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Post by willywonka666 on Feb 12, 2013 14:47:08 GMT -5
Particularly the period from when he lost the title to Flair. I know he sided with Jimmy in his battle with The Varsity Club, but was the whole Flair feud over? How long did he stick around after he turned on Dusty Rhodes at The Great American Bash in the summer of 88? I remember seeing him accept the money and I was just reading an old magazine where Jimmy was all over him for turning bad, but did he make any other appearances?
I know he went to the AWA before finally arriving in the WWF. He was in his 40s by this point, did they really have any plans for him, or were they just raiding the NWA for talent?
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Feb 12, 2013 15:33:07 GMT -5
I am really stretching here, but I may have heard he was earlier 'promised' the NWA title and they just decided to honor it, even though they didn't have longterm plans for him. I haven't heard a lot of stories of the NWA World Heavyweight Championship being "promised" to people during that time period, so it might not be true.
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Post by Jimmy on Feb 12, 2013 15:44:04 GMT -5
I just watched the 88 Bash the other day and it's pretty crazy to hear the response he for turning on Dusty. Kind of surprising he wasn't then added to the uppercard picture to face the top babyfaces like Dusty, Sting, Nikita, Luger, etc. Afterwards though, Garvin just teamed with Al Perez for a few weeks and according to historyofwwe.com his last match was in September 88 where Sting & Dick Murdoch defeated Ron Garvin & Ivan Koloff. Apparently Jim Cornette took credit for the M.E. giving Garvin an injury. www.youtube.com/watch?v=srgyKRJlg1oGreat promo by Gary Hart with Ronnie and Al Perez after the turn. |
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Feb 12, 2013 15:54:29 GMT -5
Garvin left before any kind of blow off for the turn on Dusty. If I recall correctly, Dusty ended up doing some kind of promo where he said he beat up Garvin in a bar and ran him off.
I don't know the story, but at Fanfest in Atlanta in 2011, a fan was talking to Garvin about how much they enjoyed the angle where he took the money & turned on Dusty & how they had always wondered why he was gone so soon after. Garvin just kind of smiled and said, "Well, if they had waited a while, I would have done it for free," which sounds to me like there was some tension between Garvin and Rhodes behind the scene.
Obviously, I wasn't there, so it's just speculation.
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Post by willywonka666 on Feb 12, 2013 20:40:34 GMT -5
I really got into watching the NWA in early 88 and didn't see the big deal exactly about Garvin, but damn, looking back at the buildup to his match with Flair, he was hot at that time with the fans and I agree with their decision to give him the belt, even for a couple of months
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Feb 13, 2013 10:24:17 GMT -5
Garvin getting the belt, in my opinion, gets unfairly trashed these days. Putting the belt on him wasn't a bad idea. He was definitely over in the southeast where they were still largely based. The problem was keeping him and Flair separated until Starrcade and not having any other challengers for him. Then they ran Starrcade in Chicago, where Flair was more likely to have the crowd support. The whole thing just seems poorly thought out and mishandled.
And Jimmy, I love the Gary Hart promo. "Uncle Gary" is too often overlooked these days.
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Post by Kash Flagg on Feb 13, 2013 15:00:40 GMT -5
From everything I've read, whoever got the reign that Garvin ended up getting would only be keeping it warm for Flair to win back. I had read that several people were offered it, including Barry Windham, but they all turned it down. Garvin didn't.
He was a believable champion, but he was hurt because of the lack of title defences.
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Post by willywonka666 on Feb 13, 2013 15:47:25 GMT -5
From everything I've read, whoever got the reign that Garvin ended up getting would only be keeping it warm for Flair to win back. I had read that several people were offered it, including Barry Windham, but they all turned it down. Garvin didn't. He was a believable champion, but he was hurt because of the lack of title defences. It's not like he couldn't wrestle. They acted like one of the Mulkeys won the belt |
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Post by sportatorium on Feb 13, 2013 21:10:29 GMT -5
Ronnie was really good in the ring and was over as a babyface challenger. As one can see from his part in the promo linked above, he was a pretty terrible talker. He comes off as a villanous gym teacher in a John Hughes movie more than a dastardly turncoat. Gary actually has to take the mic back & finish the promo. Flair could get just about anyone over who was facing him at that point too. I actually think commentary did a ton to get him over calling him hands of stone and talking him up as such a badass.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2013 10:00:34 GMT -5
You'd have to remember Ron was already a 20+ year veteran of the sport when he beat Flair.
After Ron left WCW, he won the WWC Universal title and the AWA "International" TV title. The magazines would have him talking about how he was a hired gun out to win titles, which in turn provided more money. "Why did I turn on Dusty Rhodes? Money. Why did I beat Carlos Colon and take his belt? More money. Why did I pick on poor Greg Gagne and take his title? More money. I do what I want if the price is right."
(Seeing as how this was not long after Bruiser Brody was murdered, maybe Ron wanted to take his place.)
Then he appeared in the WWF as a good guy (he signed with them while he was still AWA TV champion, but did one job to Greg before starting with Vince), yet for some reason I just wasn't buying. I wanted him to continue that bad guy gimmick.
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