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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2011 20:28:18 GMT -5
From the master himself:
Ok Smart Marks, you know what a mark is , a mark is a guy that spends his last 20 dollars on crack cocaine...A mark is a guy that beleves that OJ didnt do it.....And a mark is everyone of you sorry sons of mother f***ing bitches so you know what im gonna do the only appropriate thing Brian Pillman should do...Im gonna jerk out my johnson and piss in this hell hole.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Dec 20, 2011 12:33:13 GMT -5
"Mark" isn't just a carny term. It's a term used by any sort of con or hustler to describe someone that only exists(to a con or hustler)to be separated from their money. A drunken tourist at Mardi Gras waving around wads of money is an easy mark for a variety of cons, for instance. I think the following was an attempt to define a mark for the business: "a mark is a wrestler being in an inviolably high position on the card and still holding people down to appease their own ego because god forbid they ever lose a completely staged fight." That is the opposite of a mark for the wrestling business. Guys like Nash, Hall, Hogan, HHH, etc. weren't holding people down, and grasping to their main event spots because they truly believed they were tough guys that should never lose a pre-ordained fight. They were doing that because being in that spot on the card is guaranteed big money. And keeping others from getting there means less people you have to share it with. A mark for the business is someone like Benoit who destroys their body on the midcard in an attempt to put on great matches, or reach wrestling immortality, or whatever. But essentially, a mark is anyone who spends their money on wrestling in any way, shape, or form. I haven't regularly followed a wrestling promotion since 2003, but since I still buy the occasional dvd collection, or go to a ROH show whenever they come around, I am technically a mark. don't get me wrong. I totally understand the money. but really, what the f*** does Hogan or triple H have left too prove? they'll always be a big deal whether they lose a match or not. holding someone else down potentially costs that company money, and in the cases of guys like Hogan, Trips and Nash it's unnecessary because they'll be fine regardless. and that's why they're a mark. they are so egotistical that they worry about losing a match when in the grand scheme of things it'd mean sweet f*** all to their careers. look at The Rock, he lost a lot and put people over all the time and he's a bigger star than any of those 3.
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Post by ICBM on Dec 20, 2011 12:43:39 GMT -5
When you suspend disbelief in any manor during a wrestling match/angle/spot and forget that it is worked, you are a mark. Stop assigning it a negative conotation in all areas. Sometimes it is extremely insulting to be labeled a mark but not always. Sometimes accepting the magic and stading in awe of something you see is a good thing. The negative conotations of it are for example, when Hogan played twitter games with smart marks about bobby rhoode and James Storm. The internet heat they gave him meant they were accepting his work and gave him the reaction he wanted. thus, they became his marks. Other variations are when you mark out over a wrestler no matter where he is on the card. I am a mark for Sting, Flair, Rhoode, CM Punk and the Von Erichs. I accept and own that. Now if I fell head first for a red herring planted by IW or WWE and then got pissed off and posted because of it, I'd be living up to the nagative contation of mark
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2011 13:17:45 GMT -5
"Mark" isn't just a carny term. It's a term used by any sort of con or hustler to describe someone that only exists(to a con or hustler)to be separated from their money. A drunken tourist at Mardi Gras waving around wads of money is an easy mark for a variety of cons, for instance. I think the following was an attempt to define a mark for the business: "a mark is a wrestler being in an inviolably high position on the card and still holding people down to appease their own ego because god forbid they ever lose a completely staged fight." That is the opposite of a mark for the wrestling business. Guys like Nash, Hall, Hogan, HHH, etc. weren't holding people down, and grasping to their main event spots because they truly believed they were tough guys that should never lose a pre-ordained fight. They were doing that because being in that spot on the card is guaranteed big money. And keeping others from getting there means less people you have to share it with. A mark for the business is someone like Benoit who destroys their body on the midcard in an attempt to put on great matches, or reach wrestling immortality, or whatever. But essentially, a mark is anyone who spends their money on wrestling in any way, shape, or form. I haven't regularly followed a wrestling promotion since 2003, but since I still buy the occasional dvd collection, or go to a ROH show whenever they come around, I am technically a mark. don't get me wrong. I totally understand the money. but really, what the f*** does Hogan or triple H have left too prove? they'll always be a big deal whether they lose a match or not. holding someone else down potentially costs that company money, and in the cases of guys like Hogan, Trips and Nash it's unnecessary because they'll be fine regardless. and that's why they're a mark. they are so egotistical that they worry about losing a match when in the grand scheme of things it'd mean sweet f*** all to their careers. look at The Rock, he lost a lot and put people over all the time and he's a bigger star than any of those 3. I think that can be explained in a single word: paranoia. I'M in THE spot on the roster that everybody wants. If I put them over, they start inching closer to my spot, and more importantly, my paycheck. I honestly don't think that a guy like Nash has ever cared if anyone thought he was a good worker, or put on good matches. The only thing that mattered is that he drew money, and he didn't care how he went about it. Hogan didn't create the Hollywood persona because he felt it was a good way to further his image. He did it because Hulkamania was no longer the draw that it once was. He was THE top guy in the company, complete with creative control. And he worked for a major corporation. Though they were mostly ignorant to what was going on in WCW, I'm sure the thought had run through his mind of "What happens if they figure out that I'm not actually earning the money that they're paying me?". So he went the other way. If they aren't paying to cheer him, they might pay to boo him. And it worked. HHH is something of a different beast entirely. He wasn't just playing to get the biggest paycheck; he wanted the ENTIRE company. He used politics to get to the top of the card. Then he married the boss' daughter. Then he used his postion to convince the boss that he knew what was best for the business: him. As for a guy like The Rock, I think it all falls under the umbrella of self-confidence. He knew he was among, if not THE most "it" performer of his day. He knew that no matter what, people were still going to pay money to see him. Heel or face, win or lose, he would be a draw. There's also a matter of external success. The Rock did quite well in some Hollywood blockbusters. Hogan starred in a series of flops, and a terrible tv series. Hogan wanted to get away from the wrestling business, but just wasn't as sucessful outside of it as he was inside of it. He's not in TNA now because he's a mark for himself, or the business. He's there, and still occasionally trying to get his broken-down body into the ring because he needs the money. The Rock, however, can come and go from wrestling as he desires. The Rock can go make millions(...and millions) of dollars making a movie with little-to no damage to his body. A guy like Hogan doesn't have that option. Of course, this is all speculation on my part. But I like this thread. Oddly enough, these are the types of things that I sit around thinking about when I'm bored. *shrug*
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Dec 20, 2011 15:49:46 GMT -5
it is a fair point. my belief still stands though that if that's how they think (especially Hogan whom, lets face it, for better or worse is the first name in pro wrestling) it's more than a little delusional to think that there's not going to be a big money spot for him in the company. and being delusional is central to the classic meaning of being a "mark" so my point still stands.
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Post by Angus Mcloud on Dec 20, 2011 23:12:59 GMT -5
The biggest marks are the wrestlers who will work for free in some Godforsaken indy flea market show, who think belts have intrinsic value, who will let someone bash them with light tubes in order to prove their toughness (doing it for a paycheck is different) and who paid a ton of money to some third rate never-was in order to receive poor training. What if I'll only do 1 out of 4?
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Dec 21, 2011 0:16:35 GMT -5
well if you're not taking the stupid yard-tard spots for free, you're fine.
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