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Post by misconduct was wrong on Dec 19, 2012 20:46:30 GMT -5
It's complete nonsense and I'll never understand it. It's simple. In fact, if WWE had Cena beat Rock and prove to the world that Rock really didn't have it anymore, that'd have been more backwards than anything else I could think of. John Cena is a full-time guy who can take losses and always be rebuilt at the very next pay-per-view. It didn't mean much for WWE to have him lose at WrestleMania. But since WWE is going to use The Rock to sell pay-per-views in the future, it only makes sense to have him win. Unlike Cena and Hulk Hogan in 2002, Rock isn't around every week. Wins and losses mean more for him. So to maximize his drawing potential, he gets the big win over Cena to prove that he's just as good now as he used to be. That way fans will know that Rock has a chance whenever he's used in the future. It shows that he's not going to lose every match he's involved in. This is WWE booking for the future, just like you wanted. If Rock was going to leave, you'd have a point, but since he wasn't, he got to win at WM28. Cena can always get his win back over Rock later. If Rock had lost then I doubt he'd be involved in the title picture now, and probably going forward to Mania. On topic. Punk at MitB Mark Henry over Randy Orton Taker over H for the last 2 years.
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Post by wrestling4ever on Dec 19, 2012 20:49:18 GMT -5
Except they didnt book backwards. Having a star from a previous era beat a star from the modern era is essentially booking backwards. If Hogan beat Rock it would have be the same thing. It didn't make sense at all, and I'll never get it. WWE is basically saying that even though John Cena is the top face of the company, he still can't beat a guy who hasn't wrestled in 8 years. I don't care if it is The Rock, it still doesn't make sense. It's like if Rock beat Lesnar, Hogan beat Rock, Angle beat Lesnar, Shawn Michaels beating Stone Cold, Andre beating Hogan. Instead of booking towards the future and having their top face get unarguably his biggest win in his career, they booked him to look weaker to a wrestler who's not even on the main roster! Not to mention he hasn't had a one-on-one match in 8 years. This is a guy they built up to look like f***in' Superman. He won every feud he has been in, beaten Triple H, HBK, Angle, Jericho, Edge, JBL, Big Show, Kane. He's beaten everybody who's a main eventer besides Undertaker. Hell, he even beat Brock Lesnar. They booked him as the quid-essential top face, and even when he's been booed out of the building they kept him the top guy. After all those years of booking John Cena to be the "best" in the company, they completely throw it all away for a movie star, a former wrestler. It's complete nonsense and I'll never understand it. Yeah because Cena losing to Rock just made everything he did in his career pointless. Dude stop taking the outcome of that match as if it buried John. It didnt. It wasnt backwards booking and its not the first time someone from the past beat someone from the current crop. Top stars or not. Not the first time wont be the last. Time to deal with it. Rock/Cena was not like the majority of the matches you compared it to. Cena was not an upcoming star who absolutely needed to win. Who needed a big win to solidify himself. If this was Mania 22 and Cena was going up against Rock, then you would be 100% correct. Rock beat Lesnar, Angle beat Lesnar, Shawn Michaels beating Stone Cold are all horrible examples. Cena is not in the same position Lesnar and Austin were in those match ups. The only two you might have a case for is Hogan/Andre & Rock Hogan. Even then, that is debatable. I could have saw Rock losing to Hogan easily though. Especially, just like Cena today, Rock was already established so he wasnt going to be harmed with the loss. He could have lost that match and still retained his status. Andre beating Hogan is where the debates at. Anyway, It is not the end of the world for Cena and everything he did was not thrown away because he didnt win against Rock. You probably just thought this whole thing was going to be a mirror of Mania x8 and came out disappointed. But the fact that you act like this loss truly hurt Cena and his legacy, just speaks that you are just taking it way too seriously. Also, everything Arrow put applies as well.
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Post by MGH on Dec 19, 2012 20:53:46 GMT -5
Jericho at this past year's Rumble. I haven't been that bummed after a PPV in a long, long time. It was one of two things left in his career to achieve that he hadn't yet, and given the storyline we knew he would be facing Punk at Mania. Sheamus was already a two time Champion, so I thought the lectures I received on here about him having to have it so he could finally arrive or whatever were ridiculous. Sheamus' career wasn't and isn't ending any time soon. He could have won this year and had the same result the rest of this past year. I just have to think that was the last time Jericho will be placed in a major main event storyline timely enough to line up with him winning a Rumble. I'll probably never get that now.
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Post by gnr123 on Dec 19, 2012 21:07:28 GMT -5
Hogan lost to The Rock at WM 18. Than he won the WWE Championship a month later. He than beat Shawn Michaels and Randy Orton 2 years straight.
I highly doubt a lose to Cena would have made The Rock look weak by any means. I don't understand the notion that if Rock lost people would look at him differently. The Rock didn't need to win, because he's already got mainstream appeal and he's a big enough name so if he came back and won the WWE Championship at Royal Rumble nobody would even remember him losing to Cena.
Cena, on the other hand, never beat a man the caliber of The Rock. Sure, he beat HHH, HBK, Angle, Jericho, Lesnar, and so on. But this was one of the main guys from the past era. Rock was able to face and beat Hogan and Austin. Cena's not facing Hogan or Austin anytime soon. So who's the next guy on the list, The Rock. And they finally have the dream match of the decade, and the former wrestler wins. How does that make sense?
I understand it's in Rock's hometown, I understand he's a big name, but Cena should have won. I understand they probably didn't want to make Rock look weak, but what does it do for Cena? That he can't hang with a guy who hasn't wrestled for 8 years? It just made their current top guy look weaker than a part-time superstar from a previous era.
Now, Rock is probably going to end CM Punk's 400+ day reign as WWE Champion. He'll then face Cena at Wrestlemania 29 and Cena will finally get his win back. But, it would be all unnecessary if they had Cena win in the first place. The whole year story line, "one in a lifetime," all for a rematch. Some people have to realize that The Rock is a big enough draw that they could put him against a brick wall and they'll still get over 1.2 million buys. Just have The Rock on a poster for a PPV and they'll draw huge numbers. Rock could face anybody at Wrestlemania and it'll be a big draw.
Not to mention if Cena won, I highly doubt we would have had the summer we did. In fact, Cena would have most likely lost to Lesnar, which would have probably put Cena out of action for a few months. Lesnar could run rough-shot over the WWE, win the WWE Championship, and look as dominate as ever. Than, before Summerslam who returns to face Lesnar? John Cena. Cena beat Lesnar and saves the WWE from Brock Lesnar.
Nope, we had the long CM Punk title reign (which is for The Rock) and Cena's been floating around doing f*** all.
And where's The Rock? Yeah, I don't know either.
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Dec 19, 2012 21:12:13 GMT -5
This has happened more often than I'd like to admit. Why? I mean, I don't see the issue in not caring about booking and just wanting things to go well for the characters you like in a tv show. Personally, I love when I can go "YEAH C'MON KICK OUT KICK OUT KICK OUT" and act like a little kid over a match.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2012 21:14:24 GMT -5
My last big one was Rock/Cena. I was so hyped when The Rock won
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Post by unoriginalalex on Dec 19, 2012 21:15:57 GMT -5
Christian during his title match against Cena and Jericho in 2005.
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Post by AdamAFL was sooooo wrong on Dec 19, 2012 21:17:29 GMT -5
Punk @ MITB '11 Aries @ Dest. X Joe @ Lockdown '08 Nigel @ Undeniable Punk @ DBDIII
For one that didn't come off:
Christian in a Steel Cage Match for the WOrld Title at a Live Smackdown. For some reason I'd convinced myself they were just doing a trade the title back and forth deal ala Rock/Mankind in '99 and I thought Christian was gonna win and man I was so f***ing desperate for that to be the case, I was gutted.
Good thread by the way, my favourite victories and most crushing of losses in wrestling always come when I don't give a shit about it being good for business I just want Wrestler X to win it so badly that I lose myself in the moment.
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Post by AdamAFL was sooooo wrong on Dec 19, 2012 21:19:35 GMT -5
Christian during his title match against Cena and Jericho in 2005. This too, can't believe I forgot about that.
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Post by Chip on Dec 20, 2012 2:23:00 GMT -5
Mark Henry vs Orton for the WHC is one, everything about that match was fantastic and I was so happy that Mark won after his extremely entertaining build.
Punk vs Cena at MITB, this one is probably pretty self-explanatory for most of you here.
Sheamus at the Royal Rumble. Going into this I think everyone was certain that Jericho would win, I know I was. As the match started to go on and Sheamus stuck in there I started to get my hopes up until it was just down to Sheamus and Jericho then I was on the end of my seat. Every near elimination got me and I was just SO happy when Sheamus won.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 20, 2012 2:28:25 GMT -5
Pretty much every time Jack Swagger and Dolph Ziggler challenged for the tag team titles. I'm still pissed that WWE never truly pulled the trigger on them as a pairing.
Dolph Ziggler vs. Alex Riley at the Great American Bash SmackDown. I wanted Riley to get the upset and get into the Money in the Bank Ladder Match. While I love Dolph, and I'm enjoying his current push, I feel that he could've done all of that without the briefcase. I felt that Ziggler's MiTB victory was a bit underwhelming. Because Ziggler had already been pretty much an uppercard featured regular since early 2011, it didn't have that "he finally made it" feeling that The Miz, Daniel Bryan, and CM Punk's first MiTB win had.
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Post by The Ichi on Dec 20, 2012 2:42:17 GMT -5
I was rooting for Christian so badly every time he wrestled Orton last year. He eventually got a win - by being kicked in the junk. Better than nothing I guess.
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Post by "American Cream" Dusty Loads on Dec 20, 2012 2:42:57 GMT -5
Both HBK vs Taker matches. I knew Taker was winning, but I've been an HBK mark for years so I went into full mark mode with those matches.
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Post by mrtuesday on Dec 20, 2012 3:11:02 GMT -5
Anyone that goes against Cena
I must be a hate-filled man, but I find so much joy in seeing Cena lose.
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Post by froggyfrog on Dec 20, 2012 3:16:26 GMT -5
Kurt Angle in any match against Stone Cold during the Invasion
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Post by Arrow on Dec 20, 2012 4:49:38 GMT -5
Hogan lost to The Rock at WM 18. Than he won the WWE Championship a month later. He than beat Shawn Michaels and Randy Orton 2 years straight. That's great and all, but none of those matches were anything like what happened at WrestleMania 28. Hogan was around week-to-week for the first half of 2002. He could take big losses, and make it up by beating some other big name the next month. Rock isn't around on a weekly basis. He loses at WrestleMania 28, especially after Cena spent weeks telling the audience that he didn't have it anymore, and what does that do for Rock going forward? Especially since WWE still intends to make money off of him. I have no problem with anyone wanting Cena to win, from a fan standpoint. But Cena didn't need that win as much as The Rock. Of course it would have made Rock look weak. He was coming off an eight-year hiatus from the ring (SS '11 aside) and Cena had spent weeks going on about how his victory was inevitable and Rock wasn't "The Rock" anymore. If he's going to be used in any other programs, then he needed to prove to the world that he still had it. That's what the story of the match was about, Rock going toe-to-toe with the face of the company, and proving that he was still as tough as he was before. Cena's the top guy, there's no one better to be used to put over names like Rock then him, and by beating John Cena, Rock is now seen as being just as dominant now as he was in the Attitude Era. Now WWE can put Rock in title programs with CM Punk and it works because the audience knows that Rock has a shot at winning. Therefore they're more inclined to buy into that match. It's simple booking. So that they can still make money off the former wrestler's name, and people aren't thinking that he's just going to be jobbing to everybody he's put against. Cena got to beat Brock Lesnar, a special attraction just like The Rock, in a brutal match to make up for losing at WrestleMania. And WWE continued to throw him in programs against Laurinaitis, Show, Punk, Ziggler without anyone having any trouble buying into them because he lost this one match. Come 'Mania, and he'll beat The Rock and get that accolade, too. Tell me - how, in this past year, has Cena even been hurt by losing to Rock? A rematch that has the potential (provided it's sold right) to do big business for another WrestleMania. Since that's what WWE is banking on, then having Rock win the year before was still the right move, because now they can sell the rematch. And assuming Rock is leaving after that show, it's the ultimate rub for Cena to be the guy who ended his career once and for all. And none of it could be accomplished if Rock had lost at WrestleMania 28. That's not true at all. Do you honestly think Rock vs. Miz would have done as much? People were paying to see the top guy of one era face the top guy of this era. The match wouldn't have done well with just Rock. Cena was a part of that number as well, even if as the heel people wanted to see Rocky beat. So let me get this straight. Cena should have beaten one guy from the past so that he could lose to another guy from the past right afterwards? That's never the story WWE was going to put out, because a) Lesnar's not contracted for enough dates to make that story work and b) because WWE was never going to go for any extended period of time without John Cena there. They're not going to kill Rock's future credibility to fulfill an imaginary booking scenario. Getting ready for the big title match at the Royal Rumble. A match that we believe that he can actually win, because people know that Rock isn't just here to lose to everyone he goes up against. And all because he got the win he needed at WrestleMania.
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Post by Pipe_Bomb2k13 on Dec 20, 2012 5:07:30 GMT -5
Ziggler vs Rey for IC Title (I wanna say it was 09 but not sure) I was really annoyed that he dropped the belt to Morrison rather than Dolph and I like Morrison.
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Post by wrestling4ever on Dec 20, 2012 5:55:59 GMT -5
Hogan lost to The Rock at WM 18. Than he won the WWE Championship a month later. He than beat Shawn Michaels and Randy Orton 2 years straight. That's great and all, but none of those matches were anything like what happened at WrestleMania 28. Hogan was around week-to-week for the first half of 2002. He could take big losses, and make it up by beating some other big name the next month. Rock isn't around on a weekly basis. He loses at WrestleMania 28, especially after Cena spent weeks telling the audience that he didn't have it anymore, and what does that do for Rock going forward? Especially since WWE still intends to make money off of him. I have no problem with anyone wanting Cena to win, from a fan standpoint. But Cena didn't need that win as much as The Rock. Of course it would have made Rock look weak. He was coming off an eight-year hiatus from the ring (SS '11 aside) and Cena had spent weeks going on about how his victory was inevitable and Rock wasn't "The Rock" anymore. If he's going to be used in any other programs, then he needed to prove to the world that he still had it. That's what the story of the match was about, Rock going toe-to-toe with the face of the company, and proving that he was still as tough as he was before. Cena's the top guy, there's no one better to be used to put over names like Rock then him, and by beating John Cena, Rock is now seen as being just as dominant now as he was in the Attitude Era. Now WWE can put Rock in title programs with CM Punk and it works because the audience knows that Rock has a shot at winning. Therefore they're more inclined to buy into that match. It's simple booking. So that they can still make money off the former wrestler's name, and people aren't thinking that he's just going to be jobbing to everybody he's put against. Cena got to beat Brock Lesnar, a special attraction just like The Rock, in a brutal match to make up for losing at WrestleMania. And WWE continued to throw him in programs against Laurinaitis, Show, Punk, Ziggler without anyone having any trouble buying into them because he lost this one match. Come 'Mania, and he'll beat The Rock and get that accolade, too. Tell me - how, in this past year, has Cena even been hurt by losing to Rock? A rematch that has the potential (provided it's sold right) to do big business for another WrestleMania. Since that's what WWE is banking on, then having Rock win the year before was still the right move, because now they can sell the rematch. And assuming Rock is leaving after that show, it's the ultimate rub for Cena to be the guy who ended his career once and for all. And none of it could be accomplished if Rock had lost at WrestleMania 28. That's not true at all. Do you honestly think Rock vs. Miz would have done as much? People were paying to see the top guy of one era face the top guy of this era. The match wouldn't have done well with just Rock. Cena was a part of that number as well, even if as the heel people wanted to see Rocky beat. So let me get this straight. Cena should have beaten one guy from the past so that he could lose to another guy from the past right afterwards? That's never the story WWE was going to put out, because a) Lesnar's not contracted for enough dates to make that story work and b) because WWE was never going to go for any extended period of time without John Cena there. They're not going to kill Rock's future credibility to fulfill an imaginary booking scenario. Getting ready for the big title match at the Royal Rumble. A match that we believe that he can actually win, because people know that Rock isn't just here to lose to everyone he goes up against. And all because he got the win he needed at WrestleMania. Quality post. Summed up my thoughts.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2012 5:59:15 GMT -5
The biggest one though was the infamous Booker T WM19 match. Yep
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Post by Andy Martin on Dec 20, 2012 6:44:17 GMT -5
Flair against Edge in the TLC match on Raw.
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