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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Oct 8, 2012 13:58:38 GMT -5
I don't doubt this at all. I'm sticking with "plausible, but unlikely" as my stance. I don't think JR is necessarily above that kind of power play to protect one of his "boys", but at the same time, way more factors were working against Bart Gunn than just JR. Sure, but I also think JR gets a pass from alot of people because he is well liked among the fans.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Oct 8, 2012 14:21:14 GMT -5
Didn't Bart Gunn only get the win over Dr Death because Dr Death screwed up his knee in that match?
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Post by hassanchop on Oct 8, 2012 14:31:36 GMT -5
Didn't Bart Gunn only get the win over Dr Death because Dr Death screwed up his knee in that match? Yes, after two take downs by Bart Gunn. I remember after his bout with Godfather he went to the announce booth and told JR he demands respect and JR says he's earning it.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Oct 8, 2012 14:32:41 GMT -5
Didn't Bart Gunn only get the win over Dr Death because Dr Death screwed up his knee in that match? Yes, after two take downs by Bart Gunn. Thought so because I remember Jim Cornette talking about how different it would have been had that not happened in the match.
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Post by hassanchop on Oct 8, 2012 14:34:35 GMT -5
Well maybe, this was from one comment I saw on youtube, they could've screwed Bart over by saying that the Doc was saved by the bell. Then again, that would make the whole authenticity of the the tournament questionable and some folks will believe that it is a work after all.
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Post by rydndirty on Oct 8, 2012 14:41:08 GMT -5
People did seem to get behind Bart after he knocked out the Doc, maybe because they see he could fight from there. At 6:20 Bart Gunn says a few things about the Brawl For All. Language warning. Bart Gunn looks like an older, gassed-up Orton in that video. Uncanny.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Oct 8, 2012 15:11:12 GMT -5
Absolutely. Yes, losing to Butterbean ended any momentum he may have had but would they have done that to Dr. Death had he won? No way he would have even been booked in a match with no upside if he had the momentum of the BFA win.
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Post by The Ichi on Oct 8, 2012 15:14:14 GMT -5
On one hand, J.R. sounds like a douche so I can believe it, on the other...it's Bart Gunn. Winning a one time fighting contest (that was deemed a disaster) aside, he was the Jannety of The Smoking Guns...not a compliment.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Oct 8, 2012 15:40:58 GMT -5
I do know that Dr Death getting injured and losing to Gunn was the catalyst for the JR/Dr Death friendship to end... something about Dr Death being set up by JR to be humiliated or something. At least, according to Jim Cornette.
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Post by dbostick on Oct 8, 2012 16:19:00 GMT -5
Be freakin glad Bart Gunn knocked out Dr. Death.
I think they were planning on having Williams no-sell the Stunner when he was going to be booked with Austin after the BFA.
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Post by hassanchop on Oct 8, 2012 23:31:38 GMT -5
The question, would Austin be willing to work with Dr. Death back then? I mean wasn't his move like suplexing people on the back of their necks? And didn't Austin get enough injuries there that year?
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Post by celticjobber on Oct 8, 2012 23:55:21 GMT -5
WWE was pissed because they brought in Dr. Death for a huge feud with Stone Cold. And they had to put the kibosh on it after Williams was knocked out by a midcard geek like Bart Gunn.
As for the Butterbean fight, I don't think anyone really thought Bart stood a chance against a trained professional boxer.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Oct 9, 2012 1:15:22 GMT -5
The idiotic thing is that they worked the rest of the tournament AFTER Bart knocked out Williams. (Unless we're stupid enough to believe that he then happened to magically knock out everyone else he faced afterward.)
So, they make a fake tournament, end up working it anyway, and then deliberately wreck the career of the guy they scripted to win by having him unscriptedly fighting someone he had no chance against. This company sucks.
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Post by hassanchop on Oct 9, 2012 4:32:38 GMT -5
Was it worked afterwards?
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Oct 9, 2012 4:34:16 GMT -5
Yes, after two take downs by Bart Gunn. Thought so because I remember Jim Cornette talking about how different it would have been had that not happened in the match. Well that, and Gunn was younger, had a less battered body and had experience in the toughman competitions Brawl For All was based on. I'm on the believing they screwed Bart over camp. Holding a tournament, then taking the guy who wins it off of TV for months so he loses all momentum, then hiring a professional fighter to disprove the one marketable thing about the guy? This wasn't WCW. And as many have said, would any of this happened if Dr Death won? Or would he at the very least been pushed in the midcard as a bad ass who beat all these men in brutal competition?
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Post by chazraps on Oct 9, 2012 12:05:03 GMT -5
Didn't Bart Gunn only get the win over Dr Death because Dr Death screwed up his knee in that match? Yes, after two take downs by Bart Gunn. I remember after his bout with Godfather he went to the announce booth and told JR he demands respect and JR says he's earning it. So you're telling me Bart Gunn only won the match because he was victorious?
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Post by hassanchop on Oct 9, 2012 12:25:25 GMT -5
Yes
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Post by Ryushinku on Oct 9, 2012 12:27:07 GMT -5
Was it worked afterwards? That's what I'd heard too, anyway. After what happened with Williams, and a couple others injured beforehand, they kinda threw their hands up in the air about the original idea and just worked it from then on.
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Post by hassanchop on Oct 9, 2012 12:35:18 GMT -5
I still wonder, what if instead of Bart Gunn winning, assuming they continue to make it a shoot, someone else wins and either knocks Bart Gunn or win by points, would that person be pushed or fed to Butterbean?
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Post by kingoftheindies on Oct 9, 2012 14:41:23 GMT -5
I don't remember if it was Cornette, Russo, or Ferrara but one of the three said in an interview that JR got a lot of heat for Dr. Death losing as he hyped him up quite a bit and was the one that was positive that the BFA would lead to Dr. Death becoming a top contender for Stone Cold.
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