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Post by Kalmia on Sept 2, 2012 11:04:53 GMT -5
I really enjoyed it - great opener to the new series! They did a great job on keeping the new companion's appearance and role so quiet and the Daleks "forgetting" the Doctor is a new twist.
Looking forward to next week!
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Post by WarChief on Sept 2, 2012 13:08:27 GMT -5
After waiting nine months for new Who, I can't believe how hard waiting six days already feels.
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Sept 2, 2012 14:44:43 GMT -5
For the Daleks forgetting the Doctor, this is the Daleks we're talking about people. if there is any contrived or bizarre explanation for getting their memory back ti will happen.
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Post by FinalGwen on Sept 2, 2012 16:25:56 GMT -5
Worst possible time to do it, though. We're approaching the 50th Anniversary, and Moffat's trying to wipe out the show's history.
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Post by WarChief on Sept 2, 2012 16:32:52 GMT -5
Worst possible time to do it, though. We're approaching the 50th Anniversary, and Moffat's trying to wipe out the show's history. We've seen one episode, of at least 6 before the anniversary. I think we can cut him a little slack. It's not like this was a bad episode of RAW, of which we can expect a probably just as bad follow up the following week. This was actually a rather awesome episode of Doctor Who, of which we can expect a probably just as good follow up next week.
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Post by Hassan bin Sober on Sept 2, 2012 16:42:08 GMT -5
History wasn't wiped, just their memory. Quite frankly I was a bit tired of the Doctor vs Dalek duel. If the Daleks know who he is it's all the more reason to exterminate him on sight. This way things are a little more believable. Besides I think this is all leading up to the whole "Doctor Who?" thing.
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Sept 2, 2012 16:43:24 GMT -5
Worst possible time to do it, though. We're approaching the 50th Anniversary, and Moffat's trying to wipe out the show's history. But your not going to watch the anniversary anyway so why does it matter,the next show runner will bring them back to normal anyway.
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Post by Legion on Sept 2, 2012 16:50:22 GMT -5
Lots of rumours that Matt Smith is planning to leave. The BBC are strongly denying, but they always do.
50th Anniversary seems to be to be a great time to regenerate and kick off a new era.
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Post by FinalGwen on Sept 2, 2012 16:59:40 GMT -5
Worst possible time to do it, though. We're approaching the 50th Anniversary, and Moffat's trying to wipe out the show's history. But your not going to watch the anniversary anyway so why does it matter,the next show runner will bring them back to normal anyway. It matters, because I still care about the show, and I want it to survive past Moffat. Worst possible time to do it, though. We're approaching the 50th Anniversary, and Moffat's trying to wipe out the show's history. We've seen one episode, of at least 6 before the anniversary. I think we can cut him a little slack. It's not like this was a bad episode of RAW, of which we can expect a probably just as bad follow up the following week. This was actually a rather awesome episode of Doctor Who, of which we can expect a probably just as good follow up next week. He's had a history of awful episodes, from Silence In The Library through The Beast Below, up into Let's Kill Hitler, The Wedding Of River Song, and now this. Chibnall, meanwhile, was responsible for the worst of Torchwood, and the awfully shallow retread of The Silurians. This isn't a new problem. He's erased most of the work RTD did bringing the show into a new century, LGBT characters are rare or treated as shallow stereotypes/wank fantasties, every female character is written either as a sexy action-girl or a mother (seriously, the guy really seems to have mother issues), and the Doctor pals around with Daleks and dictators alike.
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Sept 2, 2012 17:10:27 GMT -5
I just think your over reacting.
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Post by Legion on Sept 2, 2012 17:11:56 GMT -5
As I said back a few pages, Moff could totally rival Whedon for his portrayal of action women at this point
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Sept 2, 2012 17:16:32 GMT -5
The issue I have is that wiping the Daleks memory stopped them attacking the Doctor. That makes no sense. Daleks have it encoded into their very DNA to kill anything that isn't a Dalek. Whether they knew hye or not they still would have exterminated him on the spot.
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Post by Red Impact on Sept 2, 2012 17:17:11 GMT -5
Saw the episode last night and I enjoyed it for the most part. {Spoiler}Amy and Rory have really overstayed their welcome. They were cute at first, but not it's just gotten to the point where they're not very likable. Better than River Song, but that's not saying much.
I called the girl being a Dalek, but not that it was all her imagination and she was really in a Dalek body and not one of those human Dalek's. It was either that or she was a gigantic Mary Sue, and they usually don't point out how impossible it is for someone to do something after they've done it unless they're going somewhere with it.
I liked the twist of the Daleks. Admittedly, I haven't seen any of the old series so I don't know all the continuity of them, but since they came back, they've gotten rather stale and boring as villains. The first Dalek episode of Eccleston's run was great, and they've slowly gone downhill for me after that to the point where they're a pretty weak plot device now. Having them force their greatest enemy to do something to help them was a nice change of pace of them, and cosmetics aside, they really haven't changed in any meaningful way since the series came back. If they're supposed to be this huge, scary villain, the writers have underminded it.
As far as forgetting their history goes, yeah, my money is on that being a major plot point on this ongoing arc. By the end of the season, I expect them to either have it back, or just be back to trying to kill him anyways. It really doesn't matter which, they'd both lead to the same result with them hating the Doctor. It was a clever way to get out of the situation too, as opposed to destroying them all except for the two or three that escape and try to rebuild only to have them all destroyed again except for the two or three that escape.
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Post by Hurbster on Sept 2, 2012 17:17:58 GMT -5
I liked Silence in the Library and the Beast below, thought Lets kill Hitler was crap though.
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Post by Legion on Sept 2, 2012 17:21:11 GMT -5
One wonders, if they have forgotten the Doctor, have they forgotten all Time Lords? The Time War? Have they forgotten Davros, or all the events and failures connected to the Doctor?
Wiping him, but not the events, leaves the Daleks with a massive Doctor shaped hole in their history that I cant imagine they will just decide not to investigate....
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Sept 2, 2012 17:21:26 GMT -5
thought Lets kill Hitler was crap though. It had its moments Hitler getting punched is just fun,see?
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Post by FinalGwen on Sept 2, 2012 17:23:44 GMT -5
My problem with Silence was that it was a retread of every one of Moffat's plot points, as illustrated by Lawrence Miles, former Who author and creator of Faction Paradox: And Beast Below was just a wasted opportunity. Police state? Dystopian society taking children away from their families for failing an exam? The Doctor confronts the dictator behind this horrible, nihilistic future, and says "Never mind that, these glasses of water aren't moving!". Then Moffat presumably fell asleep watching Free Willy, and the episode just became a garbled mess with some huge leaps of logic.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Sept 2, 2012 18:23:20 GMT -5
One wonders, if they have forgotten the Doctor, have they forgotten all Time Lords? The Time War? Have they forgotten Davros, or all the events and failures connected to the Doctor? Wiping him, but not the events, leaves the Daleks with a massive Doctor shaped hole in their history that I cant imagine they will just decide not to investigate.... Something like that is nothing new. The whole "cracks in the universe" story arc from season 5 was nothing but showing how a cause and all memories of that cause can be eliminated from the universe but the effect is still there with no one even noticing the problem.
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Post by Legion on Sept 2, 2012 18:56:04 GMT -5
One wonders, if they have forgotten the Doctor, have they forgotten all Time Lords? The Time War? Have they forgotten Davros, or all the events and failures connected to the Doctor? Wiping him, but not the events, leaves the Daleks with a massive Doctor shaped hole in their history that I cant imagine they will just decide not to investigate.... Something like that is nothing new. The whole "cracks in the universe" story arc from season 5 was nothing but showing how a cause and all memories of that cause can be eliminated from the universe but the effect is still there with no one even noticing the problem. Yes, but that was on a much smaller scale and impersonal nature than a millennia long feud with the one man whose actions have essentially been involved in every single plan your civilisation has had
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Post by WarChief on Sept 2, 2012 19:05:59 GMT -5
It matters, because I still care about the show, and I want it to survive past Moffat. Okay, come on. The show is getting more popular internationally than it's ever been. Moffat is not killing the show, regardless of whether you like the way he writes or not. Overreaction.
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