8.2.11/SAVIOR_NEZ
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Post by 8.2.11/SAVIOR_NEZ on Dec 7, 2012 20:50:19 GMT -5
One thing I've never really seen too much of since the Attitude Era is a feud portraying deep-seeded hatred between wrestlers. Back then, guys like The Rock, Stone Cold, Triple H, and Undertaker never talked about how much they respected each other or how the match was going to be a classic or anything. All they cared about was beating their opponent up at the ppv. I don't know, it seems so sanitized now. It's almost as if a wrestler were to "hate" someone, it would go against their anti-bullying thing.
Another thing I don't think we'll see anytime soon are wrestlers being allowed to be themselves with the volume turned up. There is too much overuse of scripts for promos (see The Miz's performance last Monday) and everything comes off so phony. One reason the guys in the Attitude era were so over was the fact that they were easy to identify with. You got a glimpse into characters with a lot of humanity. There are exceptions today of course, but it would be nice if more guys could get a chance to get over this way.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Dec 7, 2012 21:06:12 GMT -5
Storylines for pretty much everyone on the roster.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2012 21:11:09 GMT -5
One thing I've never really seen too much of since the Attitude Era is a feud portraying deep-seeded hatred between wrestlers. Back then, guys like The Rock, Stone Cold, Triple H, and Undertaker never talked about how much they respected each other or how the match was going to be a classic or anything. All they cared about was beating their opponent up at the ppv. I don't know, it seems so sanitized now. It's almost as if a wrestler were to "hate" someone, it would go against their anti-bullying thing. Another thing I don't think we'll see anytime soon are wrestlers being allowed to be themselves with the volume turned up. There is too much overuse of scripts for promos (see The Miz's performance last Monday) and everything comes off so phony. One reason the guys in the Attitude era were so over was the fact that they were easy to identify with. You got a glimpse into characters with a lot of humanity. There are exceptions today of course, but it would be nice if more guys could get a chance to get over this way. The hatred thing is sorely needed. Everyone respects everyone. Cena could get jumped and beaten with chairs and he'd still say he respected his opponent.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2012 21:34:56 GMT -5
One thing I've never really seen too much of since the Attitude Era is a feud portraying deep-seeded hatred between wrestlers. Back then, guys like The Rock, Stone Cold, Triple H, and Undertaker never talked about how much they respected each other or how the match was going to be a classic or anything. All they cared about was beating their opponent up at the ppv. I don't know, it seems so sanitized now. It's almost as if a wrestler were to "hate" someone, it would go against their anti-bullying thing. Another thing I don't think we'll see anytime soon are wrestlers being allowed to be themselves with the volume turned up. There is too much overuse of scripts for promos (see The Miz's performance last Monday) and everything comes off so phony. One reason the guys in the Attitude era were so over was the fact that they were easy to identify with. You got a glimpse into characters with a lot of humanity. There are exceptions today of course, but it would be nice if more guys could get a chance to get over this way. This era is not giving people the chance to really develop their mic presence. Like this Big Show/Sheamus feud...Sheamus isn't even close to in Show's league in these promos. Show seems like a real guy, he's able to portray himself naturally though his pissed-off-heel-giant character. Sheamus is just a cartoon character with red hair and pale skin that likes to foit, played by Stephen Farrely. It's a wide, wide gap.
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Post by BigWill on Dec 7, 2012 21:36:39 GMT -5
One thing I've never really seen too much of since the Attitude Era is a feud portraying deep-seeded hatred between wrestlers. Back then, guys like The Rock, Stone Cold, Triple H, and Undertaker never talked about how much they respected each other or how the match was going to be a classic or anything. All they cared about was beating their opponent up at the ppv. I don't know, it seems so sanitized now. It's almost as if a wrestler were to "hate" someone, it would go against their anti-bullying thing. Another thing I don't think we'll see anytime soon are wrestlers being allowed to be themselves with the volume turned up. There is too much overuse of scripts for promos (see The Miz's performance last Monday) and everything comes off so phony. One reason the guys in the Attitude era were so over was the fact that they were easy to identify with. You got a glimpse into characters with a lot of humanity. There are exceptions today of course, but it would be nice if more guys could get a chance to get over this way. This era is not giving people the chance to really develop their mic presence. Like this Big Show/Sheamus feud...Sheamus isn't even close to in Show's league in these promos. Show seems like a real guy, he's able to portray himself naturally though his pissed-off-heel-giant character. Sheamus is just a cartoon character with red hair and pale skin that likes to foit, played by Stephen Farrely. It's a wide, wide gap. So, is it a lack of talent on the superstars part, or is it the WWE holding the superstars back?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2012 21:47:39 GMT -5
This era is not giving people the chance to really develop their mic presence. Like this Big Show/Sheamus feud...Sheamus isn't even close to in Show's league in these promos. Show seems like a real guy, he's able to portray himself naturally though his pissed-off-heel-giant character. Sheamus is just a cartoon character with red hair and pale skin that likes to foit, played by Stephen Farrely. It's a wide, wide gap. So, is it a lack of talent on the superstars part, or is it the WWE holding the superstars back? Well if you look at the best mic workers in WWE, to me it's guys like Show, Punk, Truth, and Ambrose. They all have experience in terms of having the freedom/responsibility of figuring out how to get themselves over verbally. Punk was cutting promos with Raven back in 2003, before most of the current crop of WWE stars were even in the business. Show from the beginning could cut a promo in WCW, he's just a natural at it and has gotten better and better over the years. Truth had his time as Ron Killings in TNA to flesh himself out, especially his delivery which is always great. Ambrose, if you've seen his stuff from the indies and FCW, you know that he has an identity. There are other good talkers for sure. John Cena CAN be great, I dislike his stuff about half the time but when he's on, one of the best. Cody Rhodes is a natural and also took acting classes, which is what every WWE wrestler that hopes to cut a promo needs to do these days imo. The biggest problem with scripting everything is that the guys aren't good actors, and they don't believe a word they're saying. That's why the old way of giving bulletpoints letting the wrestler flesh out details themselves worked better, there was more of the wrestler's personality in it. Overall, WWE's style holds a lot of guys back that have potential but aren't pushed in any way to tap into it. They need to think for themselves and figure out what works best for them, instead of having to try to fit into WWE's singular scripted voice.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Dec 7, 2012 22:06:14 GMT -5
Can be? Just based on his delivery, I'd consider him the best talker in the company now, if only because he's better at stirring up the crowd than the rest of the roster.
That's not just his stature as the face of the company causing those reactions, listen to the way he utilizes his voice and shifts the pitch around to create drama. I'm not saying he's on par with or superior to Hogan or Rock, but as far as WWE's full time roster he's the best I've seen at selling a PPV since Rock.
Guys like Punk and Ambrose are good when it comes to making their characters seem rooted in reality, but Cena's way better at making shows seem like a big deal, and him saying "THIS IS MONDAY NIGHT RAW LIVE IN ____!!" is only a small part of that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2012 22:50:58 GMT -5
Can be? Just based on his delivery, I'd consider him the best talker in the company now, if only because he's better at stirring up the crowd than the rest of the roster. That's not just his stature as the face of the company causing those reactions, listen to the way he utilizes his voice and shifts the pitch around to create drama. I'm not saying he's on par with or superior to Hogan or Rock, but as far as WWE's full time roster he's the best I've seen at selling a PPV since Rock. Guys like Punk and Ambrose are good when it comes to making their characters seem rooted in reality, but Cena's way better at making shows seem like a big deal, and him saying "THIS IS MONDAY NIGHT RAW LIVE IN ____!!" is only a small part of that. That half the time I refer to when I don't like his act, it's when he's in self-aware mode, or making his little Dane Cook-esque asides, or hyping something in a voice I perceive to be sarcastic and patronizing. There's certain things about his character that I think take away from everything, and when those things aren't present he's a great talker.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Dec 8, 2012 7:27:52 GMT -5
Cena is probably the best mic guy on the roster right now, just because he's so completely natural. I buy whatever he's saying, even if I'm not enjoying it.
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Post by RareTradU on Dec 8, 2012 10:16:18 GMT -5
Probably the most obvious thing we'll never see from the Attitude Era again is a 9.1 rating for anything in the current era of Monday Night Raw.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2012 10:24:23 GMT -5
The "Kiss My Ass" club would probably be near the top of the list, even if it was near the end of the Era.
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Post by sonofblaine on Dec 8, 2012 15:22:29 GMT -5
Can be? Just based on his delivery, I'd consider him the best talker in the company now, if only because he's better at stirring up the crowd than the rest of the roster. That's not just his stature as the face of the company causing those reactions, listen to the way he utilizes his voice and shifts the pitch around to create drama. I'm not saying he's on par with or superior to Hogan or Rock, but as far as WWE's full time roster he's the best I've seen at selling a PPV since Rock. Guys like Punk and Ambrose are good when it comes to making their characters seem rooted in reality, but Cena's way better at making shows seem like a big deal, and him saying "THIS IS MONDAY NIGHT RAW LIVE IN ____!!" is only a small part of that. That half the time I refer to when I don't like his act, it's when he's in self-aware mode, or making his little Dane Cook-esque asides, or hyping something in a voice I perceive to be sarcastic and patronizing. There's certain things about his character that I think take away from everything, and when those things aren't present he's a great talker. Agreed. I'd LOVE to like the guy, if he wasn't written/booked so horribly.
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