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Post by nisidhe on Jan 1, 2012 23:49:02 GMT -5
f*** Lesnar.
The man was utterly unprofessional during his last stint with WWE - did not play well with others, surly with fans, pretty much the same schtick he was doing in UFC. Worst of all, I think he burned his bridges, as did Goldberg, with that stink-up job they pulled at WrestleMania XX. They dissed the fans, Vince, _and_ their colleagues with that fiasco. While Vince has demonstrated a willingness to work with enemies for business, I'm not sure he's willing necessarily to fall all over himself to hire back someone who did their damnedest to ruin Vince's baby.
Moreover, far too much has passed under the bridge since that night, and especially in the last year. What WWE has built up is a PG-rated product that, while formulaic and somewhat boring, has managed to be consistent in its quality and very much geared to as broad a base as possible. A superstar from a former era, with a penchant for insulting everyone and generally being an absolute jerk, has no place in the WWE Universe, in which _everyone_ who could possibly draw a fanbase is expected to show some regard for those paying the price of admission.
This, of course, says nothing of Lesnar's style and physique in relation to the roster now. At best, Lesnar is a monster physique who would be dropped in as a super-heavyweight against guys like Mark Henry and the Big Show. At worst, however, his return would reopen the controversy surrounding all the issues that gave rise to the Wellness Policy. Quite simply, the last thing Vince would want would be the media frenzy that might ensue if he were to take a chance on such an odious personality with such a propensity for causing harm.
In short, Lesnar would need Vince far more than Vince needs Lesnar at this point. I suspect that, when 'Taker stared him down after Lesnar lost that match, he wasn't necessarily suggesting that Lesnar could come back if he wanted to, but that Lesnar, for his own sake, should probably have stayed. At this point, I would think that Undertaker would be the only one who would want to work with Lesnar after all that's happened.
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Post by bestthateverdidit on Jan 2, 2012 0:11:30 GMT -5
what a mark.
Ever considered that Lesnar might be a jerk BECAUSE HE'S A HEEL? He's even a heel in MMA - it sells pay per views, being a prick. Just as Muhammad Ali, who stole the technique from Gorgeous George. Brock is the same.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Jan 2, 2012 1:09:48 GMT -5
I don't think he'll be back just because he retired from MMA. For one, it's not like he needs the money. I'm not saying I don't think he'll ever appear for WWE again, hell he will probably wrestle at least one more match...but I don't think it will be happening any time soon.
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Post by moneyman20 on Jan 2, 2012 1:16:40 GMT -5
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Post by moneyman20 on Jan 2, 2012 1:19:18 GMT -5
f*** Lesnar. The man was utterly unprofessional during his last stint with WWE - did not play well with others, surly with fans, pretty much the same schtick he was doing in UFC. Worst of all, I think he burned his bridges, as did Goldberg, with that stink-up job they pulled at WrestleMania XX. They dissed the fans, Vince, _and_ their colleagues with that fiasco. While Vince has demonstrated a willingness to work with enemies for business, I'm not sure he's willing necessarily to fall all over himself to hire back someone who did their damnedest to ruin Vince's baby. Moreover, far too much has passed under the bridge since that night, and especially in the last year. What WWE has built up is a PG-rated product that, while formulaic and somewhat boring, has managed to be consistent in its quality and very much geared to as broad a base as possible. A superstar from a former era, with a penchant for insulting everyone and generally being an absolute jerk, has no place in the WWE Universe, in which _everyone_ who could possibly draw a fanbase is expected to show some regard for those paying the price of admission. This, of course, says nothing of Lesnar's style and physique in relation to the roster now. At best, Lesnar is a monster physique who would be dropped in as a super-heavyweight against guys like Mark Henry and the Big Show. At worst, however, his return would reopen the controversy surrounding all the issues that gave rise to the Wellness Policy. Quite simply, the last thing Vince would want would be the media frenzy that might ensue if he were to take a chance on such an odious personality with such a propensity for causing harm. In short, Lesnar would need Vince far more than Vince needs Lesnar at this point. I suspect that, when 'Taker stared him down after Lesnar lost that match, he wasn't necessarily suggesting that Lesnar could come back if he wanted to, but that Lesnar, for his own sake, should probably have stayed. At this point, I would think that Undertaker would be the only one who would want to work with Lesnar after all that's happened. If Vince McMahon thinks Brock will make the company money, he will bring him back. Period. End of. He's forgiven people for s*** in the past, he'll have no problem forgiving Brock if he thinks he'll bring more money to the WWE.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Jan 2, 2012 1:53:05 GMT -5
what a mark. Ever considered that Lesnar might be a jerk BECAUSE HE'S A HEEL? He's even a heel in MMA - it sells pay per views, being a prick. Just as Muhammad Ali, who stole the technique from Gorgeous George. Brock is the same. So he's a mark for thinking that Brock is an egotistical douchebag? Hell, then sign me up. I'm a mark too! The guy gets one of the biggest, if not THE biggest pushes in WWE history...youngest WWE Champion ever, gets the Rock and Undertaker fed to him...he was going to squash Stone Cold until Austin put the kibosh on it...and then he just up and gives a weeks notice that he's leaving before the biggest show of the year. Then he proceeds to flip off the fans for mocking him for leaving...and I guarantee you that that wasn't because he was a heel, he meant it. Oh, then there's this quote: "[Austin] chicken-sh**ted out on me and walked away and didn't want to participate because he thought that I was getting something too fast too soon and he felt threatened by me." Yeah.
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Post by nisidhe on Jan 2, 2012 9:12:41 GMT -5
If Vince McMahon thinks Brock will make the company money, he will bring him back. Period. End of. He's forgiven people for s*** in the past, he'll have no problem forgiving Brock if he thinks he'll bring more money to the WWE. If, by some utter fluke, GSP were to leave UFC and make the move over to WWE, the place would blow up and Vince would be making money hand over fist. Merch would rival Cena/Punk levels and any lost male demographic would be back in a heartbeat. Vince wouldn't make a dime off Lesnar's return that he's not making now, and would likely lose a lot more. There's a difference between the two men that makes the above scenarios plausible.
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Jan 2, 2012 9:16:36 GMT -5
If Vince McMahon thinks Brock will make the company money, he will bring him back. Period. End of. He's forgiven people for s*** in the past, he'll have no problem forgiving Brock if he thinks he'll bring more money to the WWE. If, by some utter fluke, GSP were to leave UFC and make the move over to WWE, the place would blow up and Vince would be making money hand over fist. Merch would rival Cena/Punk levels and any lost male demographic would be back in a heartbeat. Vince wouldn't make a dime off Lesnar's return that he's not making now, and would likely lose a lot more. There's a difference between the two men that makes the above scenarios plausible. You honestly don't think Brock would draw? If Brock isn't a draw, then why didn't Dana cut him loose on Friday night and let him be on RAW tonight?
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Post by Bone Daddy on Jan 2, 2012 10:42:19 GMT -5
That won't happen. His medical issues took a toll on him and made him a weaker fighter. Anybody that rags on him for that is an asshat. Besides even if Punk said something like that, would anyone take it seriously? Who's even going to believe that Punk would be able to knock someone like Lesnar out? He might be able to make fun of Lesnar's failed MMA career, but trying to act like he could actually knock him out would be comical. They would never put Brock with Punk anyway. If he were to come back for one or two matches they would want it to be a against a big star like Cena or HHH
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Post by nisidhe on Jan 2, 2012 12:34:53 GMT -5
You honestly don't think Brock would draw? If Brock isn't a draw, then why didn't Dana cut him loose on Friday night and let him be on RAW tonight? Dana White's gonna do what Dana White's gonna do when it comes to Lesnar. Right now, all parties would want Lesnar to recover first from his health issues before even contemplating putting him back into action. Vince would almost certainly prefer that it be on Dana White's dime than on his own. Now, assuming Lesnar was cleared as 100%, would Vince want him? The short answer would be no. Lesnar was far too much a PITA the first time around, and Vince risks too big a loss from merch and other revenues if he were to roll back the clock to the circa Attitude Era now. Lesnar would not be good for Vince's business.
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Jan 2, 2012 13:07:20 GMT -5
You honestly don't think Brock would draw? If Brock isn't a draw, then why didn't Dana cut him loose on Friday night and let him be on RAW tonight? Dana White's gonna do what Dana White's gonna do when it comes to Lesnar. Right now, all parties would want Lesnar to recover first from his health issues before even contemplating putting him back into action. Vince would almost certainly prefer that it be on Dana White's dime than on his own. Now, assuming Lesnar was cleared as 100%, would Vince want him? The short answer would be no. Lesnar was far too much a PITA the first time around, and Vince risks too big a loss from merch and other revenues if he were to roll back the clock to the circa Attitude Era now. Lesnar would not be good for Vince's business. Please explain your logic, as I find it baffling. How would Brock Lesnar result in lost merchandise revenue? I legitimately don't understand what you mean. Also, how would hiring the #1 PPV draw of UFC, the kings of PPV revenue, be bad for business? Brock Lesnar is a household name in the mainstream sports world. It's clear that you don't like Brock, but don't let your hate-on for the guy blind you from how lucrative a signing he would be for WWE.
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Post by nisidhe on Jan 3, 2012 0:02:57 GMT -5
Please explain your logic, as I find it baffling. How would Brock Lesnar result in lost merchandise revenue? I legitimately don't understand what you mean. Also, how would hiring the #1 PPV draw of UFC, the kings of PPV revenue, be bad for business? Brock Lesnar is a household name in the mainstream sports world. It's clear that you don't like Brock, but don't let your hate-on for the guy blind you from how lucrative a signing he would be for WWE. My logic, then, is clear: Lesnar is a douchebag who does not play well with others, does not engage his fans in any meaningful or positive way, and would, potentially, drop WWE programming numbers, merchandising and film revenue into the crapper. The WWE Universe relies on its superstars to sell the brand, not merely themselves. Who you see on TV and at the house shows do their jobs extremely well, either the result of very good acting or genuinely liking their jobs. Lesnar seems utterly incapable of doing that in a way that even Mark Henry can sell the brand. From a business standpoint, it makes Lesnar poison to the WWE's current business model. Lesnar would be lucrative, for sure - to a very predominantly adult, very predominantly male demographic that would spend its money on admission or PPV buys, maybe a T-shirt and the rest on beer (if that.) No women, no kids, no older people. What WWE has built up over the last few years is a far more family-friendly, female-friendly product that has largely rehabilitated wrestling's image and expanded its profitability. Today, a family of four attending an event will buy T-shirts, foam fingers, drink cups, programs, concessions, and are more likely also to buy the specialty merch online. WWE's going for market share in a way it hadn't since the late 1980s. Lesnar, for what he would likely demand after a very dominant if brief MMA career, would not add significantly to those figures and may, depending on his in-ring work, actually harm it.
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