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Post by dav on Dec 30, 2012 13:01:49 GMT -5
Reading a few old Batman trades and I'm really missing Jean Paul Valley. Not as much as Cassandra Cain but he was a good addition to the Bat Family.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 30, 2012 13:13:24 GMT -5
Just learned of the Spidey thing and.... Holy s***, that's worse than One More Day. No way this makes it to two years. One, sure, editors are stubborn, but not two. I've been saying this a lot lately, and I'll say it again: This is gonna be undone by the time the Amazing Spider-Man movie sequel rolls around, trust me on that. Yeah I don't think there's any doubt of that. I give it like a year. Still doesn't to my mind make it a story I wanna read. I forgot to address the 'just go with it' thing Legion was talking about last thread; and that's perfectly valid; they're comics, we all know they're going to eventually go status quo, I can certainly see that POV. Just for me, Spidey post One More Day, and especially with this, it's just not something I wanna spend my $ on to read. This isn't me, or those like me raising our pitchforks and nerd raging ( there's certainly some of that going on, and that's just ludicrous); this is us going.. "eh, no thanks, I think I'll sit this one out." I don't care enough to give the story time to develop or see where it goes, because I'm just not interested in the premise. Same thing when I gave up after One More Day, it wasn't in any misguided fanboy protest; it's just an admission of " I'm not the audience for this, this isn't want I wanna read, so Vaya Con Dios Spidey Team". If it interests you, awesome ( though I think Lee/Kirby did the same in one issue of FF in the Sixties with This Man/This Monster, which in fairness was pretty great.); just not my thing, and not my Spidey to read. Same deal with say New 52. I've just got no interest once they rebooted, and thus no desire to plunk down my $ for something I don't care about. But then, I have to admit, as much as I love superhero comics, I've been disillusioned with most of 'em for quite some time. Maybe it's just having read em for nearly thirty years, I've seen almost everything, and it's time to take a break. No fanboy rage on my part, just acknowledging that I'm not the main audience for the books anymore. And that's ok. I've still got Fables, The Goon, etc.
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Post by Legion on Dec 30, 2012 13:15:22 GMT -5
That's the way to see it then.
If you dont enjoy it anymore, you dont read it.
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Post by Thaal Sinestro on Dec 30, 2012 15:55:04 GMT -5
If anyone reads the The Ultimates where do you think they are going with the other Nick Fury story line He's gonna be regular Nick Fury's white son.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Dec 30, 2012 17:04:46 GMT -5
If anyone reads the The Ultimates where do you think they are going with the other Nick Fury story line He's gonna be regular Nick Fury's white son. And for lols, he'll be named Mark Johnston, and have a black guy friend named Phil Coulson.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2012 17:38:25 GMT -5
So after reading ASM 700 yesterday, I read Avenging Spidey 15.1 today......and I'm just confused now. {Spoiler}With ASM's ending, we get the sense that Ock is more sympathetic, and redeemed moreorless. So of course Avenging 15.1 starts with him laughing at the wend of ASM 700. ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) To be fair, it does kinda head back down the road ASM established: him being much more sympathetic and redeemable. He adds a lot of context to how he's settling into the role; points our repeatedly that Peter held back, and that he doesn't intend to (but also not really slighting Pete), and even that he sees MJ as a liability that may have to be dealt with.....but knows that won't be easy ("Good lord that woman!" ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) ) and it seems to end on the note that he's just going to be a better Spider-Man and Peter Parker. I'm guessing they didn't really tell this writer what Slott was doing. It's an awkward fit with ASM 700, but it's not a square peg/round hole fit at least.
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Post by BRAINFADE on Dec 30, 2012 18:02:22 GMT -5
Well yeah I picked up ASM #700 today, just because it was #700 and apparently the series is ending (I haven't read a Spidey book since OMD). I'm not really raging at it, more just shaking my head in disappointment. {Spoiler}The ending was unbelievably stupid and lazy.I think the main problem I have is that there is absolutely no way that, of all villains, DOCTOR OCTOPUS would have become sympathetic to Peter's trials and tribulations to reform and start acting responsibly. The guy has been written as an uncaring, pig-headed psychopath for the last 50 years. The very notion that Ock could reform is laughable.
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Dec 30, 2012 18:46:13 GMT -5
Well yeah I picked up ASM #700 today, just because it was #700 and apparently the series is ending (I haven't read a Spidey book since OMD). I'm not really raging at it, more just shaking my head in disappointment. {Spoiler}The ending was unbelievably stupid and lazy.I think the main problem I have is that there is absolutely no way that, of all villains, DOCTOR OCTOPUS would have become sympathetic to Peter's trials and tribulations to reform and start acting responsibly. The guy has been written as an uncaring, pig-headed psychopath for the last 50 years. The very notion that Ock could reform is laughable. {Spoiler}I just keep on thinking back to that time he was such an evil and dishonorable asshole that even his own Masters of Evil team turned on him.
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Post by Legion on Dec 30, 2012 19:08:29 GMT -5
It's worth noting that Ock has Peter's memories and experiences in his head now. As such, as evil as he is, that is going to have an effect on you.
It's like if you are a generally good person, but then suddenly have all the memories and experiences of a historical monster shoved in to your head. There is going to be bleed through and it is going to change you.
Granted not as fast it seems to have Ock, but they have to have him able to actually appear all over the place and not be a total villain for whatever the story is going to build to and so that Spider-Man can continue after the SQ returns.
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Post by Jam on Dec 30, 2012 20:53:48 GMT -5
Reading a few old Batman trades and I'm really missing Jean Paul Valley. Not as much as Cassandra Cain but he was a good addition to the Bat Family. Hell yes. I just got done reading Knightfall again. Azreal was a bad ass. The way he handled Bane was awesome.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2012 21:02:40 GMT -5
It's worth noting that Ock has Peter's memories and experiences in his head now. As such, as evil as he is, that is going to have an effect on you. It's like if you are a generally good person, but then suddenly have all the memories and experiences of a historical monster shoved in to your head. There is going to be bleed through and it is going to change you. Granted not as fast it seems to have Ock, but they have to have him able to actually appear all over the place and not be a total villain for whatever the story is going to build to and so that Spider-Man can continue after the SQ returns. Oh indeed. ASM 700 very much hammered that point home. I'm just kinda surprised that Avenging 15.1 was a considerable disconnect since it's considered the epilogue to ASM 700; like it had to do its own story of Ock "finding the right way", resetting ASM 700 a bit and then coming back to (moreorless) the same conclusion.
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Post by Goldenbane on Dec 30, 2012 21:45:10 GMT -5
I really can't help but laugh at all this Spider-man non-sense. How many years did we have to listen to Joe Quesada and others like him whine and complain that Peter Parker was "too old" and "unrelatable to newer, younger, fans" because he was married. So they stick the mind of a 40 or 50 something year old guy's mind in his body? Also, I'm kinda getting fed up with all the great villains seemingly reforming all the sudden. Dr. Doom is all over the place...good/bad/good/bad/good/bad, Magneto seems to be back as a good guy again (sort of, I guess), Loki has been reverted into a little twerp kid and is a good guy (when I last read), Eddie Brock is now a sort of good guy with his new symbiote suit, the original Venom suit is also a sort of good guy on Flash Thomson, and now Dr. Octopus is a good guy. Where are all my classic bad guys going?
I gotta throw my hat in with the others on this thread though. I can't really bring myself into a nerd rage over this. I know Pete's coming back (knowing Marvel, probably reborn as a stupid 8 year old kid or something) and the status quo will be back to normal. However, until they undo One More Day, I'm not picking up current Spiderman titles ever again.
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Post by Michael Coello on Dec 30, 2012 21:48:06 GMT -5
Combo breaker, but I read the complete Deadpool Kills the Marvel UNIVERSE, and all in all....meh.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Dec 30, 2012 22:20:18 GMT -5
I just heard on some other sites I visit that apparently one of my favorite comic writers, Peter David, has suffered a stroke. I hope he's alright and is able to make a full recovery.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Dec 30, 2012 22:39:02 GMT -5
Also, I'm kinda getting fed up with all the great villains seemingly reforming all the sudden. Dr. Doom is all over the place...good/bad/good/bad/good/bad, Magneto seems to be back as a good guy again (sort of, I guess), Loki has been reverted into a little twerp kid and is a good guy (when I last read), Eddie Brock is now a sort of good guy with his new symbiote suit, the original Venom suit is also a sort of good guy on Flash Thomson, and now Dr. Octopus is a good guy. Where are all my classic bad guys going? Agreed except for this one. Kid Loki is a really awesome take on the character. He's more "chaotic good" than "good guy" and just entertaining as all hell.
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Post by Goldenbane on Dec 30, 2012 22:55:45 GMT -5
Also, I'm kinda getting fed up with all the great villains seemingly reforming all the sudden. Dr. Doom is all over the place...good/bad/good/bad/good/bad, Magneto seems to be back as a good guy again (sort of, I guess), Loki has been reverted into a little twerp kid and is a good guy (when I last read), Eddie Brock is now a sort of good guy with his new symbiote suit, the original Venom suit is also a sort of good guy on Flash Thomson, and now Dr. Octopus is a good guy. Where are all my classic bad guys going? Agreed except for this one. Kid Loki is a really awesome take on the character. He's more "chaotic good" than "good guy" and just entertaining as all hell. I'm actually willing to give kid Loki a pass since there's apparently a guy named Ikol who's like the living embodiment of the old evil Loki. If he was reborn, but little kid Loki was still allowed to be around, I'd be perfectly happy with that.
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Post by Thaal Sinestro on Dec 30, 2012 23:11:42 GMT -5
Oh and Eddie's dead(For now anyway)
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Dec 30, 2012 23:46:27 GMT -5
I really can't help but laugh at all this Spider-man non-sense. How many years did we have to listen to Joe Quesada and others like him whine and complain that Peter Parker was "too old" and "unrelatable to newer, younger, fans" because he was married. So they stick the mind of a 40 or 50 something year old guy's mind in his body? Also, I'm kinda getting fed up with all the great villains seemingly reforming all the sudden. Dr. Doom is all over the place...good/bad/good/bad/good/bad, Magneto seems to be back as a good guy again (sort of, I guess), Loki has been reverted into a little twerp kid and is a good guy (when I last read), Eddie Brock is now a sort of good guy with his new symbiote suit, the original Venom suit is also a sort of good guy on Flash Thomson, and now Dr. Octopus is a good guy. Where are all my classic bad guys going? I gotta throw my hat in with the others on this thread though. I can't really bring myself into a nerd rage over this. I know Pete's coming back (knowing Marvel, probably reborn as a stupid 8 year old kid or something) and the status quo will be back to normal. However, until they undo One More Day, I'm not picking up current Spiderman titles ever again. actually Eddie Brock's dead now. not that I mind, Flash's much better as Venom anyway. I have to largely agree though. I like a good redemption story as much as the next guy but Marvel seems to have this fascination with giving every major villain a face turn for some reason. I know it's not a popular story, but I love how Planet X was basically Grant Morrison tweaking people about Magneto somehow being redeemable in spite of being a terrorist who probably killed more people than Tim McVeigh.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Dec 31, 2012 0:28:41 GMT -5
At the very least, we're not gonna see a reformed Red Skull any time ever. (Then again, having a Nazi war criminal reform? That's just not right.)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2012 0:44:24 GMT -5
At the very least, we're not gonna see a reformed Red Skull any time ever. (Then again, having a Nazi war criminal reform? That's just not right.) Baron Blitzschlag.
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