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Post by mauled on Dec 27, 2011 12:49:02 GMT -5
Ok Dynamite Kid was ahead of his time in terms of wrestling ability. This is the guy who invented the ladder match who Bret Hart calls pound for pound the greatest wrestler of all time.
Only one draw back he was a small guy back when big guys were the thing so was really stuck doing tag matches. But say he was around in the early to mid 90's when Bret and Shawn both went big could he have made it big do you think and was he as Bret calls the greatest ?
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Post by repomanfan on Dec 27, 2011 13:34:47 GMT -5
He was a great in ring performer. But let's face it, no matter how much muscle he was going to put on(he already had more than his body could handle) he was always going to be small. That was not his only drawback. The fact that he was one of the worst talkers in the business at the time, and his lack of charisma would of continued to be a big setback in his career.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2011 13:38:57 GMT -5
His physically taxing style along with the drugs he took in order to work such a style are what caused him to be in the condition he is today. He was in the WWF at the same time that Bret was in the same position Dynamite was in (a smaller, mainly tag team wrestler), but Bret was smarter with preserving his body through both his style and not abusing drugs to the level that Dynamite did. In order for Dynamite to stand out at the time, he needed to wrestle that crippling style.
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Post by repomanfan on Dec 27, 2011 13:47:02 GMT -5
You're right. His style and drug use(steroids and painkillers) is what got him to the top in the first place, but ended up being his downfall. That's why young guys in the business really need to start working on other aspects beyond merely being able to do a lot of moves, if they want to have any longevity in the business.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Dec 27, 2011 14:57:54 GMT -5
It is a shame that what made him famous also tore his body apart.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Dec 27, 2011 18:21:02 GMT -5
I wonder if he went to NWA/WCW, would he have gone farther in the U.S. than Davey Boy...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2011 18:22:41 GMT -5
I think that Dynamite went as far as he was going to go in America.
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Post by NOwave on Dec 27, 2011 19:12:49 GMT -5
I agree with this. It took terribly self-destructive behavior to get him as far as he got. And that couldn't cover his lack of charisma. I love Bret Hart but he's wrong on this: Dynamite was NOT the best wrestler pound for pound. Wrestling is FAR more than just the ability to do a number of exotic moves. Arguably, it's a relatively small part. (Prime example: the Rock-one of the alltime greats-average moveset at best, but amazing charisma)
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No. At that time in the NWA/WCW, he would have been terribly overmatched due to his lack of speaking ability. Can you see him compared to ANY of the 4 Horsemen? Dusty Rhodes? Rick Steamboat? Terry Funk? Nikita Koloff? Sting? Luger, even?
Perhaps they could have given him a manager to talk for him, like the Great Muta. But a guy like Muta depended on his ability to intimidate to get over. Dynamite, for all his fancy moves, was just too small to intimidate anybody.(5'8", maybe 170 without steroids, 200 or so with) There was just no role for a guy like Dynamite in NWA/WCW at that time.
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Post by rocked on Dec 28, 2011 11:14:57 GMT -5
I would have liked to see him in the 1997 Hart Foundation stable, if he were able of course.
But considering a lot of people consider him one of the best of all time, how much further could he have gone?
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Post by johnnyk9 on Dec 28, 2011 16:09:12 GMT -5
He had a tremendous run, just let drugs control his life
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Dec 28, 2011 16:24:58 GMT -5
I would have liked to see him in the 1997 Hart Foundation stable, if he were able of course. But considering a lot of people consider him one of the best of all time, how much further could he have gone? Nah, Bret was already doing a wheelchair gimmick then, two would have been excessive. |
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Post by Honeybear Lyder on Dec 29, 2011 8:47:31 GMT -5
Dynamite actually tried to get hired by the NWA, but they didn't want him. A shame really, cause IMO, a Dynamite Kid- Ricky Steamboat matches would rock.
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Post by BJ Sturgeon on Dec 29, 2011 13:44:17 GMT -5
Isn't he also a sociopath and raging lunatic? How well respected/liked was he backstage?
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Dec 29, 2011 14:10:09 GMT -5
Isn't he also a sociopath and raging lunatic? How well respected/liked was he backstage? Based on Bret's book, most everyone respected his ability and his toughness, but people who actually liked him were not as common. |
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Post by repomanfan on Dec 29, 2011 14:21:18 GMT -5
Isn't he also a sociopath and raging lunatic? How well respected/liked was he backstage? Jacques Rougeau knocked out all his teeth and nobody seemed to care not even Bret. That shows you what people thought of him. |
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Post by johnpricesuperstar on Dec 29, 2011 20:43:39 GMT -5
He would have probibly had Davey Boy's spot- a IC title Reign.
I would have loved to have seen him and Benoit have a Rocky V like feud.
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