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Post by Bub (BLM) on Sept 6, 2012 15:13:27 GMT -5
I know everyone is saying Hogan, but I think I'd give the nod to Andre.
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Post by Throwback on Sept 6, 2012 15:56:28 GMT -5
My knowledge of baseball is slim to none, but I presume Babe Ruth was the best ever So it must be Hogan. Babe Ruth was the greatest in his prime, However he stayed around long after his prime was over (Even had other players run for him after he made the hit) and as far as I remember he was forced to continue playing after he wanted to retire. Now that most people who saw him play are dead he is still remembered as one of the greatest based on reputation alone. based on that I'm having a tough time choosing between Hogan and Flair. And to be honest I can see Shawn hanging around until he fits the mold as well.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Sept 6, 2012 16:31:47 GMT -5
Frank Gotch.
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Post by Sajoa Moe on Sept 6, 2012 16:51:02 GMT -5
Great, now I have to make a list.
Babe Ruth = Hulk Hogan. When you think baseball, you think Babe Ruth. When you think wrestling, you think Hulk Hogan.
Joe DiMaggio = The Rock. Remarkable talents that spent limited time at the top of their professions (DiMaggio due to wartime, Rock leaving for a movie career). Both almost universally beloved by fans. Now, doing Mr. Coffee commercials may not be the equivalent of a multi-million dollar movie career, but then again, kissing Trish Stratus once on live TV isn't marrying Marilyn Monroe, either.
Willie Mays = Shawn Michaels. Wrestlemania is sometimes referred to as WWE's All Star Game. Ted Williams once said that the All Star Game was made for Willie Mays. So who better to compare Mr. All Star Game to than Mr. Wrestlemania?
Hank Aaron = Steve Austin. The personalities clash, but the accomplishments make for a great comparison. Aaron was the successor to Ruth as Austin was to Hogan.
Nolan Ryan = The Undertaker. Both have had amazing longevity and have proven that, even late in their careers, they can spin a masterpiece.
Ty Cobb = Roddy Piper. Known for great talent, volatility, and competitive fire. Also two of the greatest to never win a major championship.
George Steinbrenner = Vince McMahon. "Evil boss" comparisons aside, they both have aggressive business instincts and do whatever it takes to win.
Barry Bonds = Triple H. For one reason or another, lots of people refuse to believe that they are the "greatest of all time", no matter what anybody else says.
Ted Williams = Sting. Franchise players and all-time greats. Went away for a hiatus and attempted to return as a conquering hero, only for different circumstances to develop (Williams' poor showing in the 1946 World Series, Starrcade 1997 shenanigans). Both went out with a bang (Williams' homer in his last at-bat, Sting vs. Flair on the final Nitro).
Mickey Mantle = Andre the Giant. Probably the #2 most recognizable names in their professions. Both were beloved by millions, had outstanding talent in their early years, and loved to pound a beer or two (hundred).
Greg Maddux = Bret Hart. Master technicians who outsmarted and outcrafted their opponents without overpowering them. Coincidentally both of their primes occurred in the same time frame.
Christy Mathewson = Gorgeous George. The first true superstars of their profession.
Lou Gehrig = Kurt Angle. Both all-time great talents who always seemed to be overshadowed by someone else (Gehrig by Ruth and later DiMaggio, Angle by Austin and Rock).
Pete Rose = Randy Savage. Longtime recognizable stars who may or may not have done something that blackballed them from the industry.
Derek Jeter = John Cena. Two extremely talented and polarizing figures in their respective fields. Some people hate them just to hate them, but their accomplishments can't be overlooked. The modern-day faces of the sport.
Rogers Hornsby = Ric Flair. Rogers Hornsby was the National League's answer to Babe Ruth as Ric Flair was the NWA's answer to Hulk Hogan. Both were awesome talents that put up dazzling statistics, but neither could attract a national audience quite like their counterpart.
Jose Canseco = Scott Steiner. Big mouth and lots of steroids.
Dave Kingman = Sid. Two big lugs who had a reputation of making asses out of themselves in front of reporters. Big sluggers with little other talent.
Billy Martin = Paul Heyman. Volatile managers who had trouble keeping their jobs. Also both known for wearing Yankees caps.
Vin Scully = Gordon Solie. Two of the most recognized and respected voices of their sport.
Red Barber = Jim Ross. Two more legendary announcers, known for bringing a Southern flair to an unfamiliar territory and being embraced by the fans for it.
John McGraw = Jimmy Hart. Diminutive managers with a great track record of success.
I think I got carried away.
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Post by nm on Sept 6, 2012 17:43:47 GMT -5
Jinder Mahal
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Post by baronmlucafont on Sept 6, 2012 17:57:04 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2012 18:07:19 GMT -5
Roger Maris= Bill Goldberg. Is only really known for doing one amazing thing. Maris had other great years but nothing else equals breaking the Bambino's single season home run record. Goldberg could wrestle, had enormous charisma, had a decent WWE run all things considered but the undefeated streak is what he's famous for.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Sept 6, 2012 18:10:33 GMT -5
See when I think of Babe Ruth i think of a great baseball player but a player who saved the game and bought it to the mainstream first so I'd have to say Gorgeous George.
Hulk Hogan is Mark McGwire. Did one thing. Did it incredibly well and bought it all back to a popularity it hadn't seen before. Steroids bought him down and I have no analogy for the NWO.
I don't know if Sammy Sosa is Ultimate Warrior or Ric Flair. Cena is Bonds. Arguably a better wrestler but nobody like him
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Post by Celgress on Sept 6, 2012 18:17:25 GMT -5
Hogan, 'nough said
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Post by bigjoshoncampus on Sept 6, 2012 18:18:57 GMT -5
Great, now I have to make a list. Babe Ruth = Hulk Hogan. When you think baseball, you think Babe Ruth. When you think wrestling, you think Hulk Hogan. Joe DiMaggio = The Rock. Remarkable talents that spent limited time at the top of their professions (DiMaggio due to wartime, Rock leaving for a movie career). Both almost universally beloved by fans. Now, doing Mr. Coffee commercials may not be the equivalent of a multi-million dollar movie career, but then again, kissing Trish Stratus once on live TV isn't marrying Marilyn Monroe, either. Willie Mays = Shawn Michaels. Wrestlemania is sometimes referred to as WWE's All Star Game. Ted Williams once said that the All Star Game was made for Willie Mays. So who better to compare Mr. All Star Game to than Mr. Wrestlemania? Hank Aaron = Steve Austin. The personalities clash, but the accomplishments make for a great comparison. Aaron was the successor to Ruth as Austin was to Hogan. Nolan Ryan = The Undertaker. Both have had amazing longevity and have proven that, even late in their careers, they can spin a masterpiece. Ty Cobb = Roddy Piper. Known for great talent, volatility, and competitive fire. Also two of the greatest to never win a major championship. George Steinbrenner = Vince McMahon. "Evil boss" comparisons aside, they both have aggressive business instincts and do whatever it takes to win. Barry Bonds = Triple H. For one reason or another, lots of people refuse to believe that they are the "greatest of all time", no matter what anybody else says. Ted Williams = Sting. Franchise players and all-time greats. Went away for a hiatus and attempted to return as a conquering hero, only for different circumstances to develop (Williams' poor showing in the 1946 World Series, Starrcade 1997 shenanigans). Both went out with a bang (Williams' homer in his last at-bat, Sting vs. Flair on the final Nitro). Mickey Mantle = Andre the Giant. Probably the #2 most recognizable names in their professions. Both were beloved by millions, had outstanding talent in their early years, and loved to pound a beer or two (hundred). Greg Maddux = Bret Hart. Master technicians who outsmarted and outcrafted their opponents without overpowering them. Coincidentally both of their primes occurred in the same time frame. Christy Mathewson = Gorgeous George. The first true superstars of their profession. Lou Gehrig = Kurt Angle. Both all-time great talents who always seemed to be overshadowed by someone else (Gehrig by Ruth and later DiMaggio, Angle by Austin and Rock). Pete Rose = Randy Savage. Longtime recognizable stars who may or may not have done something that blackballed them from the industry. Derek Jeter = John Cena. Two extremely talented and polarizing figures in their respective fields. Some people hate them just to hate them, but their accomplishments can't be overlooked. The modern-day faces of the sport. Rogers Hornsby = Ric Flair. Rogers Hornsby was the National League's answer to Babe Ruth as Ric Flair was the NWA's answer to Hulk Hogan. Both were awesome talents that put up dazzling statistics, but neither could attract a national audience quite like their counterpart. Jose Canseco = Scott Steiner. Big mouth and lots of steroids. Dave Kingman = Sid. Two big lugs who had a reputation of making asses out of themselves in front of reporters. Big sluggers with little other talent. Billy Martin = Paul Heyman. Volatile managers who had trouble keeping their jobs. Also both known for wearing Yankees caps. Vin Scully = Gordon Solie. Two of the most recognized and respected voices of their sport. Red Barber = Jim Ross. Two more legendary announcers, known for bringing a Southern flair to an unfamiliar territory and being embraced by the fans for it. John McGraw = Jimmy Hart. Diminutive managers with a great track record of success. I think I got carried away. Bravo my friend. Allow me to add two more. Daryl Strawberry = Scott Hall. Tremendous, all-time type of talent. Horrible, bad-time type of decision making. Both still had solid careers despite their demons, but that only makes the numbers they DIDN'T end up with even more disappointing. Wade Boggs = Curt Hennig. Guys who get a solid amount of due for their tremendous work in the field retrospectively, but missed out on mega-stardom because of the time they came into the league (Hennig was around when big hosses dominated the main events and Boggs was a SABR player before SABR meant anything). Close friends in real life too.
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Post by hossfan on Sept 6, 2012 18:19:29 GMT -5
It's Hogan. He's also the Elvis Presley and John Wayne of wrestling too.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Sept 6, 2012 19:28:51 GMT -5
Assuming prowrestling existed before 1984 no way is it Hogan. Hogan is the later periods great. More of a Willie Mays or the aforementioned McGuire. The guy who influenced the way the game would be played forever after.
Babe Ruth saved baseball from obscurity and made it national. That's definitely Gorgeous George. Ty Cobb is Ed Lewis the guy who the people inside the business took their cues from. Shoeless Joe is Frank Gotch the first great one but played a dirty game. Bruno is Hammering Hank the guy who set the table for the person who's name surpassed them, in all but the few's minds. Lou Thesz Is Walter Johnson big influences and was a nightmare for opponents. Ric Flair is Ted Williams the greatest in many opinions and lived like it.
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Post by saintpat on Sept 6, 2012 19:48:10 GMT -5
Undertaker is the Lou Gehrig then, No, Gehrig was the Iron Horse. He showed up to play every day. Taker just shows up once a year to tip his cap. It's an interesting question in WWE terms because we have read over the years that VKM has long been almost obsessed with having a "Babe Ruth of Wrestling" (when the W-word wasn't a no-no) on the roster. He told Hogan, Flair and Hart all that he wanted to put them on semi-retirement contracts and use them in that capacity, there may have been others. Flair came the closest to actually accepting that job/role until he quit over a stupid dispute over being also allowed to do autograph show appearances whereas Vince wanted to keep him kind of under wraps and then trot him out from time to time to take a bow. In truth, I think Shawn has accepted that role. He stays under the radar but also fulfills the retired super-superstar role by having side roles in angles as he did with HHH-Taker and with the Brock Lesnar thing. I wonder if VKM regards HBK as being the guy that finally accepted and embraced the 'Babe Ruth' role? Of course, since the reconciliation I guess you could say Brett has kind of done that too, but in my mind to a lesser degree because his involvement hasn't been in 'Babe Ruth' level events, but more as just an occasional guest who drops by. And WTF does Honus Wagner have to do to get some love around here? I'll go with George Hackenschmidt as the Honus Wagner of wrestling.
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Post by DASH 243✅ on Sept 6, 2012 19:53:09 GMT -5
Assuming prowrestling existed before 1984 no way is it Hogan. Hogan is the later periods great. More of a Willie Mays or the aforementioned McGuire. The guy who influenced the way the game would be played forever after. Babe Ruth saved baseball from obscurity and made it national. That's definitely Gorgeous George. Ty Cobb is Ed Lewis the guy who the people inside the business took their cues from. Shoeless Joe is Frank Gotch the first great one but played a dirty game. Bruno is Hammering Hank the guy who set the table for the person who's name surpassed them, in all but the few's minds. Lou Thesz Is Walter Johnson big influences and was a nightmare for opponents. Ric Flair is Ted Williams the greatest in many opinions and lived like it. This Well said
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Post by Sajoa Moe on Sept 6, 2012 21:50:56 GMT -5
And WTF does Honus Wagner have to do to get some love around here? I'll go with George Hackenschmidt as the Honus Wagner of wrestling. I was trying to think of a Honus Wagner allegory but nothing came off the top of my head. Same with Stan Musial.
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Post by Randy Barber 4-Life on Sept 7, 2012 0:01:55 GMT -5
Bill Buckner = The Shockmaster
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Post by Slanted and Enchanted on Sept 7, 2012 0:02:13 GMT -5
Great, now I have to make a list. Babe Ruth = Hulk Hogan. When you think baseball, you think Babe Ruth. When you think wrestling, you think Hulk Hogan. Joe DiMaggio = The Rock. Remarkable talents that spent limited time at the top of their professions (DiMaggio due to wartime, Rock leaving for a movie career). Both almost universally beloved by fans. Now, doing Mr. Coffee commercials may not be the equivalent of a multi-million dollar movie career, but then again, kissing Trish Stratus once on live TV isn't marrying Marilyn Monroe, either. Willie Mays = Shawn Michaels. Wrestlemania is sometimes referred to as WWE's All Star Game. Ted Williams once said that the All Star Game was made for Willie Mays. So who better to compare Mr. All Star Game to than Mr. Wrestlemania? Hank Aaron = Steve Austin. The personalities clash, but the accomplishments make for a great comparison. Aaron was the successor to Ruth as Austin was to Hogan. Nolan Ryan = The Undertaker. Both have had amazing longevity and have proven that, even late in their careers, they can spin a masterpiece. Ty Cobb = Roddy Piper. Known for great talent, volatility, and competitive fire. Also two of the greatest to never win a major championship. George Steinbrenner = Vince McMahon. "Evil boss" comparisons aside, they both have aggressive business instincts and do whatever it takes to win. Barry Bonds = Triple H. For one reason or another, lots of people refuse to believe that they are the "greatest of all time", no matter what anybody else says. Ted Williams = Sting. Franchise players and all-time greats. Went away for a hiatus and attempted to return as a conquering hero, only for different circumstances to develop (Williams' poor showing in the 1946 World Series, Starrcade 1997 shenanigans). Both went out with a bang (Williams' homer in his last at-bat, Sting vs. Flair on the final Nitro). Mickey Mantle = Andre the Giant. Probably the #2 most recognizable names in their professions. Both were beloved by millions, had outstanding talent in their early years, and loved to pound a beer or two (hundred). Greg Maddux = Bret Hart. Master technicians who outsmarted and outcrafted their opponents without overpowering them. Coincidentally both of their primes occurred in the same time frame. Christy Mathewson = Gorgeous George. The first true superstars of their profession. Lou Gehrig = Kurt Angle. Both all-time great talents who always seemed to be overshadowed by someone else (Gehrig by Ruth and later DiMaggio, Angle by Austin and Rock). Pete Rose = Randy Savage. Longtime recognizable stars who may or may not have done something that blackballed them from the industry. Derek Jeter = John Cena. Two extremely talented and polarizing figures in their respective fields. Some people hate them just to hate them, but their accomplishments can't be overlooked. The modern-day faces of the sport. Rogers Hornsby = Ric Flair. Rogers Hornsby was the National League's answer to Babe Ruth as Ric Flair was the NWA's answer to Hulk Hogan. Both were awesome talents that put up dazzling statistics, but neither could attract a national audience quite like their counterpart. Jose Canseco = Scott Steiner. Big mouth and lots of steroids. Dave Kingman = Sid. Two big lugs who had a reputation of making asses out of themselves in front of reporters. Big sluggers with little other talent. Billy Martin = Paul Heyman. Volatile managers who had trouble keeping their jobs. Also both known for wearing Yankees caps. Vin Scully = Gordon Solie. Two of the most recognized and respected voices of their sport. Red Barber = Jim Ross. Two more legendary announcers, known for bringing a Southern flair to an unfamiliar territory and being embraced by the fans for it. John McGraw = Jimmy Hart. Diminutive managers with a great track record of success. I think I got carried away. Jim Abbot = Zach Gowen ...I'll see myself out....
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Sept 7, 2012 0:03:50 GMT -5
Alright but who is Mordecai "Three Finger" Brown
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Post by Some Guy on Sept 7, 2012 0:14:31 GMT -5
My knowledge of baseball is slim to none, but I presume Babe Ruth was the best ever So it must be Hogan. Babe Ruth was the greatest in his prime, However he stayed around long after his prime was over (Even had other players run for him after he made the hit) Not really. He was still a really good player past his prime and was never really bad, with his only meh season coming as a player/president with the Braves which he only played 28 games in. Great, now I have to make a list. Babe Ruth = Hulk Hogan. When you think baseball, you think Babe Ruth. When you think wrestling, you think Hulk Hogan. Joe DiMaggio = The Rock. Remarkable talents that spent limited time at the top of their professions (DiMaggio due to wartime, Rock leaving for a movie career). Both almost universally beloved by fans. Now, doing Mr. Coffee commercials may not be the equivalent of a multi-million dollar movie career, but then again, kissing Trish Stratus once on live TV isn't marrying Marilyn Monroe, either. Willie Mays = Shawn Michaels. Wrestlemania is sometimes referred to as WWE's All Star Game. Ted Williams once said that the All Star Game was made for Willie Mays. So who better to compare Mr. All Star Game to than Mr. Wrestlemania? Hank Aaron = Steve Austin. The personalities clash, but the accomplishments make for a great comparison. Aaron was the successor to Ruth as Austin was to Hogan. Nolan Ryan = The Undertaker. Both have had amazing longevity and have proven that, even late in their careers, they can spin a masterpiece. Ty Cobb = Roddy Piper. Known for great talent, volatility, and competitive fire. Also two of the greatest to never win a major championship. George Steinbrenner = Vince McMahon. "Evil boss" comparisons aside, they both have aggressive business instincts and do whatever it takes to win. Barry Bonds = Triple H. For one reason or another, lots of people refuse to believe that they are the "greatest of all time", no matter what anybody else says. Ted Williams = Sting. Franchise players and all-time greats. Went away for a hiatus and attempted to return as a conquering hero, only for different circumstances to develop (Williams' poor showing in the 1946 World Series, Starrcade 1997 shenanigans). Both went out with a bang (Williams' homer in his last at-bat, Sting vs. Flair on the final Nitro). Mickey Mantle = Andre the Giant. Probably the #2 most recognizable names in their professions. Both were beloved by millions, had outstanding talent in their early years, and loved to pound a beer or two (hundred). Greg Maddux = Bret Hart. Master technicians who outsmarted and outcrafted their opponents without overpowering them. Coincidentally both of their primes occurred in the same time frame. Christy Mathewson = Gorgeous George. The first true superstars of their profession. Lou Gehrig = Kurt Angle. Both all-time great talents who always seemed to be overshadowed by someone else (Gehrig by Ruth and later DiMaggio, Angle by Austin and Rock). Pete Rose = Randy Savage. Longtime recognizable stars who may or may not have done something that blackballed them from the industry. Derek Jeter = John Cena. Two extremely talented and polarizing figures in their respective fields. Some people hate them just to hate them, but their accomplishments can't be overlooked. The modern-day faces of the sport. Rogers Hornsby = Ric Flair. Rogers Hornsby was the National League's answer to Babe Ruth as Ric Flair was the NWA's answer to Hulk Hogan. Both were awesome talents that put up dazzling statistics, but neither could attract a national audience quite like their counterpart. Jose Canseco = Scott Steiner. Big mouth and lots of steroids. Dave Kingman = Sid. Two big lugs who had a reputation of making asses out of themselves in front of reporters. Big sluggers with little other talent. Billy Martin = Paul Heyman. Volatile managers who had trouble keeping their jobs. Also both known for wearing Yankees caps. Vin Scully = Gordon Solie. Two of the most recognized and respected voices of their sport. Red Barber = Jim Ross. Two more legendary announcers, known for bringing a Southern flair to an unfamiliar territory and being embraced by the fans for it. John McGraw = Jimmy Hart. Diminutive managers with a great track record of success. I think I got carried away. I won't really disagree with any of this, except Triple H with Bonds. Bonds was undoubtedly the best player of the 90s, and only became better in his late 30s/early 40s during his "roided years" (I won't get in on my beliefs here, but I'll just say I really don't attribute his success to roids). I'd rather compare him with Flair, in a guy who was incredible in the 80s and became all time great in his late 30s/early 40s, and then got blackballed to some degree (Flair fell to the wayside during the nWo ordeal, nobody would sign Bonds because of fake controversy). And the MLB doesn't try to push Bonds as an all time great (even though he is), because of their hatred for controversy.
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Post by Andy Martin on Sept 7, 2012 4:15:31 GMT -5
Ron Simmons=Jackie Robinson.
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