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Post by molson5 on Oct 1, 2012 22:35:40 GMT -5
Makes it look more real. Sometimes he won't be able to get the guy up for whatever reason. That's what I was thinking. The "impressive lift" moves are never really that impressive to me because I figure they'd never do it on TV unless they were 100% sure they could do it every time. When a guy doesn't do it for once, and has to improvise, it does make it feel more real, and it makes every impressive show of strength more impressive. No idea if that's how the company will look at it though. |
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Post by Starshine on Oct 1, 2012 22:37:45 GMT -5
IMO Tensai can't really be held at fault considering how awkward of a position Ryback lifts his opponents into for the move. Say if he tried to help positioning by jumping too much, he could risk the user losing balance and/or being dropped badly.
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Post by Corporate H on Oct 1, 2012 22:38:15 GMT -5
Because Claudios muscles are all natural and trained for strength, not looking big. Ryback seems to train only for looks like Batista and not strength like Cena or Claudio He's. Lifted. Tensai. Before. Jesus, how many times does this need to be said? He does have a point though. Ryback has a bodybuilders physique, that doesn't necessarily equate to pure strength. |
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Post by BigWill on Oct 1, 2012 22:38:52 GMT -5
Ugh. And just when I thought this meme was finally dead...
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Post by unholyminion on Oct 1, 2012 22:39:40 GMT -5
He's. Lifted. Tensai. Before. Jesus, how many times does this need to be said? He does have a point though. Ryback has a bodybuilders physique, that doesn't necessarily equate to pure strength. And Cena doesn't? |
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Post by molson5 on Oct 1, 2012 22:41:44 GMT -5
He does have a point though. Ryback has a bodybuilders physique, that doesn't necessarily equate to pure strength. And Cena doesn't? Cena is as strong as hell, "bodybuilder's physique" or not. |
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Post by Corporate H on Oct 1, 2012 22:43:56 GMT -5
He does have a point though. Ryback has a bodybuilders physique, that doesn't necessarily equate to pure strength. And Cena doesn't? I'd say he's a combination of both really..he's certainly big but he doesn't have that overly puffy look of guys like say Batista, another guy who had trouble powerbombing Booker T..Goldberg is a good example of somebody with more of a strength-trainer body. I don't know John Cena's routine, but I'm sure it isn't all about high reps. |
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Post by saintpat on Oct 1, 2012 22:44:10 GMT -5
Because Claudios muscles are all natural and trained for strength, not looking big. Ryback seems to train only for looks like Batista and not strength like Cena or Claudio He's. Lifted. Tensai. Before. Jesus, how many times does this need to be said? What is the point? What hurts his gimmick is that he's booked as a freakishly strong guy and right now, when he's getting his first big push and there's more of a spotlight on him than ever before, he didn't pull of a strongman spot -- a spot that he has to pull off every single match. It doesn't matter if he's done it 1,000 times before when nobody was looking. It matters that he doesn't look as strong now as he did, and specifically he looks less strong when there was more attention on him. The ability to do this is directly tied to his gimmick, his character, what they are selling him as. If the WWE powers see this at this time and have doubt that he'll be able to pull it off against other big guys, cue plug pulling. That he has done it before has no bearing on the damage done to his gimmick and his push. |
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Post by unholyminion on Oct 1, 2012 22:46:07 GMT -5
He's. Lifted. Tensai. Before. Jesus, how many times does this need to be said? What is the point? What hurts his gimmick is that he's booked as a freakishly strong guy and right now, when he's getting his first big push and there's more of a spotlight on him than ever before, he didn't pull of a strongman spot -- a spot that he has to pull off every single match. It doesn't matter if he's done it 1,000 times before when nobody was looking. It matters that he doesn't look as strong now as he did, and specifically he looks less strong when there was more attention on him. The ability to do this is directly tied to his gimmick, his character, what they are selling him as. If the WWE powers see this at this time and have doubt that he'll be able to pull it off against other big guys, cue plug pulling. That he has done it before has no bearing on the damage done to his gimmick and his push. It's a botch. It happens. I doubt it'll effect anything in the long run. Jesus, don't over-analyze shit so much. |
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Post by Jeremy on Oct 1, 2012 22:47:57 GMT -5
Cena is as strong as hell, "bodybuilder's physique" or not. Exactly. Cena is a cyborg. He should not be involved in this conversation. Brock or Mark Henry either. Cesaro, Goldberg, Tensai, Kane should. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2012 22:48:00 GMT -5
Come to think of it, the guy has two job to Ryback twice in a row, there's probably something up backstage..I don't normally look into backstage politics but he went from being a monster who destroyed top competitors like Cena to being "feed" to Ryback in short order on both national television shows. I have a feeling he'll either be repackaged or never heard about again. It's hard for a 370 pound man to "jump" when he's on his tippy-toes with one foot on the ground. Tensai didn't sandbag him, they just couldn't get the timing perfect and Ryback couldn't muscle him up. It's the move, it's stupid when he's doing it to someone bigger than him. I can see what you're saying, but he has the leverage of Ryback holding him to get up there. I dunno, didn't even really seem like he even tried. It's not necessarily a "jump" as much as it's like a spring to make yourself lighter. I used to get s*** for "sandbagging" all the time in wrestling school, but it was really just me not knowing any better and not applying the proper support. Well I've not been to wrestling school so I'll defer to your judgement, it looks like a tough move to go up lightly for but maybe he didn't do as well as he could've. |
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Post by Corporate H on Oct 1, 2012 22:51:05 GMT -5
The only thing that really bothers me about this whole thing whether it was a botch or shenanigans is Ryback yelling "STUPID" to Tensai..who the hell is this guy? Who taught him wrestling etiquette? As far as I can tell he's way behind the pecking order of respect, Albert is a veteran of fifteen plus years. Kinda made me not like the guy just for the disrespect, could care less about the botch.
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Post by Jeremy on Oct 1, 2012 22:52:09 GMT -5
The only thing that really bothers me about this whole thing whether it was a botch or shenanigans is Ryback yelling "STUPID" to Tensai..who the hell is this guy? Who taught him wrestling etiquette? As far as I can tell he's way behind the pecking order of respect, Albert is a veteran of fifteen plus years. Kinda made me not like the guy just for the disrespect, could care less about the botch. I think it was determined in another thread he said "Screw This". |
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Post by Corporate H on Oct 1, 2012 22:56:59 GMT -5
The only thing that really bothers me about this whole thing whether it was a botch or shenanigans is Ryback yelling "STUPID" to Tensai..who the hell is this guy? Who taught him wrestling etiquette? As far as I can tell he's way behind the pecking order of respect, Albert is a veteran of fifteen plus years. Kinda made me not like the guy just for the disrespect, could care less about the botch. I think it was determined in another thread he said "Screw This". I dunno, I'm watching the clip now and I hear "STU-PID" and see him yell something after the win too..I dunno, I kinda hope he didn't say it, doesn't really send a good message. I mean, it's one thing for Orton who's a known hot-head and has paid his dues to say it, but that's kinda ridiculous..well either way it sucks, but you know what I mean. |
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Post by Big Kahuna Burger on Oct 1, 2012 23:02:20 GMT -5
I think it was determined in another thread he said "Screw This". I dunno, I'm watching the clip now and I hear "STU-PID" and see him yell something after the win too..I dunno, I kinda hope he didn't say it, doesn't really send a good message. I mean, it's one thing for Orton who's a known hot-head and has paid his dues to say it, but that's kinda ridiculous..well either way it sucks, but you know what I mean. What he yelled at Tensai immediately after the pin appeared to be "CHUMP" to me. |
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Post by Jeremy on Oct 1, 2012 23:03:34 GMT -5
I dunno, I'm watching the clip now and I hear "STU-PID" and see him yell something after the win too..I dunno, I kinda hope he didn't say it, doesn't really send a good message. I mean, it's one thing for Orton who's a known hot-head and has paid his dues to say it, but that's kinda ridiculous..well either way it sucks, but you know what I mean. What he yelled at Tensai immediately after the pin appeared to be "CHUMP" to me. Because he just annihilated a man and wants more food. |
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Post by Cronant on Oct 1, 2012 23:04:11 GMT -5
Cena is as strong as hell, "bodybuilder's physique" or not. Exactly. Cena is a cyborg. He should not be involved in this conversation. Brock or Mark Henry either. The gods of strength. |
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Post by BigWill on Oct 1, 2012 23:07:49 GMT -5
The only thing that really bothers me about this whole thing whether it was a botch or shenanigans is Ryback yelling "STUPID" to Tensai..who the hell is this guy? Who taught him wrestling etiquette? As far as I can tell he's way behind the pecking order of respect, Albert is a veteran of fifteen plus years. Kinda made me not like the guy just for the disrespect, could care less about the botch. He calls his opponents stupid during all his matches. It wasn't something personal against Tensai. |
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Post by Ecks Ecks Ringout Ecks Ecks on Oct 1, 2012 23:28:34 GMT -5
I am admittedly not a wrestler, but I'm perplexed how "sandbagging" can really be a factor with this particular move.
I totally understand how you can sandbag someone on a move like a powerbomb (distribution of body weight, failure to spring up with both legs, etc.) but for Ryback's finisher, it looks like 90% of the work is done by the guy doing the lifting. With only one leg touching the mat during the setup, and his body bent so far to the side, how much "lift" can the opponent really add in this case?
Of course, any actual wrestlers are welcome to tell me I'm full of crap. I'm just judging on apparent physics.
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Post by BigWill on Oct 1, 2012 23:33:23 GMT -5
Cena is as strong as hell, "bodybuilder's physique" or not. Exactly. Cena is a cyborg. He should not be involved in this conversation. Brock or Mark Henry either. Add Ezekiel Jackson to that list as wll. Even though he ain't got no cuts, he's a beast in the strength department. |
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