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Post by Big Daddy Bad Booking on Dec 28, 2012 7:49:55 GMT -5
So WWE put this on their page acknowledging how the 'hardcore' fans embraced it. Don't know if anyone put this up, but I couldn't not stop laughing at some of these chants!
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Post by Juice on Dec 28, 2012 8:22:44 GMT -5
ON one hand i agree, the match had no place there. On the other, those "hardcore" ecw fans would sniff their own farts because they think they are so much in the know, it's annoying.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Dec 28, 2012 8:38:38 GMT -5
I usually detest "smark" chants. but I still think "Change The Channel" is one of the best chants I've ever heard. Can't think of another instance where a live crowd directed a chant at the people watching on TV..very meta, Hammerstein Ballroom.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Dec 28, 2012 10:41:47 GMT -5
IMO that was the match that KILLED Face Batista. he had no idea how to react to negative crowd response and it showed. at least Big Show was a heel and knew how to handle all the hecklers ("You can't wrestle" "I DON'T HAVE TO!").
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Post by kingoftheindies on Dec 28, 2012 10:56:20 GMT -5
IMO that was the match that KILLED Face Batista. he had no idea how to react to negative crowd response and it showed. at least Big Show was a heel and knew how to handle all the hecklers ("You can't wrestle" "I DON'T HAVE TO!"). agreed. What made Batista look worse is how he came out and whined about the fans later. Now I understand that those fans are the smarkiest of smarks, but he just looked like a child. Big Show had fun with it. Really playing up to the crowd. IIRC he did a pretty impressive move and the crowd did some chant like "still can't wrestle"
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Post by Hawk Hart on Dec 28, 2012 11:11:08 GMT -5
IMO that was the match that KILLED Face Batista. he had no idea how to react to negative crowd response and it showed. at least Big Show was a heel and knew how to handle all the hecklers ("You can't wrestle" "I DON'T HAVE TO!"). agreed. What made Batista look worse is how he came out and whined about the fans later. Now I understand that those fans are the smarkiest of smarks, but he just looked like a child. Big Show had fun with it. Really playing up to the crowd. IIRC he did a pretty impressive move and the crowd did some chant like "still can't wrestle" Agreed on Batista looking like an ass with the way he handled. I wonder if anybody backstage took him aside and said "Look Dave, we know the regular crowds love your Batista Bombing, the whole thumbs taunt, and that bitchin' belly button tattoo but these people are gonna hate it so try to stay face and for the love of god try not to look at the audience like they all personally shit in your lunch."
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Dec 28, 2012 11:36:09 GMT -5
Reactions to crowds like that seperate the professionals from the wannabes. Guys like Big Show and John Cena came out of the Hammerstein Ballroom looking good while Big Dave didn't.
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Post by Push R Truth on Dec 28, 2012 11:42:21 GMT -5
Reactions to crowds like that seperate the professionals from the wannabes. Guys like Big Show and John Cena came out of the Hammerstein Ballroom looking good while Big Dave didn't. And that's why I give Big Show a lot of credit. While he doesn't entertain me very often, he's so damn good at adjusting on the fly. He has a lot of talent when it comes down to winging it. He's sometimes so good you can't tell if it's legit or not. Like breaking the podium.
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Post by Chuckie Finster on Dec 28, 2012 11:43:19 GMT -5
That's the match that made me become a Big Show fan. His whole ECW Title run was awesome. On the other hand, it was amazing to watch Dave completely melt in front of those people.
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Post by Trout Stratus on Dec 28, 2012 11:56:20 GMT -5
Reactions to crowds like that seperate the professionals from the wannabes. Guys like Big Show and John Cena came out of the Hammerstein Ballroom looking good while Big Dave didn't. And that's why I give Big Show a lot of credit. While he doesn't entertain me very often, he's so damn good at adjusting on the fly. He has a lot of talent when it comes down to winging it. He's sometimes so good you can't tell if it's legit or not. Like breaking the podium. I laughed too hard at that last line.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Dec 28, 2012 12:00:50 GMT -5
And that's why I give Big Show a lot of credit. While he doesn't entertain me very often, he's so damn good at adjusting on the fly. He has a lot of talent when it comes down to winging it. He's sometimes so good you can't tell if it's legit or not. Like breaking the podium. Fully agree. Not the biggest fan of Big Show but he can be awesomely entertaining when he's doing his own thing and not sticking fully to the script. It's when he's given a long, rambling, scripted promo as a heel or, a Cena-lite style promo full of lame jokes and insults as a face that he starts to suck.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2012 12:37:17 GMT -5
This is one case where I thought the fan reaction was completely justified.
It's not like they were in some big arena where, while the crowd would still lean to the smarky side, there would be plenty of regular casual fans too. At Hammerstein you know exactly what kind of crowd you're going to get and everyone in the business should know it by now. It's not like Hammerstein is some obscure backwater building at this point, WWE knows exactly what goes on there and have run shows there in the past.
So if, knowing all that, you book Big Show vs Batista in the main event at that arena anyway I'm assuming you WANT fans to crap on it. Or just want to give them the finger for some reason.
It wasn't like it was in Philly where some loud group of a few hundred people were "spoiling" things for everyone. No one in the Hammerstein wanted to see that match and the WWE should have, DID in fact, know that. They had to know that.
If I was there I would have crapped on it too.
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Post by BigJerichool222 on Dec 28, 2012 13:27:08 GMT -5
My favorite part was Big Show apparently thinking CHANGE THE CHANNEL chants were TAKE A SHOWER chants, and sniffing himself as a result.
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Post by The Ichi on Dec 28, 2012 14:35:49 GMT -5
Big Show came from WCW, he's used to rowdy crowds. Batista isn't. Though he was a pretty old dude he was still a modern age wrestler in how late he got into it.
I know that Cena is also a modern wrestler and can handle crowds like a pro, but Cena is something else.
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Post by Jimmy on Dec 28, 2012 17:33:51 GMT -5
This is one case where I thought the fan reaction was completely justified. It's not like they were in some big arena where, while the crowd would still lean to the smarky side, there would be plenty of regular casual fans too. At Hammerstein you know exactly what kind of crowd you're going to get and everyone in the business should know it by now. It's not like Hammerstein is some obscure backwater building at this point, WWE knows exactly what goes on there and have run shows there in the past. So if, knowing all that, you book Big Show vs Batista in the main event at that arena anyway I'm assuming you WANT fans to crap on it. Or just want to give them the finger for some reason. It wasn't like it was in Philly where some loud group of a few hundred people were "spoiling" things for everyone. No one in the Hammerstein wanted to see that match and the WWE should have, DID in fact, know that. They had to know that. If I was there I would have crapped on it too. This. Normally I dislike smarky crowds trying to get themselves over by being 'clever', but WWE knew exactly what they were getting into by booking Batista vs. Big Show in the mecca of smartmarkdom.
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Post by Evil Homer on Dec 28, 2012 18:03:48 GMT -5
I was there live that night, There were other random chants like- "snakes on a plane", and after the show went off the air, Show and Big Dave Hugged, which bought upon a brokeback mountain chant
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on Dec 28, 2012 18:19:02 GMT -5
This was the show that made CM Punk and irreparably broke WWECW. Vince knew exactly what he was doing. Have a hoss-irrific main event in the damn Hammerstein Ballroom without an ECW Original in sight. Use the legendary crowd reaction to justify: 1) Never booking the Hammerstein again, 2) Moving December to Dismember to Georgia, 3) Never taping ECW separately from Smackdown, ensuring you have a WWE mark audience instead of the ECW smarks, 4) Using the preceding three items to force your vision on Heyman and make ECW into a watered down WWE-style program.
Because of this, we never had this rowdy atmosphere in WWECW again, which was most of the charm of those first two One Night Stands.
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Post by George. on Dec 28, 2012 20:26:44 GMT -5
Pretty much the sole reason why the ECW brand didn't continue filming in the Bingo Hall.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Dec 28, 2012 20:27:23 GMT -5
This was the show that made CM Punk and irreparably broke WWECW. Vince knew exactly what he was doing. Have a hoss-irrific main event in the damn Hammerstein Ballroom without an ECW Original in sight. Use the legendary crowd reaction to justify: 1) Never booking the Hammerstein again, 2) Moving December to Dismember to Georgia, 3) Never taping ECW separately from Smackdown, ensuring you have a WWE mark audience instead of the ECW smarks, 4) Using the preceding three items to force your vision on Heyman and make ECW into a watered down WWE-style program. Because of this, we never had this rowdy atmosphere in WWECW again, which was most of the charm of those first two One Night Stands. to be fair, of Heyman's original ideas for the relaunch of ECW, only CM Punk really worked out. I remember the interviews from Heyman back then, he was convinced Kevin Thorne and Ariel would get over because "Bite Clubs" were becoming bigger and bigger. Never heard of them before that, haven't since. He also thought it would be great to make Mike Knox into a jealous boyfriend of Kelly Kelly. Which was strange for many reasons, but Knox did somewhat get over during his Smackdown run before Evan Bourne got hurt. Heyman also wanted to push Eric Escobar, Johnny of the Spirit Squad (as Jayden Jeter) Derrick Neikirk, and I believe MIke Kruel on his show while Vince wanted him to reinvigorate some of WWE's lower guys who hadn't been doing much. The house shows kind of flopped as did some of the guys Heyman really liked. That is what helped contribute to Heyman leaving... that and A LOT of ECW original guys trashed bringing ECW back... even guys who went to the WWE like Sabu and Sandman said they really didn't want to go to WWE full time but were offered deals that were too good to refuse
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Dec 28, 2012 20:44:16 GMT -5
This was the show that made CM Punk and irreparably broke WWECW. Vince knew exactly what he was doing. Have a hoss-irrific main event in the damn Hammerstein Ballroom without an ECW Original in sight. Use the legendary crowd reaction to justify: 1) Never booking the Hammerstein again, 2) Moving December to Dismember to Georgia, 3) Never taping ECW separately from Smackdown, ensuring you have a WWE mark audience instead of the ECW smarks, 4) Using the preceding three items to force your vision on Heyman and make ECW into a watered down WWE-style program. Because of this, we never had this rowdy atmosphere in WWECW again, which was most of the charm of those first two One Night Stands. Yeah, there's two basic explanations as to why this happened. Either Vince and company had no idea what would happen if they put Big Show vs. Batista in front of Hammerstein and figured the ECW audience would eat up this main event. Or they intentionally sabotaged the show so they would have an excuse to never run the small ECW arenas again. To be honest, I can't even be sure which one it is, as I can totally believe people like Vince or Steph or Kevin Dunn or whoever actually thinking that Hammerstein would positively respond to Batista vs. Big Show despite Paul Heyman pleading with them not to go through with it.
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