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Post by saintpat on Nov 20, 2012 0:49:02 GMT -5
I think the reign is designed to make Punk, not the belt, more meaningful.
Like all things, it will come to an end, and when it does Punk will have been 'made' as a long-term main eventer. He is, essentially, replacing Triple H in the pecking order. Forever it was Cena-HHH-Orton, and that cycle has been broken -- Cena and Orton have been more out of the title picture than in it for the longest. Raw and the WWE title have revolved around Punk, and he'll keep that rub going forward as Cena and Orton become champions again.
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Post by Been burned too many times on Nov 20, 2012 1:03:27 GMT -5
Just to say "It's long" ? My point is I don't care how long it is, it's the content of the reign that matters. Though I did enjoy the Daniel Bryan feud, the second half of the Jericho feud and the mini-feud with Mark Henry. What I meant was, when they choose someone new to put the title on they are essentially choosing to sell a story. A story that doesn't necessarily need to involve the history or prestige. Yes they are choosing to give punk a long reign. but the merit is no different then when Cena had his long reign either. It's purpose was, look how good Cena is. And when HHH had his reign of terror, the purpose was look how good he is. I just don't get the necessity of this argument about prestige. It's not like a real title belt that once was held by great fighters and is now defended by bum fighters. A fake title, given to people as a prop to sell a story doesn't have prestige IMO. Rather it's a tool to say this guy is cool and we want to sell him to the crowd for now. I guess...my thing is I just don't care about that story. Maybe it's the lack of interesting feuds for him now.
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Post by Juice on Nov 20, 2012 1:07:41 GMT -5
What I meant was, when they choose someone new to put the title on they are essentially choosing to sell a story. A story that doesn't necessarily need to involve the history or prestige. Yes they are choosing to give punk a long reign. but the merit is no different then when Cena had his long reign either. It's purpose was, look how good Cena is. And when HHH had his reign of terror, the purpose was look how good he is. I just don't get the necessity of this argument about prestige. It's not like a real title belt that once was held by great fighters and is now defended by bum fighters. A fake title, given to people as a prop to sell a story doesn't have prestige IMO. Rather it's a tool to say this guy is cool and we want to sell him to the crowd for now. I guess...my thing is I just don't care about that story. Maybe it's the lack of interesting feuds for him now. That I can definitely agree with. Although, his reign has been a lot more interesting than Sheamuses was. I felt his face run as champ was good until all the AJ stuff, and I feel like Punks character became Cena lite. with all the stupid humor anc childish digs. When months earlier he was making groundbreaking voice of the voiceless promos. I know a lot of people are not liking the heel turn, but I think it revitalized Punk.
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Post by Been burned too many times on Nov 20, 2012 1:11:56 GMT -5
I guess...my thing is I just don't care about that story. Maybe it's the lack of interesting feuds for him now. That I can definitely agree with. Although, his reign has been a lot more interesting than Sheamuses was. I felt his face run as champ was good until all the AJ stuff, and I feel like Punks character became Cena lite. with all the stupid humor anc childish digs. When months earlier he was making groundbreaking voice of the voiceless promos. I know a lot of people are not liking the heel turn, but I think it revitalized Punk. Yeah I agree it's more interesting than Sheamus' run was. I liked his face run up until AJ got involved too then it kinda...eh.....then it started to pick up a little more steam after he stopped pretending like he wasn't turning heel after attacking the Rock at Raw 1000. edited for typos.
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Post by Ecks Ecks Ringout Ecks Ecks on Nov 20, 2012 1:31:30 GMT -5
I'll disagree with the majority here -- I think the title is definitely more meaningful. Perhaps not astonishingly so, and the belt itself still looks like a cheap piece of junk, but they've actually been playing up the significance of the reign on TV for quite a while now. In my book, any focus on the belt itself = more importance, even if not all of Punk's feuds were primarily about contenders chasing the strap.
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Post by YiHammer on Nov 20, 2012 1:42:58 GMT -5
No because his entire reign has been a scheme to have the Rock lose to Cena at Mania
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Nov 20, 2012 8:27:15 GMT -5
Y'know, all that people are going to remember about this reign are three things: Pipe Bomb, "Respect!" Heel Turn, and The Rock beating Punk. The pipe bomb promo wasn't during this reign, though.
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Post by Boomaga on Nov 20, 2012 10:21:50 GMT -5
Y'know, all that people are going to remember about this reign are three things: Pipe Bomb, "Respect!" Heel Turn, and The Rock beating Punk. I shall always remember that Punk's father is an alcoholic and his sister has problems with substance abuse. Thank you, Jericho.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Nov 20, 2012 10:30:32 GMT -5
I know I'm just going to get dismissed as a Punk hater again, as always, but part of this is that I feel like he can't really get anybody to care about his opponents.
HHH (despite his penchant for "A broomstick can wrestle better than all of you" promos) managed to get people to care about Shelton Benjamin for the 2 or 3 matches they had together.
I don't know if there's anything Punk can really do to fix that. It's just his personality that gets people so attached to him that they couldn't give a damn about his opponents. And WWE's anemic booking (that can't seem to get anybody over) doesn't help matters either...
How memorable can the matches really be when you don't give the slightest damn about the other person in the match?
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Post by hitch on Nov 20, 2012 10:34:22 GMT -5
I know I'm just going to get dismissed as a Punk hater again, as always, but part of this is that I feel like he can't really get anybody to care about his opponents. HHH (despite his penchant for "A broomstick can wrestle better than all of you" promos) managed to get people to care about Shelton Benjamin for the 2 or 3 matches they had together. I don't know if there's anything Punk can really do to fix that. It's just his personality that gets people so attached to him that they couldn't give a damn about his opponents. And WWE's anemic booking (that can't seem to get anybody over) doesn't help matters either... How memorable can the matches really be when you don't give the slightest damn about the other person in the match? If I'm honest I haven't noticed how little I care for his opponents because I'm not over how little I care about him. That's the crux of it for me. I'm just...indifferent towards him. Don't think I'm in a minority either hence why they're giving people more reasons to boo him than they have a character since they gave Sgt Slaughter an Iraqi flag and pointy boots. Surely if you need THAT much to just get mildly over as a heel - and let's not pretend Punk gets booed out of the building - I think it's a flaw.
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