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Post by mjolnir on Feb 14, 2013 22:24:22 GMT -5
I think it's partially because even Nintendo tends to play him off as this really weird, almost pathetic, delusional, sympathetic villain in the intros to the games and such. Then there's things like his race track being a gigantic pinball game for Mario Kart DS. Unlike Wario, or Bowser, who is a legitimate threat, Waluigi's almost depressing in how much of a non-threat he is.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2013 22:27:29 GMT -5
Best: Waluigi
Worst: Peach
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Post by mizerable on Feb 14, 2013 22:37:26 GMT -5
Best; Booster, Tatanga, Francis, Mallow, Kamek, Parakarry, Donkey Kong Jr.
Worst; Waluigi, Toadette and all the other useless characters who have little or no reason to exist outside of being "there" to play tennis, kart, party or other outrageous Mario spin off multi player game. And I really don't care what "fans" did to Waluigi, he doesn't deserve s*** until Miyamoto gets off his lazy ass and gives him his own game. And if he is a playable character in the next SSB game before that happens, then I won't be buying that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2013 22:38:37 GMT -5
Best; Booster, Tatanga, Francis, Mallow, Kamek, Parakarry, Donkey Kong Jr. Worst; Waluigi, Toadette and all the other useless characters who have little or no reason to exist outside of being "there" to play tennis, kart, party orother outrageous Mario spin off multi player game. And I really don't care what "fans" did to Waluigi, he doesn't deserve s*** until Miyamoto gets off his lazy ass and gives him his own game. And if he is a playable character in the next SSB game before that happens, then I won't be buying that. Does it help that Toadette actually did get a non-sports game appearance? She cameos in Galaxy's opening and she handles the tutorials for new equipment in Thousand Year Door.
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Post by mizerable on Feb 14, 2013 22:45:08 GMT -5
Does it help that Toadette actually did get a non-sports game appearance? She cameos in Galaxy's opening and she handles the tutorials for new equipment in Thousand Year Door. I don't recall her cameos in Galaxy, but the tutorials are almost a pass in TYD, but still she technically doesn't "exist" there. To me, it would be cooler to treat her the way they do T.T. in Diddy Kong Racing, he feels a lot more deserving as a character despite being a one off creation, since they actually allow for him to have SOME kind of substance. I think I've hated Waluigi ever since they had him kick Bowser's ass in Mario Party 3...that made no goddamn sense. But seriously, why not a Super Wario Bros. game, or maybe a Mario Land II-like game in the theme of NSMBW where you control both Mario and Luigi as they go up against Wario and Waluigi. Give me SOMETHING, Nintendo.
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Post by CMWaters on Feb 14, 2013 22:45:57 GMT -5
Waluigi is actually a villain in the Mario DDR game, if that's anything.
Personally I would like to see a Wario and Waluigi game in a similar style to the Mario & Luigi games.
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Post by Malcolm on Feb 14, 2013 22:46:57 GMT -5
Does it help that Toadette actually did get a non-sports game appearance? She cameos in Galaxy's opening and she handles the tutorials for new equipment in Thousand Year Door. I don't recall her cameos in Galaxy, but the tutorials are almost a pass in TYD, but still she technically doesn't "exist" there. To me, it would be cooler to treat her the way they do T.T. in Diddy Kong Racing, he feels a lot more deserving as a character despite being a one off creation, since they actually allow for him to have SOME kind of substance. I think I've hated Waluigi ever since they had him kick Bowser's ass in Mario Party 3...that made no goddamn sense. But seriously, why not a Super Wario Bros. game, or maybe a Mario Land II-like game in the theme of NSMBW where you control both Mario and Luigi as they go up against Wario and Waluigi. Give me SOMETHING, Nintendo. Miyamoto apparently thinks people would rather play as two generic toads instead...
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Post by Fiddleford H. McGucket on Feb 14, 2013 22:49:12 GMT -5
Worst: That bastard cake from Super Mario RPG. Bundt can die in a Fire. Wait....That might relight the candles...... Seriously though....f*** that Cake....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2013 23:01:25 GMT -5
Does it help that Toadette actually did get a non-sports game appearance? She cameos in Galaxy's opening and she handles the tutorials for new equipment in Thousand Year Door. I don't recall her cameos in Galaxy, but the tutorials are almost a pass in TYD, but still she technically doesn't "exist" there. To me, it would be cooler to treat her the way they do T.T. in Diddy Kong Racing, he feels a lot more deserving as a character despite being a one off creation, since they actually allow for him to have SOME kind of substance. I think I've hated Waluigi ever since they had him kick Bowser's ass in Mario Party 3...that made no goddamn sense. But seriously, why not a Super Wario Bros. game, or maybe a Mario Land II-like game in the theme of NSMBW where you control both Mario and Luigi as they go up against Wario and Waluigi. Give me SOMETHING, Nintendo. {Spoiler} Not a whole lot of substance, but there's her appearance in Galaxy. Also, on the Paper Mario thing, while she doesn't really add much, you can also find something she wrote on the back of the lottery sign board. Not a whole lot but it's something.
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Post by mizerable on Feb 14, 2013 23:23:38 GMT -5
It's still not enough to warrant just tacking her in every multi player game.
I think there's plenty of characters they could use in those roles that are no longer used at all. Hell, even take the f***ing Donkey Kong characters out, and just keep them to their own universe. You could keep Donkey Kong Junior around though since I treat him as a separate entity from the DKC universe and no it's not DK as a child.
Another guy I miss is Mouser...he f***ing kicked ass. Why can't he be a Kart driver instead of a f***ing Mii?
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Post by mjolnir on Feb 14, 2013 23:26:27 GMT -5
To be fair, whether you treat him as a separate entity or not, it's official canon that Donkey Kong (the current one) is DK Jr. all grown up and that Cranky Kong is the original DK from the arcade.
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Post by CMWaters on Feb 14, 2013 23:27:06 GMT -5
Another guy I miss is Mouser...he f***ing kicked ass. Why can't he be a Kart driver instead of a f***ing Mii? Not before Captain Syrup. Hey, if a bunch of DK characters can get into those games, why not one of Wario's villains?
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Post by mizerable on Feb 14, 2013 23:46:22 GMT -5
To be fair, whether you treat him as a separate entity or not, it's official canon that Donkey Kong (the current one) is DK Jr. all grown up and that Cranky Kong is the original DK from the arcade. Even though it's canon, it's just stupid. I remember Rare announcing that, then backpedaling, then Nintendo just accepting that. It was so lame. And while the argument wouldn't hold true now (seeing as Baby Mario can Kart with regular Mario), when Mario Tennis for N64 came out, they had both DK and Donkey Kong Jr. so at least at that time, they were separate entities. And when regarding ONLY Mario's universe, here's what I think; Donkey Kong Junior > DK I like Junior a lot more than DK (outside of the Rare universe) for so many reasons. He felt like he belonged a lot more in Mario's universe than the Rare stylized DK.
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Post by g1megatronfan on Feb 14, 2013 23:48:30 GMT -5
Best:
Mario - He's just a blast to play as for me.
Bowser - Such a lovable villain to me. I enjoy playing as him in Super Paper Mario and Bowser's Inside Story. They need to give Bowser a proper game of his own. They can even have the Koopalings as playable characters too. If Wario can have some games...so should Bowser.
Luigi - He's always fun to have around in games.
Worst:
Peach - what a stupid chick. You would think she would take every precaution by now to avoid being attacked and kidnapped. She should have a full mushroom brigade or something surrounding the land and skies around her castle.
Toad: what a whiny character.
Wart: not worthy of being a final boss in a Mario game...yes I know the game is originally Doki Doki Panic but they could have done better than him.
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Post by mizerable on Feb 14, 2013 23:58:58 GMT -5
Another guy I miss is Mouser...he f***ing kicked ass. Why can't he be a Kart driver instead of a f***ing Mii? Not before Captain Syrup. Hey, if a bunch of DK characters can get into those games, why not one of Wario's villains? I agree, but first and foremost, I would take out the DK characters and leave them to their own universe. If they must race, bring back Diddy Kong Racing. Along with scrapping the DK characters, I would get rid of the babies and other non-Mario characters such as Pac Man, Mii and ROB etc etc. Also Troopa gets a pass for being an innovator in terms of being a regular character who is playable in Super Mario Kart, but holy God...now Dry Bones, Paratroopa and Boo get in the mix? Sorry, but no. Troopa gets a pass for historical reasons, but we've got a whole barrage of Mario characters you could use in those games; Boom Boom Booster Captain Syrup Donkey Kong Junior (again, he's an entity in the Mario world, not DKC) FLUDD (more established than Waluigi, I don't I want him, just making a point) Mallow Mouser Pauline Tatanga Wart Koopa Kids (make them bosses of each board/area and make Bowser an end boss, the same way you would in other games) I don't know...I just feel most Mario spinoff games feel so uninspired anymore.
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Post by CMWaters on Feb 15, 2013 0:01:54 GMT -5
Actually, Kong gets a pass...
But only because of the Mario vs. Donkey Kong games.
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Post by mizerable on Feb 15, 2013 0:02:02 GMT -5
Wart: not worthy of being a final boss in a Mario game...yes I know the game is originally Doki Doki Panic but they could have done better than him. Dude, Wart kicks ass. He's a much better final boss than either SMB1 or SMB3, where you beat Bowser by AVOIDING him. It wasn't until SMW that Mario decided to fight back and Bowser wasn't as stupid.
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