|
Post by clashofchampains on Dec 21, 2011 16:25:11 GMT -5
Because another boom period would help the economy. And help morals when people don't have much money. If you noticed, the last two boom periods occurred when the economy was strong. Yea but I didn't have a job when the Monday Night Wars occured and it helped me pass what could have been dreadful nights. ;D
|
|
|
Post by the Black Snow on Dec 21, 2011 22:09:24 GMT -5
When I spend my money on wrestling, it's either on DVD's that have great matches on them, or the hope of a few good, fun matches irregardless of storyline. This year the only TNA PPV I bought was Destination X and I felt I got my moneys worth. Nothing else this year seemed like anything I'd want to pay for so I didn't. This isn't a charity, it's all about the money, and ain't nobody buying Victory Road '11 DVD.
|
|
kidglov3s
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
Wants her Shot
Who is Tiger Maskooo?
Posts: 15,870
|
Post by kidglov3s on Dec 23, 2011 1:13:47 GMT -5
This isn't a charity, it's all about the money, and ain't nobody buying Victory Road '11 DVD. I did, in a two-pack with Against All Odds for $6.63. I'm happy to have such a historic event in my collection, alongside other infamous classics like King of the Ring 1995, Halloween Havoc 1998 and December to Dismember 2006. For better or worse it's probably the most notable and historically significant TNA event of the past year.
|
|
|
Post by wcw on Dec 23, 2011 2:28:41 GMT -5
Honestly I think its creative nepotism (If you could call it that). Russo, The McMahon's, and Heyman were the major players in the mid to late 90's creatively speaking with Cornette and Sullivan being some other notables.
For the last decade who has really gotten a shot to have a creative say in the wrestling product? Heyman, McMahon, and Russo. For the last decade there have only been two really new faces in booking/writing wrestling shows and that's Sapolsky and D'amore. D'amore for about a year got the reigns of TNA and it was a pretty well booked show but other then that brief stint hasn't done much else. Sapolsky hasn't gotten a major promotion to give him a chance.
It just seems like there is a major void at the creative point of wrestling. New people and ideas need to come into the fold.
|
|
Tiger Maskooo
Samurai Cop
I cant hear you over the sound of how much im tiger masking
Posts: 2,384
|
Post by Tiger Maskooo on Dec 23, 2011 14:54:16 GMT -5
This isn't a charity, it's all about the money, and ain't nobody buying Victory Road '11 DVD. I did, in a two-pack with Against All Odds for $6.63. I'm happy to have such a historic event in my collection, alongside other infamous classics like King of the Ring 1995, Halloween Havoc 1998 and December to Dismember 2006. For better or worse it's probably the most notable and historically significant TNA event of the past year. Yeah and i'd argue even though it was terrible it was so terrible it was interesting unlike most of the shows this year. I'll take one victory road trainwreck over ten ken anderson main events.
|
|
|
Post by jadison on Dec 23, 2011 15:28:54 GMT -5
Honestly I think its creative nepotism (If you could call it that). Russo, The McMahon's, and Heyman were the major players in the mid to late 90's creatively speaking with Cornette and Sullivan being some other notables. For the last decade who has really gotten a shot to have a creative say in the wrestling product? Heyman, McMahon, and Russo. For the last decade there have only been two really new faces in booking/writing wrestling shows and that's Sapolsky and D'amore. D'amore for about a year got the reigns of TNA and it was a pretty well booked show but other then that brief stint hasn't done much else. Sapolsky hasn't gotten a major promotion to give him a chance. It just seems like there is a major void at the creative point of wrestling. New people and ideas need to come into the fold. Best point of the entire thread. I totally agree with that, there is seemingly zero fresh booking talent and it defaults to Vince, his favorite people, and people that used to work for Vince, or Ted Turner.
|
|
JoDaNa1281
Patti Mayonnaise
Jackie Daytona, Regular Human Bartender. #BLM
Posts: 39,960
|
Post by JoDaNa1281 on Dec 23, 2011 16:18:06 GMT -5
I did, in a two-pack with Against All Odds for $6.63. I'm happy to have such a historic event in my collection, alongside other infamous classics like King of the Ring 1995, Halloween Havoc 1998 and December to Dismember 2006. For better or worse it's probably the most notable and historically significant TNA event of the past year. Yeah and i'd argue even though it was terrible it was so terrible it was interesting unlike most of the shows this year. I'll take one victory road trainwreck over ten ken anderson main events. As a whole, I wouldn't say Victory Road 2011 was as bad as those, because while there was some bad matches(Sting/Jeff, First Blood, RVD/Anderson), there was some really good matches(Ultimate X, Beer Money/Ink Inc., Styles/Matt). Now Victory Road 2009 on the other hand, that belongs in the same category as those shows.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2011 19:14:29 GMT -5
Personally, I find TNA to be a mess run by a bunch of people who don't know how to tell even the most basic of stories, and Ring of Honor between the low production values and their emphasis on a pretty narrow viewpoint of what a good wrestler is, with many of them not particularly good anywhere but in the ring, and don't see why I should support them just because WWE having competition might somehow make it better or something. Really, if anything I prefer wrestling being a niche thing anyway.
|
|
|
Post by the Black Snow on Dec 23, 2011 21:32:36 GMT -5
This isn't a charity, it's all about the money, and ain't nobody buying Victory Road '11 DVD. I did, in a two-pack with Against All Odds for $6.63. I'm happy to have such a historic event in my collection, alongside other infamous classics like King of the Ring 1995, Halloween Havoc 1998 and December to Dismember 2006. For better or worse it's probably the most notable and historically significant TNA event of the past year. Fair enough, I do own Street Fighter: The Movie on DVD where the great American hero has an Austrian accent. I can appreciate the crap.
|
|
|
Post by celticjobber on Dec 24, 2011 5:27:03 GMT -5
For the last decade who has really gotten a shot to have a creative say in the wrestling product? Heyman, McMahon, and Russo. For the last decade there have only been two really new faces in booking/writing wrestling shows and that's Sapolsky and D'amore. D'amore for about a year got the reigns of TNA and it was a pretty well booked show but other then that brief stint hasn't done much else. Sapolsky hasn't gotten a major promotion to give him a chance. There's also Brian Gewirtz who was Raw's head writer for years and is now WWE's Senior Vice President of Creative Writing, and Ed Koskey who is the head writer for Smackdown. And David Kapoor (aka "Ranjin Singh") who's been on the WWE creative staff for years was recently promoted to head writer for Raw.
|
|
|
Post by texaswhopper on Dec 28, 2011 15:33:35 GMT -5
Wrestlers going from this company to another used to make waves when done properly. People had their thoughts on matches between wrestlers from rival companies and it was exciting to watch. If WWE is where the stars are at then WWE has most of the best young stars in the their pocket.
NWO was exciting at its output because WCW got a hold of two guys that had been in WWF for years. It put the company on the map for ratings. If TNA could just get a hold of somone that was really hot in WWE right now to mix it up with some of their wrestlers (main event status maybe) for whatever reason it could be a good spark. I guess they just can't match that dollar amount like WCW could though.
|
|
|
Post by Red Impact on Dec 28, 2011 15:39:12 GMT -5
Wrestlers going from this company to another used to make waves when done properly. People had their thoughts on matches between wrestlers from rival companies and it was exciting to watch. If WWE is where the stars are at then WWE has most of the best young stars in the their pocket. NWO was exciting at its output because WCW got a hold of two guys that had been in WWF for years. It put the company on the map for ratings. If TNA could just get a hold of somone that was really hot in WWE right now to mix it up with some of their wrestlers (main event status maybe) for whatever reason it could be a good spark. They did that at least twice, with Kurt Angle and Jeff Hardy. It didn't cause a new boom. What sparks booms seems to be when wrestling manages cash in on pop-culture at the time in just the right way. In the 80's, wrestling got to be a live action Saturday Morning cartoon, with larger than life characters. In the Attitude era, they cashed in on the crash TV style that was popular at the time, going over the top with the sex and action and scandalous storylines and such. They created a show where anything could happen, but you knew there was going to be lots of scantily clad women, outlandish storylines and characters, and things of that nature. Now there's just not really something they can cash in on that works that well. WWE seems to be trying to cash in on social media, but you can't build a company around that.
|
|
Dang!
Dennis Stamp
Posts: 4,276
|
Post by Dang! on Dec 29, 2011 13:30:32 GMT -5
God, can you imagine what would have happened to Ryder if Russo were scripting his destiny? He'd be Robbie E. A guido with a midcard title?
|
|
|
Post by showster22 on Dec 29, 2011 21:41:44 GMT -5
First let me state that I am a life long WWE guy. I've always perfered thier style and its what i'm used to as far as in ring stuff goes. that being said being a WWE guy never made me not watch other wrestling companies. Like for instance I would watch the nitro replays and thunder. I tried giving TNA a chance (I tried watching them for five years) and for various reasons I did not enjoy the product with the exception of Jan.4-2011.
Say what you will but on that night I enjoyed watching Impact. If TNA was to put on shows of that qullity i might be watching TNA now. Insted they did the Imortal angle which told me that they would never fix what I felt was broken.
Again it is not an issue of nepotism, or snobery or what have you, that keeps me from watching. it is simply beacause in the time i had invested in them was not enjoyable.
so let me finish by saying that some like WWE and some likeTNA. But I dont belive that those who do enjoy the WWE or TNA would be so extremly loyal that they not at least occationaly watch the compations programing.
|
|
|
Post by wcw on Dec 30, 2011 0:34:45 GMT -5
For the last decade who has really gotten a shot to have a creative say in the wrestling product? Heyman, McMahon, and Russo. For the last decade there have only been two really new faces in booking/writing wrestling shows and that's Sapolsky and D'amore. D'amore for about a year got the reigns of TNA and it was a pretty well booked show but other then that brief stint hasn't done much else. Sapolsky hasn't gotten a major promotion to give him a chance. There's also Brian Gewirtz who was Raw's head writer for years and is now WWE's Senior Vice President of Creative Writing, and Ed Koskey who is the head writer for Smackdown. And David Kapoor (aka "Ranjin Singh") who's been on the WWE creative staff for years was recently promoted to head writer for Raw. Yeah but both of those guys came through the McMahon grinder. They have the WWE booking philosophy instilled into them. WWE's corporate structure and Vince's controlling nature make it so that there isn't really anymore guys like Russo, Cornett, or Heyman (In the 2000's) given a shot without having to work through the ranks for years. I don't get a sense that Vince would give a Sapolsky or another indy booker the creative direction after a couple years of being there. I think for Vince you have to prove that you can write your shit for them for a long time before you get to rise through the ranks. Not saying that's a bad thing I get why WWE does it. BUT why TNA does it? I haven't a clue. Rather then get the best indy booking talent to overhaul the process and infuse some new blood into the industry their idea is to have Russo do it. Then when they talk about bringing in someone else its Heyman or Sullivan?
|
|
|
Post by wcw on Dec 30, 2011 0:58:00 GMT -5
Wrestlers going from this company to another used to make waves when done properly. People had their thoughts on matches between wrestlers from rival companies and it was exciting to watch. If WWE is where the stars are at then WWE has most of the best young stars in the their pocket. NWO was exciting at its output because WCW got a hold of two guys that had been in WWF for years. It put the company on the map for ratings. If TNA could just get a hold of somone that was really hot in WWE right now to mix it up with some of their wrestlers (main event status maybe) for whatever reason it could be a good spark. They did that at least twice, with Kurt Angle and Jeff Hardy. It didn't cause a new boom. What sparks booms seems to be when wrestling manages cash in on pop-culture at the time in just the right way. In the 80's, wrestling got to be a live action Saturday Morning cartoon, with larger than life characters. In the Attitude era, they cashed in on the crash TV style that was popular at the time, going over the top with the sex and action and scandalous storylines and such. They created a show where anything could happen, but you knew there was going to be lots of scantily clad women, outlandish storylines and characters, and things of that nature. Now there's just not really something they can cash in on that works that well. WWE seems to be trying to cash in on social media, but you can't build a company around that. I also think competition starts a boom period. Yeah WWF went nation in the mid 80's and boomed from then till the early 90's. But NWA had also found major success with Flair and company during that time. WWF courted kids, NWA courted Southern and more traditional fans. The industry had a place for everyone at that time. Cue the mid 90's. WCW was a creative mess, and WWF was out of style. There wasn't that same relevance. Cue the late 90's. WCW expanded, it opened up its self to a new audience with the NWO storyline as well as having old stars from the 80's that attracted an older audience. WCW also kept its programming family friendly for the most part even in its latter days being a better product for kids to watch. WWF eventually countered with an edgy adult oriented programming built around newer stars. Even ECW offered an alternative to the big two. Once again there was a place for everyone. Then WCW fell, ECW fell, and WWF was holding the bag with stars and a concept that wasn't as relevant as it use to be. Now what we have is WWE. A company who has found its audience with kids and its working for them. But they don't need to take that many creative risks with their product TNA doesn't pose much of a threat to them, and what they have is working. BUT it only provides a segment of the audience a chance to enjoy their product. TNA doesn't have the resources of a WCW to go head to head with WWE (Yet they act like they do). And they don't have the creative vision ECW possessed (And with their act like WCW mentality they won't) to at least provide for a segment of the audience. Without competition it just won't happen either.
|
|
|
Post by Back to being Cenanuff on Dec 30, 2011 7:22:16 GMT -5
I think the problem with TNA is that for every good thing they do, it's only a matter of time before they shoot themselves in the foot trying to do something different. They're not in a very good position, because if they try something that they know will work, it will invariably be seen as copying the WWE, and it seems like that's what they're worried about, because they keep throwing things at the wall to see what sticks instead of doing the logical thing. I'd suggest they ditch the ex-WWE guys and just do plain old normal booking with their homegrown talent, and only step one foot at a time outside the box.
|
|
SAJ Forth
Wade Wilson
Jamaican WCF Crazy!
Half Man-Half Amazing
Posts: 27,214
|
Post by SAJ Forth on Dec 30, 2011 13:20:32 GMT -5
I find it hypocritical that people keep throwing out the "TNA is stupid/horrible/unwatchable" blanket statement crap out, when every week I keep reading people say a bunch of good things about the shows they just watched. IT's like they have no long term memory. I blame Cole.
|
|
SAJ Forth
Wade Wilson
Jamaican WCF Crazy!
Half Man-Half Amazing
Posts: 27,214
|
Post by SAJ Forth on Dec 30, 2011 13:22:11 GMT -5
I did, in a two-pack with Against All Odds for $6.63. I'm happy to have such a historic event in my collection, alongside other infamous classics like King of the Ring 1995, Halloween Havoc 1998 and December to Dismember 2006. For better or worse it's probably the most notable and historically significant TNA event of the past year. Fair enough, I do own Street Fighter: The Movie on DVD where the great American hero has an Austrian accent. I can appreciate the crap. Belgian. Get it right
|
|
|
Post by clashofchampains on Dec 30, 2011 17:11:01 GMT -5
Wrestlers going from this company to another used to make waves when done properly. People had their thoughts on matches between wrestlers from rival companies and it was exciting to watch. If WWE is where the stars are at then WWE has most of the best young stars in the their pocket. NWO was exciting at its output because WCW got a hold of two guys that had been in WWF for years. It put the company on the map for ratings. If TNA could just get a hold of somone that was really hot in WWE right now to mix it up with some of their wrestlers (main event status maybe) for whatever reason it could be a good spark. I guess they just can't match that dollar amount like WCW could though. It would never work if the right concept and attitude isn't there. WWF guys had joined WCW before, there was Hogan,, Savage Duggan and all these other guys and it did not work. It's when they connected the nWo ideas that it took off. And given TNA's strong suit is not writing or booking, bringing WWE stars is pointless. They need that idea to reinvent the invading wrestlers.
|
|