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Post by froggyfrog on Dec 31, 2011 21:38:20 GMT -5
Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think there's been a thriving bare knuckles boxing scene in the UK in about 80 years or so. this is what im thinking
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Post by zeez on Dec 31, 2011 21:59:29 GMT -5
His nose is not what most people would call straight. Anyway, his gimmick doesn't involve bare-knuckle fighting, so it would make little sense to bring it up if it was a complete work. I thought that, but then they barely mention Del Rio making the Olympic wrestling team for Mexico, which to me is more impressive. I'm not on either side of this argument, I just find it weird that in this era, everyone buys crazy stories about a wrestler's badassness without any proof. It's pro wrestling. They lie to us about wrestler backstories all the time. I know that they're trying to be more realistic nowadays, but on this issue I'm happy to go with the lie. Being a bare knuckle boxer sounds a lot more awesome than what the truth probably is and I'm fine with that. Plus it makes him seem a little more threatening as a character.
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Post by gre on Dec 31, 2011 23:19:21 GMT -5
I'm kinda confused at the 'he has a broken nose therefore the backstory must be true' posts. No matter what his background is, he could have got that playing rugby, or in a melee outside Tokyo Jo's on a Friday night, for all we know.
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Post by Ricky Nightshade on Dec 31, 2011 23:49:05 GMT -5
I don't mind. He has the look of a bare knuckle boxer. The marine biology thing would be a more obvious work.
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Post by Shaun2k5 on Jan 1, 2012 0:01:56 GMT -5
Given the economic and social state of Liverpool throughout the 1990s, I have no doubt this happened.
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Post by Nic Nemeth on Jan 1, 2012 0:52:03 GMT -5
It makes me wonder what his life prior to wrestling must have been like.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 1, 2012 1:26:48 GMT -5
Given the economic and social state of Liverpool throughout the 1990s, I have no doubt this happened. Pretty much. Poor or struggling neighborhoods tend to flock to blood sports. I think people are thinking a little big bigger scale than reasonable. It's bare knuckle fighting, for cash, of course there wouldn't be much in the way of documenting it.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Jan 1, 2012 3:11:49 GMT -5
His nose is not what most people would call straight. Anyway, his gimmick doesn't involve bare-knuckle fighting, so it would make little sense to bring it up if it was a complete work. I thought that, but then they barely mention Del Rio making the Olympic wrestling team for Mexico, which to me is more impressive. Jack Swagger apparently pinned Cain Velasquez. I'd call that just as. ...okay, not really. But they should hype it more; that Mr. All American American beat the former UFC Heavyweight Champion.
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Post by BHB on Jan 1, 2012 7:45:27 GMT -5
Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think there's been a thriving bare knuckles boxing scene in the UK in about 80 years or so. It doesn't have to be a "scene" just two guys fighting in a car park. He could have easily had a few of those kind of fights for money. Theres a picture of a young Barrett on the internet where he looks pretty chavvy, so I can believe that is the sort of thing he'd do.
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Post by misconduct was wrong on Jan 1, 2012 9:37:13 GMT -5
I thought that, but then they barely mention Del Rio making the Olympic wrestling team for Mexico, which to me is more impressive. I'm not on either side of this argument, I just find it weird that in this era, everyone buys crazy stories about a wrestler's badassness without any proof. It's pro wrestling. They lie to us about wrestler backstories all the time. I know that they're trying to be more realistic nowadays, but on this issue I'm happy to go with the lie. Being a bare knuckle boxer sounds a lot more awesome than what the truth probably is and I'm fine with that. Plus it makes him seem a little more threatening as a character. This.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2012 9:59:24 GMT -5
Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think there's been a thriving bare knuckles boxing scene in the UK in about 80 years or so. Dunno if you'd call it thriving but there is a bare knuckle boxing scene still ongoing. On Lawless Britain on Brave a couple of years ago there was an episode about it, it followed two fighters getting ready for their first bareknuckle fights and had a few interviews/clips of other fights including one that lasted for over 40 minutes. Think it's called Field Rage or something like that. Anyway, the fights take place in a field somewhere in England and are I think organised by the Traveller community but have non-traveller fighters from local towns, amateur cagefighters, local hardnuts etc come down to fight too. The documentary followed two fighters from London going down for it. There's also a group in the Midlands who organise bareknuckle fights in local warehouses and parking lots. Edit: Not sure if it counts as bareknuckle or not but it's kinda similar but during the 70's the unlicenced boxing scene was pretty big in the UK with the likes of Lenny McClean and Roy Shaw. Reading in "Pain & Passion", Dynamite Kid's ex-wife said he had to resort to doing just that to make money after his wrestling career was over. "They'd take two guys and throw them in a garage to fight it out. Whomever came out still standing was declared the winner." So there's another reason it sounds bad-ass. It's like there's a link to Dynamite. Also explains why he does that "BOOM!" punch during his ring entrance.
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Post by zing on Jan 1, 2012 11:01:21 GMT -5
It was mentioned in some recent non-kayfabe seeming UK interview - I think something to do with his Preston North End fandom - which I noticed at the time made it sound more legit. That said, I also heard online that Regal had let slip that the broken nose was from a long time playing rugby and I remember thinking that some of his movement from his NXT days seemed like a rugby player.
The traveller thing does fit in with what he's said himself though - though maybe, seeing as he's so fabulously smart, he's just researched it well.
If it is true though, I'm sure it is exaggerated like anything else. After all, if it's illegal, who's going to correct them on it?
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Post by jp49er80 on Jan 1, 2012 11:16:08 GMT -5
Or in a melee outside Tokyo Jo's on a Friday night, for all we know. I won't let that be no-sold as a fairly local resident ;D great reference.
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Post by Bo Rida on Jan 1, 2012 12:00:09 GMT -5
The traveller thing does fit in with what he's said himself though - though maybe, seeing as he's so fabulously smart, he's just researched it well. That's a fair assumption especially as he could have known people from that world. Back on NXT he they said something about Wade not putting his sleeves in his jacket so he was ready to fight and how he learned it from gypsies and that seems a little too convenient. Of course like many things there may be a grain of truth that has been embellished.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 1, 2012 14:08:02 GMT -5
Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think there's been a thriving bare knuckles boxing scene in the UK in about 80 years or so. It doesn't have to be a "scene" just two guys fighting in a car park. He could have easily had a few of those kind of fights for money. Theres a picture of a young Barrett on the internet where he looks pretty chavvy, so I can believe that is the sort of thing he'd do. Yeah, I think people are expecting this big formal event where there wouldn't be one. If Evan Bourne had a sting of dice victories in an alley, there wouldn't be a record of that either. Wouldn't mean it didn't happen.
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Post by FinalGwen on Jan 1, 2012 14:24:04 GMT -5
I do remember him praising the NHS for saving his life after he was stabbed on the NXT website, and that was back when there was the whole controversy over healthcare in the US. I imagine with WWE's usual political focus, praise for a socialist healthcare system wouldn't be the best thing to make up...
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jan 1, 2012 15:55:16 GMT -5
It doesn't have to be a "scene" just two guys fighting in a car park. He could have easily had a few of those kind of fights for money. Theres a picture of a young Barrett on the internet where he looks pretty chavvy, so I can believe that is the sort of thing he'd do. Yeah, I think people are expecting this big formal event where there wouldn't be one. If Evan Bourne had a sting of dice victories in an alley, there wouldn't be a record of that either. Wouldn't mean it didn't happen. I want this to be Evan Bourne's new gimmick, back alley dice player, Evan 'Snake Eyes' Bourne.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Jan 1, 2012 19:06:02 GMT -5
If he was, he must've been good to have few to no scars.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2012 19:09:55 GMT -5
I'm guessing that he was either a) the UK equivalent of Kimbo Slice and he beat up a bunch of out of shape dudes that had no business fighting, b) "Lionheart" was based on his life story or C) he made it all up. It's a toss up really.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 1, 2012 21:09:15 GMT -5
I'm guessing that he was either a) the UK equivalent of Kimbo Slice and he beat up a bunch of out of shape dudes that had no business fighting, b) "Lionheart" was based on his life story or C) he made it all up. It's a toss up really. To be honest, I favour C. Maybe there's a nugget of truth in there that's been embellished heavily.
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