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Post by CM Parish on Jan 15, 2012 14:57:09 GMT -5
A valid point. I withdraw my arguments and concede to you, good sir. Thank you.
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Post by IMPRESSIVE knightwing1047 on Jan 15, 2012 15:09:49 GMT -5
I get what everyone's saying about Lesnar not looking legit for losing his last 2 fights. In fact there's a big part of me that wants to say that too. But at the same time, does it make a wrestler look less legit when he loses the WWE Championship or gets beaten badly by another larger, more experienced opponent? When Shawn Michaels lost to Undertaker... twice... did it make him any less Shawn Michaels?
Hell, Ric Flair lost the title 16 times but we still regard him as one of the greatest of all time. Everyone loses. In fact there are many storylines in WWE where a wrestler will go on a losing streak and has to overcome it. Doesn't make him any less legit.
I think legitimacy in combat sports is determined by how you bounce back after losses. It's determined by how quickly you can come back too. I have no doubt Lesnar could destroy many current wrestlers. You have to look at it from that perspective.
Could Lesnar feasibly beat Punk, Cena, Orton, Undertaker.... if the answer is yes, then, you've got a legit fighter.
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Post by Creeper The Limo Driver on Jan 15, 2012 15:12:02 GMT -5
donny, Lashley hasn't been shamed out of MMA yet. Though if he was, he's lucky enough to be so far under the radar right now that even if anyone remembers him going into MMA, they'd all forget after a(nother) short run in TNA. Then again, who knows, maybe he's getting the experience he needs and is working his way up the right way. Hell, Bobby might actually find some UFC success on his own without living off of his name. As for the ex-athletes go (Goldberg specifically), I don't recall him ever being a huge star in WCW, going to another sport, getting his ass kicked and then coming back to wrestling. I can't say whether or not he was a big name in the NFL since he stopped playing when I was 9. All I remember from those days is the old TMNT cartoon and the first couple of seasons of Power Rangers. zeez Thanks for clarifying that Brock won the title in a division that sucks and lost said title in the same shitty division and going on to be dominated even more. That makes him look even better. And as I've said, all that financial success comes from him already being a star. That same formula can be applied with any remotely popular wrestler. Dang! That makes him look worse. He can't hang in his own weight division so he's gotta come back to WWE and beat up on guys half his size. Yeah, let's save that main event match with Punk for later. Feed him Miz first to re-establish just how tough he is. I guess the same could be said for Kane, Big Show, etc. I've never seen them lose a real fight though. Somehow that matters. I don't deny the fact that Brock made a ton of money in MMA, nor do I consider that a lack of success. But having 8 fights and losing almost half of them doesn't quite equate success either. Real sports are not like pro wrestling where wins and losses don't matter. He's a professional fighter with a horrible record who made millions off of it by already being famous from... fake fighting. God bless him, I guess.
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Post by Creeper The Limo Driver on Jan 15, 2012 15:29:45 GMT -5
@knightwing Shawn Michaels was the underdog in both of those matches. I was really hoping he wasn't retiring and that's the only reason I thought he was going to win the second match. Otherwise Taker was pretty much a lock for both.
And while enough losses can damage your career in wrestling, you have to remember that it's all staged too. Nobody loses a match because they weren't the better man. You can have Big Show lose to Rey Mysterio. You know it's not because Rey was tougher, but because someone told Show he's going to lose that match. It's all a show.
Lesnar went into real world and lost when the outcomes weren't predetermined. If he gains any wins back in the WWE, that only shows that he can win when the fight is staged against opponents significantly smaller than him. It doesn't make him look tough. At all.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 15, 2012 17:26:19 GMT -5
He'd never stick around that long.
A 'Mania match or something I could see; but not much else.
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Post by BigWill on Jan 15, 2012 17:58:08 GMT -5
I don't deny the fact that Brock made a ton of money in MMA, nor do I consider that a lack of success. But having 8 fights and losing almost half of them doesn't quite equate success either. Real sports are not like pro wrestling where wins and losses don't matter. He's a professional fighter with a horrible record who made millions off of it by already being famous from... fake fighting. God bless him, I guess. If wins and losses don't matter in pro wrestling, than Lesnar's wins and losses from another company shouldn't matter if he were to return to the WWE. And if you're going to point out the fact that the WWE is just "fake fighting", then why should whether or not Lesnar has credibility even be a factor? It just sounds like you don't like him, and are using flawed logic to justify it. Also, having a 5-3 record is hardly horrible. And it's not like the losses were to a bunch of nobodies.
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Post by moneyman20 on Jan 15, 2012 18:05:59 GMT -5
He hates all the traveling and stuff that goes with that. If he comes back, it'll be for some special matches. He won't be champion.
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Post by machomuta on Jan 15, 2012 18:08:31 GMT -5
because he couldn't handle MMA. ] Brock handled MMA pretty well. He is a fomer world champion and he won most of his MMA fights. Only a Lesnar hater would say that he couldnt handle MMA.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2012 18:08:39 GMT -5
If Lesnar can get past the traveling then it'll be easy for him to become champion, once he's recovered that is. They can easily have Brock say that he was ill but now he's better and he didn't have the fire and passion as he had in the ring now, have it go crazy and then have it shut the house down. Just give him the attitude of a more evolved Lesnar and they can do it. Not a big deal.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Jan 15, 2012 18:20:07 GMT -5
Brock's credibility and/or lack thereof from MMA isn't the main issue here, IMO; the big thing is that WWE rolled out the red carpet for him, and Lesnar ditched them and took the exposure that WWE had wasted time and money to give him, and used it to make money for someone else.
In this case, I wouldn't even blame Vince for being his usual petty, vindictive self; if Brock wants back in, he'd better be ready to eat some humble pie and put over a crapton of people who haven't demonstrated a propensity to bite the hand that feeds them.
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Post by Paco on Jan 15, 2012 18:31:51 GMT -5
If he gets back on the road full-time with WWE, Lesnar has about a 100% chance of winning a World Title. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2012 19:59:03 GMT -5
He lost to a champion that never lost his title in a number one contender's fight for for the UFC Heavyweight Championship.
How many wrestlers have lost number one contender matches and then become World Champ later on? Tons.
I don't see what the problem would be.
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Post by hossfan on Jan 15, 2012 20:09:21 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure fans would be able to buy into the idea of Brock Lesnar being able take guys like The Miz, Alberto Del Rio, CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, Dolph Ziggler, and even John Cena (all recent world champs and/or Number One Contenders) in a fight, so yes.
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Post by Big Daddy Bad Booking on Jan 15, 2012 20:12:07 GMT -5
If Vince views he can make money, he will be champion again. Just not for long periods of time.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Jan 15, 2012 23:45:27 GMT -5
The Rock will be WWE Champion again long before Brock will ever be. The mans ego is just too huge to lose the title. He might come in for a couple big money matches, but he's never going to do title defenses against any guys that won't draw him the most money. We might get a match against Taker, maybe Stone Cold...but not many else. I mean, the guy whined about dropping the title to Eddie Guerrero since he said it would make his match with Goldberg more important...and then he gave his notice a week before anyways. Who's to say he wouldn't pull some of the same unprofessional crap again? I mean, this is the guy that signed a ten year no-complete clause and then tried to break it when football didn't take him. He's just too much of a gamble to put it on.
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Post by redman20 on Jan 16, 2012 12:50:09 GMT -5
Brock's credibility and/or lack thereof from MMA isn't the main issue here, IMO; the big thing is that WWE rolled out the red carpet for him, and Lesnar ditched them and took the exposure that WWE had wasted time and money to give him, and used it to make money for someone else. In this case, I wouldn't even blame Vince for being his usual petty, vindictive self; if Brock wants back in, he'd better be ready to eat some humble pie and put over a crapton of people who haven't demonstrated a propensity to bite the hand that feeds them. Yeah but that's only gonna happen if brock is desperate to get back, which isn't the case. I'm pretty sure that if he comes back it will be more on Lesnars terms than anything else...it's not like he loves the business and I presume that he doesn't need the money.
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Post by Big L on Jan 16, 2012 17:09:38 GMT -5
I don't see why not
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