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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Nov 14, 2012 21:54:08 GMT -5
There's two of them, and three of us.
I seriously thought that Jazzman was the guy. I've been wrong on both him and and Spiked... but they were sending my scum vibes into overdrive.
All I can think now is that Evil M and J are scum. Then again, Mr 3MB REALLY likes to drop the hammer in these games, I'm noticing. I saw you as town, but now I'm not so sure anymore.
Evil M is the only one left that didn't vote for Lodi on Day 1... and Produceman seems to be following me on every vote. I am town, and although I cannot reveal my role, all I can say is that Jono DID protect me from a mafia night kill. Why mafia would night kill one of their own, I have no idea.
Also, it looks like Mafia took the strategy that we mentioned last day phase in getting rid of Jono, and I'm sure if we lynch correctly, the next kill is Mr 3MB -- IF you are town.
Mr 3MB, what was your action last night?
I'm thinking we do not vote right away since if one town votes for another, the last two scum will just dogpile on the vote.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Nov 14, 2012 22:16:02 GMT -5
Last night I blocked J.
Yeah, I agree with that. We absolutely should not vote until we are certain about it.
As for the hammer vote yesterday I am admittedly a tad impulsive when it comes to things; sometimes I don't think things entirely through before I commit to them. But again I have been absolutely honest about my role up to this point. Not to mention this was my first hammer vote of this particular game.
I took a huge gamble revealing myself like that, something that Mafia simply would not do.
And yeah, if we survive I'm certain I'm the next to go. That's fine with me though since I have no reason to cling on.
I feel that we have at least one Mafia member voting, possibly even two. Which means it would have to be either you or Produceman. If only one has been voting that means that the other scum would have to be either M or J. And right now I have no idea who is who.
Produceman is a real enigma. I really don't know what to make of him. I thought for certain that he was scum at first, but now I'm not so certain.
So let's try this: who right now is everybody's top three suspects and why?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2012 23:39:48 GMT -5
My top three suspects:
Natural Zack Produceman
Natural, I can believe that you are a roleblocker. However, how do we know that you're TOWN roleblocker? Yeah, two nights in a row, no night kills, but how do we know that wasn't because the targets were protected by Jono? The fact that Jono is now dead, after you gained his trust, is also pretty interesting.
Zack, since very early on, I've been on your list, just because I didn't vote to lynch Lodi. How that makes me a suspect, I don't know. I notice you didn't vote to lynch him either. In fact, you voted someone else, the only other person to get votes that day phase.
Produceman, I'm less suspicious of, but in the event of Natural being town, I'd say Produce has to be mafia. Has to be one or the other.
At this point, the game hinges on us being right. So I'm going to take a risk here and hope it pays off for us.
Vote: Mr. 3MB Natural
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Nov 14, 2012 23:46:14 GMT -5
You're making a huge mistake here.
Yes, it is possible that I could be a Mafia Roleblocker, but again I ask you why would I take such a huge risk AND claim that I would lynch myself if someone didn't come up as Mafia?
It's pretty much confirmed right now that there are two scum left; if one of them sacrificed themselves earlier in the game than that would have just made it more difficult for the Mafia to win in the end. If I were Mafia that would be a monumentally stupid move on my part.
Trust me, you've got the wrong person here. Remember also that I was one of those who voted to lynch the Godfather. Again why would I do that if I was Mafia? That's would be outright insane on my part.
Not to mention that if we fail here than we won't have a second chance to pursue Produceman. That's why we should hold off on voting until we are absolutely sure we're making the right choice. One placed vote and the Mafia could swoop in and put us down for good.
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Post by Big Bad Brad on Nov 14, 2012 23:51:19 GMT -5
Voting "Lil" Mr. B Natural (1): Evil BunnyTaker sMurf
Non-Voting "Lil" Mr. B Natural J Zack Morris Is Insane Produceman
With 5 of you 3 votes is needed for a lynch.
Deadline is Monday - November 19th at 11:00 PM Eastern Time
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2012 23:55:41 GMT -5
Produceman also voted to lynch Lodi. So that's a weak defense. Looking at the votes alone, wouldn't it be cut and dry that since we're the only two left who didn't vote for Lodi, that we must be the scum? Yet Zack and I are both accusing the other one. Why would we want to put a target on each other when a potential victory is within reach? It would be a ridiculous play.
The more I think about it, the more right I think I am. I wouldn't cast that vote if I wasn't certain I had the right man.
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on Nov 15, 2012 0:02:25 GMT -5
My top three are
J- been very under the radar the entire game. I suspected him back on day 2 and feel now that i was on the right track.
I'm torn between Zack and you, Natural for the active scum in the game. Zack claimed that I've followed his vote the whole game which is not true. I voted J day 2 because figured out that Antihero was town and actively tried to persuade the town to stop the lynch. also last day phase I voted Jazzman first and Zack voted third, pushing him one vote away from the hammer.
That leads me to Natural. He did in fact drop the hammer on Jazzman. He claims to be a role blocker but is he town or Mafia? I'm not sure anymore. He went after me very hard but changed his tune when Jono called him on it.
I'm still not sure how i'm going to vote yet.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Nov 15, 2012 0:19:34 GMT -5
The reason I dropped my suspicion is because I thought Jono cleared your name when he said he protected you. But thinking back I'm not sure if he had any idea if his protection was the reason the kills failed. Chances are also it could have been the hider who simply managed to avoid being night-killed both nights. Or it could even have been a combination of all three of our actions.
Honestly it was a hunch, a strong hunch due to the events of the game. I'll admit it was spur of the moment, but again I had no ill intention behind it. And I wanted to try and jump start things so he could all begin working towards nailing the remaining scum. That's why I made such a brazen move.
What can I do to get you to believe I have the town's best interests in mind? I'm willing to do anything at this point, but I will not sit back without defending myself when the safety and well being of the town hangs in the balance.
J is definitely someone I've been suspicious about as well, especially recently. If he is scum then that would clear Morris, I think, since I don't see why scum would vote for another scum on Day One. Especially when their boss was in the midst of being lynched soon after.
Which if we consider that we're left with only three suspects: J, M, and you. And honestly at this point I don't know what to believe.
Right now if I had to vote for somebody I feel I would lean towards J. He's the one person that we can all agree has been laying low for a majority of this game.
I repeat, we cannot afford to make the wrong decision here. All I ask of everyone is that you think long and hard about how you vote. A proper lynch is the only way we're going to have a chance at the turning the tide once more.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2012 0:26:59 GMT -5
Geez, we're all over the place. I think the common denominator here is J. Funny that both Produce and Natural are pushing for J right now. Because he's been under the radar this whole time.
Look, there are two people I truly believe(d) were town, one is J, the other was Antihero. And I was right about Antihero. I'd like to believe I'm right about J as well.
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on Nov 15, 2012 0:50:27 GMT -5
M why do you feel J is town?
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Nov 15, 2012 16:22:02 GMT -5
Well here's something I overlooked in the write-up: apparently Jono had been protecting HIMSELF a few times during the game. I didn't even envision that as a possibility to be honest.
The fact that he was prevented from doing so definitely tells me the Mafia has a roleblocker amongst them.
Now why would I bring this fact to light if I were that Mafia Roleblocker?
If we assume that I believe we are looking at two remaining roles: a Roleblocker and a mere goon in the Mafia camp.
Obviously the fact that the Mafia kills failed two nights in a row means that our dastardly Roleblocker whiffed twice in regards to blocking Jono/Mason, or they were possibly blocked themselves. I wonder, perhaps if they tried to attack Jono first, then Mason the next night and both attempts were blocked?
Perhaps a perusal over the past few days of the game when they were still alive might shed some light on our perpetrators?
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on Nov 15, 2012 16:50:53 GMT -5
Well here's something I overlooked in the write-up: apparently Jono had been protecting HIMSELF a few times during the game. I didn't even envision that as a possibility to be honest. The fact that he was prevented from doing so definitely tells me the Mafia has a roleblocker amongst them. Now why would I bring this fact to light if I were that Mafia Roleblocker? If we assume that I believe we are looking at two remaining roles: a Roleblocker and a mere goon in the Mafia camp. Obviously the fact that the Mafia kills failed two nights in a row means that our dastardly Roleblocker whiffed twice in regards to blocking Jono/Mason, or they were possibly blocked themselves. I wonder, perhaps if they tried to attack Jono first, then Mason the next night and both attempts were blocked? Perhaps a perusal over the past few days of the game when they were still alive might shed some light on our perpetrators? I'm inclined to believe you, however, if there are 2 Mafia we are in LyLo and such a claim could be made to appear town. It's a small possibility, but I don't think you're lying. That said, i'm looking at either J or Zack being the Mafia roleblocker, still leaning J since he's sat back and done nothing the last few game days and let us lynch ourselves while he laughs at our misfortune
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Post by J on Nov 15, 2012 17:09:34 GMT -5
That said, i'm looking at either J or Zack being the Mafia roleblocker, still leaning J since he's sat back and done nothing the last few game days and let us lynch ourselves while he laughs at our misfortune Sounds a bit melodramatic don't you think? Also I did stick my neck out for you (eventhough it turned out to be the wrong decision). If you are town why would try to keep you from being lynched if I were mafia. I would have just dropped the hammer on you. Im neither mafia nor roleblocker. Im quite vanilla really.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Nov 15, 2012 17:56:42 GMT -5
Evil M -- the whole voting thing, still. Although no one else on my list flipped scum, I'm guessing he's the one on that list that is going to flip. Also, don't understand his vote on Mr B when he tries to fight it by saying either myself or him are scum -- if that were the case with his logic, shouldn't his vote go towards me?
J -- Just uneasy on him. I know I tried to make a point in the first day phase by voting him, and then we saw a bandwagon form on Antihero *a bandwagon that yielded GREAT results btw* but since then he has been very very quiet.
Mr 3MB -- Only because I believe Jono protected Produceman earlier in the game, saving him from being night killed. That makes me feel that Produceman is town. Jono protected me as well, and scum didn't get a kill either, so not sure why I'm on people's radars at all.
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Post by J on Nov 15, 2012 18:11:08 GMT -5
Evil M -- the whole voting thing, still. Although no one else on my list flipped scum, I'm guessing he's the one on that list that is going to flip. Also, don't understand his vote on Mr B when he tries to fight it by saying either myself or him are scum -- if that were the case with his logic, shouldn't his vote go towards me? Im torn on the whole voting thing as well. Ive had to rethink my previous stance about no mafia votes being in that godfather lynch. It looks like there has to be one. But there is no possible way that all the people who did not vote in that lynch all turn up town.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Nov 15, 2012 18:20:54 GMT -5
I think the only vote from Mafia on their boss that would make sense would be a Hammer vote. If nothing else it would be a way for scum to make themselves look innocent in the face of the town. That or the person in question being a usurper, but I honestly don't buy that Brad put one of those in this particular game.
If I were Mafia I'd want to protect the boss as much as possible. After all the Godfather is a powerful role that is difficult to get rid of. Why sacrifice them unless you knew there was no chance of saving him?
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Post by J on Nov 15, 2012 18:25:34 GMT -5
I was the hammer vote on that lynch, and i know for a fact im not mafia. I believe thatleaves evil m and zack as the non voters.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Nov 15, 2012 18:42:29 GMT -5
Bret was the mafia leader... hmm.
I'm not sure what to do. J has been in and out of getting lynched; when he got pretty high up there earlier in the game, Produceman stepped in and defended him.
I see Produceman as town, but am I wrong on that? BTW, I'm just rereading the thread... second guessing myself on everything. Something doesn't feel right... we had this game, and yet we are being led to lynch our own every day phase since!
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Nov 15, 2012 18:59:11 GMT -5
Indeed, it really is strange how our luck could turn sour so quickly; we've come up on bad lead after bad lead.
We've got plenty of time to come to a decision, at least. As long as we take our time and don't jump the gun I have a feeling we can turn this thing around.
But we have to lynch somebody; if we fail to come to a consensus then we're pretty much screwed as well. However, if we lynch the wrong person we're also out of luck.
We've got a 40 percent chance of striking scum, but I'm still not sure where we should be looking. Hopefully we can figure it out before it's too late.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2012 18:59:52 GMT -5
Zack, I'm was pointing out the flaw in your reason for suspecting me. Not voting for Lodi. Why does that make me suspicious but not you? In theory, it should be cut and dry, we're the scum, lynch us and be done. But it's obviously not that simple, is it?
As you pointed out, we did have this game for one day, before being led to lynch our own. Doesn't that make the mafia's game pretty obvious? Sacrifice the godfather to make the remaining members appear to be definite town. Seeing how easily they've owned us from Night 1 onwards, I think we've been looking at the wrong people.
J, Natural, and Produce, two of them MUST be Mafia. I'm targeting Natural because I truly believe he's the mafia roleblocker. The reason nobody called BS is because there never was a town roleblocker. He roleclaimed, hoping to draw out the doctor and lo and behold, Jono took the bait, hook line and sinker.
I'm urging you all to really think about this. We have one shot to win this and Natural's the guy we want.
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