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Post by héad.casé on Oct 8, 2012 6:37:21 GMT -5
I watched a clip of Bart Gunn's shoot interview, though I can't find it now, but he mentioned that he was ribbed about knocking out "J.R's Boy", because Dr Death was supposed to come in with a big push, and as soon as Bart knocked him out, he believes that J.R was burying him to everyone & that's why they didn't capitalise on Bart's momentum from winning the Brawl For All.
I did kinda wonder where he went a while after the tournament. Talk about a chance to make a new star.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Oct 8, 2012 6:39:22 GMT -5
I dunno. It's possible, but at the same time, it could just as easily be attributed to Bart's absolute lack of anything resembling charisma.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2012 6:44:31 GMT -5
Or the fact that Butterbean killed him
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Oct 8, 2012 6:54:19 GMT -5
Or the fact that Butterbean killed him Well, that was ufortunate, yeah, but there was a period after Brawl For All where Gunn just seemingly disappeared, THEN he lost to Butterbean. There was no upside to that.
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Post by dbostick on Oct 8, 2012 6:56:20 GMT -5
No, it's because Bart Gunn wasn't meant to be marketable like that.
The only way they could've REALLY capitalized on Gunn's BFA win was if he could prove his true toughness by beating Butterball. He knocked out Williams (who WWF fans probably never heard of) and Bradshaw. Big deal.
Of course, everyone knew he'd never win against Buttuh and was lead to slaughter.
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Post by hassanchop on Oct 8, 2012 7:15:18 GMT -5
People did seem to get behind Bart after he knocked out the Doc, maybe because they see he could fight from there.
At 6:20 Bart Gunn says a few things about the Brawl For All. Language warning.
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Post by Sephiroth on Oct 8, 2012 7:16:48 GMT -5
I would not be completely amazed, in all honesty, because such situations are known to happen in wrestling. WWE wanted to give Dr Death a big push, and getting KO'd by perpetual mid-carder Bart Gunn put the kaibosh on it, so they buried Gunn for wrecking their plans. Sounds plausible.
That said, it is a bit more realistic that really there was just no real momentum for him. He knocked out a guy few WWF fans were familiar with at that time and a bunch of mid-carders in a tournament that fans hated and were bored with. Getting knocked out by Butterbean in a matter of seconds officially destroyed his WWF career. That said, I do think they could have given him a mid-card push as a "knockout artist" after brawl for all, and they even touched briefly on the idea of feuding him with Bob Holly. Could have worked if they had given it some more effort.
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Post by YiHammer on Oct 8, 2012 7:54:24 GMT -5
JR and Dr.Death were best friends before Death went to WCW. I believe it
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Oct 8, 2012 8:01:01 GMT -5
Would Dr. Death have been put in a match with no upside against Butterbean had he won the brawl for all? Of course not, so it's pretty obvious Bart was punished for winning a shoot competition by someone on the booking team. That was a match with no positives for Gunn, if he won, he would have beaten a fat guy no-one cared about, if he lost, well, we all saw how that went.
He wouldn't have gone on to main event, but he should have gone on to be a solid midcard tough guy, like Bradshaw and Bob Holly, both of who were beaten by Gunn, but after losing to Butterbean, there was no way that was ever going to happen.
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Post by hassanchop on Oct 8, 2012 8:13:12 GMT -5
What if someone else won instead of Bart Gunn? I mean after he knocks out the Doctor, and someone else in the finals won instead of him(Like Bradshaw, Godfather, Droz, Blackman, Brakkus, Hawk) would they put that person against Butterbean, or bury the person that knocks out Bart?
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Post by sagsag on Oct 8, 2012 8:13:16 GMT -5
A lot of people forget that the Butterbean match was like a year later. Gunn won the Brawl For All, was pretty goddamn over during it, and then they took him off TV for two months. The next time he appeared was after Hardcore Holly won the hardcore title, and Gunn came out to confront him, and he had a haircut, and was wearing jeans and a generic WWF shirt. Nobody knew who he was. They then proceeded to do nothing with him.
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Post by crowwreak was WRONG on Oct 8, 2012 11:36:29 GMT -5
Didn't he get fired the moment he got backstage after the Butterbean fight?
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Post by Metalheadbanger Man on Oct 8, 2012 12:11:56 GMT -5
I remember they had a segment where he berated JR for only talking about Dr Death, and not the fact that he won. He also knocked out Vader, because they were burying Vader hard at this time.
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Post by mizerable on Oct 8, 2012 12:38:05 GMT -5
Yeah, I have no doubts that if Williams won it, he wouldn't have been fed to Butterbean, who was a freakin monster at the time.
Charisma be damned, he could've been booked as a tough badass who didn't have to say much, much like Blackman. Hell, he did kind of get over from winning...so what was wrong?
That's typical WWE...any time they have a real competitive contest, they usually bury the winners for whatever reason. See; Tough Enough, Diva Search, NXT
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Oct 8, 2012 12:56:03 GMT -5
Yeah, I have no doubts that if Williams won it, he wouldn't have been fed to Butterbean, who was a freakin monster at the time. Charisma be damned, he could've been booked as a tough badass who didn't have to say much, much like Blackman. Hell, he did kind of get over from winning...so what was wrong? That's typical WWE...any time they have a real competitive contest, they usually bury the winners for whatever reason. See; Tough Enough, Diva Search, NXT Meh, Christie Hemme did alright, but in general, yeah, true.
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Post by nWoElite on Oct 8, 2012 12:56:43 GMT -5
Eh, I don't see it. I mean, part of me WANTS to believe it, but the fact is he got Knocked out by a blob named ButterBean who got beat by a 54 year old Larry Holmes. Bart could never recover from that because everyone was talking about the K.O. Even people I knew who weren't wrestling fans knew about Bart getting knocked out. So no, he wasn't buried by anything but Butterbeans gloves.
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Post by hitch on Oct 8, 2012 13:05:09 GMT -5
JR has never been even handed. Times where he's outright buried someone may have been limited but you can tell he puts over his boys with much more passion than he does anything/anyone else on the roster. He's always been that way. Maybe he thinks that his boys reflect on him to the management so he wants to build them up more to make them look bigger. He's the first commentator, PBP, who I think it's quite easy to tell who he roots for and who he doesn't.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Oct 8, 2012 13:40:13 GMT -5
I don't doubt this at all.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Oct 8, 2012 13:41:46 GMT -5
I don't doubt this at all. I'm sticking with "plausible, but unlikely" as my stance. I don't think JR is necessarily above that kind of power play to protect one of his "boys", but at the same time, way more factors were working against Bart Gunn than just JR.
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 8, 2012 13:47:41 GMT -5
The Brawl for All should have been a work. As a means of introducing Dr Death to a WWF audience. Having a shoot competition was a disasterous idea.
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