a wide range of issues concerning various sports, not just wrestling. At the very least, they are willing to send a crew to document what happens to some of these fallen stars who depend on these independent bookings to make a living. Some of them, like Hall, can't get past their old glory days and continue to party it up with alcohol and drug abuse. It's tragic to see one of wrestling's biggest stars from the 90s fallen to such hard times, but it's just like any other professional athlete who files for bankruptcy. Ultimately, he has to own up and be held accountable for his irresponsibility, but it seems like it doesn't seem to faze or bother Hall one bit. I can understand that.. But why do things like these have to be sensationalized aired on tv. Not just this but all these negative crap of people's personal lives etc.. To me its just morally wrong. The guy has problems get him help. Leave his personal life alone. Don't make a damn miniseries out of it. What good can come out of this? More money so Hall can go out and get more tanked up and be a mess? These idiots just love to kick people when they are down and get a bang for a buck out of it. The guy needs psychological help and drug rehab to get himself back on track.. Not some dang tv show showing the world what a mess he is. They all should be ashamed of themselves to do this to anyone by sensationalizing all their personal issues just for some damn ratings and money. You act like this is something new. This is America, we have a whole entertainment industry that is devoted to exploiting and sensationalizing other people miseries. We love it when people are down and out, just so we can make a buck off them. Floyd Mayweather Junior summed up it up beautifully in one sentence: "If it don't make dollars it don't make sense". Very rarely does big or small business/entertainment/government do anything out of pure goodness. ESPN is not doing this documentary as a way to help people, or to put out a positive message etc.... They see an interesting story that they think will get people watching.
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Post by dlg3000 on Oct 16, 2011 9:46:58 GMT -5
s*** that was depressing.
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