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Post by salsashark on Feb 18, 2013 12:56:56 GMT -5
It's a known fact, all parents should be locked in their house never to leave until their baby is at least 11 years old. Just to cover my own ass as someone on the other side, I never said this. I'm saying that planes are an especially bad area to have crying children because you can't f***ing leave. If it's a restaurant or theater or similar venue, a parent with any courtesy will excuse themselves with their child. In a plane, no one can leave and the space is much, much smaller than, say, a cruise ship. Obviously, if there are serious circumstances to consider (like someone just died and you have to fly over), by all means, take the child, but taking along children that are especially like to scream on multiple flights or just for vacations is kind of a headache. Just do car trips in the meantime or something. I see not repeatedly flying with an unruly kid until they're out of diapers is one of the costs of having a kid, sort of like how tax breaks work in the adult's favor on the opposite end.
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Post by xCompackx on Feb 18, 2013 13:30:53 GMT -5
So drugging and muzzling children is okay now if people can't handle crying?
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Feb 18, 2013 13:57:50 GMT -5
So drugging and muzzling children is okay now if people can't handle crying? To sociopaths it is.
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Post by jagilki on Feb 18, 2013 16:09:44 GMT -5
Salsa, my post wasn't directed at anybody in the thread. It was just for a laugh.
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Post by King Ghidorah on Feb 18, 2013 18:13:03 GMT -5
So drugging and muzzling children is okay now if people can't handle crying? Doesn't matter what they have to do to keep it quiet, but paying hundreds of dollars to listen to a crying baby for hours, sucks. No one else's baby/child should be a burden to me or to any of the other passengers
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Post by Throwback on Feb 18, 2013 20:39:12 GMT -5
Some commenters on the source page make the theory that whites are the only race that ever act upon their potential racist anger, while blacks and other minorities would never even think about trying something like this while yelling slurs at a 2-year-old infant no matter how racist they are. Hard to argue against that considering I can't recall the last time any minorities have assaulted a caucasian based purely on racist hate. Now outside of North America is a TOTALLY different story (but again, in that case the whites would be the minorities so... yeah there might be some traction with this theory here.) Not to go to far off topic. But I've been attacked multiple times just for being white. As have many of my friends who grew up in our area. To think racism is a one way street is just absurd.
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Post by Drillbit Taylor on Feb 18, 2013 20:57:13 GMT -5
It's a known fact, all parents should be locked in their house never to leave until their baby is at least 11 years old. Just to cover my own ass as someone on the other side, I never said this. I'm saying that planes are an especially bad area to have crying children because you can't f***ing leave. If it's a restaurant or theater or similar venue, a parent with any courtesy will excuse themselves with their child. In a plane, no one can leave and the space is much, much smaller than, say, a cruise ship. Obviously, if there are serious circumstances to consider (like someone just died and you have to fly over), by all means, take the child, but taking along children that are especially like to scream on multiple flights or just for vacations is kind of a headache. Just do car trips in the meantime or something. I see not repeatedly flying with an unruly kid until they're out of diapers is one of the costs of having a kid, sort of like how tax breaks work in the adult's favor on the opposite end. So just car rides. So say you live in... OKC. And you have a week that you can take off for vacation, plus the two weekends, so 9 days in total. And you really want to take your family to Disney, as that is a great place for the whole family. But flying is not good they need to drive. Driving to either park is 19 hours(Land/World), and that does not include stops, that's 19+ hours of driving. That is two days at a minimum including stops. So you leave Sat Morning, with two hard days you get to a Disney resort late Sunday. A more relaxed pace that is better for small children and taking into account traffic in LA or other major cities, Monday Morning, or later Sunday. Coming back will need to do that again, so two days, you leave sometime Friday. But with hard driving a day of decompression would be nice too. So leave early Friday/Late Thurday night. So instead of getting the most out of vacation and fun in Central Florida or even SO-Cal they are limited to less time. And more money spent on hotels and gas those days traveling then it would have cost just to fly. \ Driving everywhere is not always the best option. And it certainly is not always the most economical. Yes screaming kids can be bad, but a family should not be limited to what they can do within driving distance.
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Post by Throwback on Feb 18, 2013 21:05:26 GMT -5
^ Don't bother arguing. He's just gonna say a baby in diapers shouldn't be in Disney.
I just tell my parents they're gonna have to wait to meet their grandchild unless someone dies because that's the only time a baby should be on an airplane. But wait, my parents can fly to me. There's no point in arguing.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Feb 18, 2013 21:07:39 GMT -5
I don't know. A good rule of thumb is, if your logic is similar to that of a cartoonish super villain, maybe it's not the best logic.
"We must put muzzles on those awful children. Mwahahahaha! And if we can't do that, we'll force parents of young children to drive everywhere!'
MEANWHILE, AT THE LEGION OF DOOM!
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Post by Red Impact on Feb 18, 2013 21:22:15 GMT -5
Geez, talk about taking the heel's point of view, good lord. I've travelled on many a planes, and I've heard a s*** ton of babies crying. With me, I always bring earplugs on the plane, for sleeping and for instances of travel. My most recent plane rides were going to and from Japan, a 13 and 12 hour flight respectively. Lots of crying babies at some point. In regards to a 2 year old crying for instance, the whole ear popping thing at times can be pretty painful. One time, I had pain in my ear from a flight for a couple of days. Yawning helps me, so if I'm in the direction of a crying baby or young kid, I'll start yawning in their direction, hoping to get the whole deal going where if you yawn in front of someone, they'll yawn. Basically, it was said best on an episode of Family Guy. The guys were in a carrier plane which some reason had a crying baby and a mother on it, which Peter complained about. The mother then said, "yes, it's a baby. Babies cry. And that's my response to you here. Babies cry. Or someone invent a muzzle thing similar to a pacifier that does not constrict breathing but nullifies the noise. I'm not entirely sure that that's physically possible. Muzzles aren't designed to stop noise, but biting. Biting isn't the problem, and as long as babies can breath, babies can cry. The only solution would be a gas mask or something of that size, and considering the other solution is earplugs, that's pretty damn silly.
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Post by Ash Kingston on Feb 18, 2013 21:51:38 GMT -5
Look, like salsashark said, earplugs and headphones don't always work; hell, I've had most of the world drowned out with my music, and still had my cat pierce through it to get my attention, and cat cries function a lot like the cries of an infant (thanks, some Cracked article!).
I'm not saying that parents can't travel anywhere with their kids, but at the same time, acting like people have no right to be annoyed by the howling baby that's been crying its butt off and thwarting every attempt to ignore it (or worse, the parents may not be doing anything to try and stop it) is equally ridiculous, IMO.
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Post by Piccolo on Feb 18, 2013 22:12:54 GMT -5
Look, like salsashark said, earplugs and headphones don't always work; hell, I've had most of the world drowned out with my music, and still had my cat pierce through it to get my attention, and cat cries function a lot like the cries of an infant (thanks, some Cracked article!). I'm not saying that parents can't travel anywhere with their kids, but at the same time, acting like people have no right to be annoyed by the howling baby that's been crying its butt off and thwarting every attempt to ignore it (or worse, the parents may not be doing anything to try and stop it) is equally ridiculous, IMO. Who's doing that?
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Post by salsashark on Feb 18, 2013 22:17:26 GMT -5
Just to cover my own ass as someone on the other side, I never said this. I'm saying that planes are an especially bad area to have crying children because you can't f***ing leave. If it's a restaurant or theater or similar venue, a parent with any courtesy will excuse themselves with their child. In a plane, no one can leave and the space is much, much smaller than, say, a cruise ship. Obviously, if there are serious circumstances to consider (like someone just died and you have to fly over), by all means, take the child, but taking along children that are especially like to scream on multiple flights or just for vacations is kind of a headache. Just do car trips in the meantime or something. I see not repeatedly flying with an unruly kid until they're out of diapers is one of the costs of having a kid, sort of like how tax breaks work in the adult's favor on the opposite end. So just car rides. So say you live in... OKC. And you have a week that you can take off for vacation, plus the two weekends, so 9 days in total. And you really want to take your family to Disney, as that is a great place for the whole family. But flying is not good they need to drive. Driving to either park is 19 hours(Land/World), and that does not include stops, that's 19+ hours of driving. That is two days at a minimum including stops. So you leave Sat Morning, with two hard days you get to a Disney resort late Sunday. A more relaxed pace that is better for small children and taking into account traffic in LA or other major cities, Monday Morning, or later Sunday. Coming back will need to do that again, so two days, you leave sometime Friday. But with hard driving a day of decompression would be nice too. So leave early Friday/Late Thurday night. So instead of getting the most out of vacation and fun in Central Florida or even SO-Cal they are limited to less time. And more money spent on hotels and gas those days traveling then it would have cost just to fly. \ Driving everywhere is not always the best option. And it certainly is not always the most economical. Yes screaming kids can be bad, but a family should not be limited to what they can do within driving distance. Save your trip to Disney World for when they are a bit older then. I'm guessing most two-year-olds won't be as chaotic as infants. Problem solved. I know it sounds totally unreasonable and uncaring, but I find the idea of people bringing along unruly babies on planes ( especially for long trips) to be pretty unreasonable and uncaring (at least to other passengers), too. ^ Don't bother arguing. He's just gonna say a baby in diapers shouldn't be in Disney. Thanks so much for speaking for me!!!! Great work!!! I don't care about babies going to Disney Land/World, I am just talking about the flights here. Also, no one has referenced the nice little candy pack those parents gave out -- the pic I posted earlier. If people did gestures like that all the time on planes, I would pay much, much less mind to their screaming babies. Little gestures go a long way when you are inconveniencing others.
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Post by salsashark on Feb 18, 2013 22:19:56 GMT -5
I don't know. A good rule of thumb is, if your logic is similar to that of a cartoonish super villain, maybe it's not the best logic. "We must put muzzles on those awful children. Mwahahahaha! And if we can't do that, we'll force parents of young children to drive everywhere!' MEANWHILE, AT THE LEGION OF DOOM! This post is endorsed by Solomon Grundy.
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Post by salsashark on Feb 18, 2013 22:22:14 GMT -5
Lastly, speaking from personal experience, you don't know Hell unless you are on a 10-hour-ish flight from London to Dubai with screaming, whining babies everywhere and headphones that do nothing to kill the sound.
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Post by Ash Kingston on Feb 18, 2013 22:31:44 GMT -5
Look, like salsashark said, earplugs and headphones don't always work; hell, I've had most of the world drowned out with my music, and still had my cat pierce through it to get my attention, and cat cries function a lot like the cries of an infant (thanks, some Cracked article!). I'm not saying that parents can't travel anywhere with their kids, but at the same time, acting like people have no right to be annoyed by the howling baby that's been crying its butt off and thwarting every attempt to ignore it (or worse, the parents may not be doing anything to try and stop it) is equally ridiculous, IMO. Who's doing that? I may, admittedly, be taking some posts wrong (not the posts from people who are disagreeing with Cela, mind), but it's a feeling I've been getting while reading this topic.
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Post by xCompackx on Feb 18, 2013 23:41:36 GMT -5
So drugging and muzzling children is okay now if people can't handle crying? Doesn't matter what they have to do to keep it quiet, but paying hundreds of dollars to listen to a crying baby for hours, sucks. No one else's baby/child should be a burden to me or to any of the other passengers I can understand wanting quiet when you pay for a flight, but it's not like babies are out to annoy people. It's one thing if a child was kicking your seat, but I think trying to force a baby to not cry when it doesn't know any better is more than a little cold.
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Post by Drillbit Taylor on Feb 19, 2013 1:35:27 GMT -5
So just car rides. So say you live in... OKC. And you have a week that you can take off for vacation, plus the two weekends, so 9 days in total. And you really want to take your family to Disney, as that is a great place for the whole family. But flying is not good they need to drive. Driving to either park is 19 hours(Land/World), and that does not include stops, that's 19+ hours of driving. That is two days at a minimum including stops. So you leave Sat Morning, with two hard days you get to a Disney resort late Sunday. A more relaxed pace that is better for small children and taking into account traffic in LA or other major cities, Monday Morning, or later Sunday. Coming back will need to do that again, so two days, you leave sometime Friday. But with hard driving a day of decompression would be nice too. So leave early Friday/Late Thurday night. So instead of getting the most out of vacation and fun in Central Florida or even SO-Cal they are limited to less time. And more money spent on hotels and gas those days traveling then it would have cost just to fly. \ Driving everywhere is not always the best option. And it certainly is not always the most economical. Yes screaming kids can be bad, but a family should not be limited to what they can do within driving distance. Save your trip to Disney World for when they are a bit older then. I'm guessing most two-year-olds won't be as chaotic as infants. Problem solved. I know it sounds totally unreasonable and uncaring, but I find the idea of people bringing along unruly babies on planes ( especially for long trips) to be pretty unreasonable and uncaring (at least to other passengers), too. ^ Don't bother arguing. He's just gonna say a baby in diapers shouldn't be in Disney. Thanks so much for speaking for me!!!! Great work!!! I don't care about babies going to Disney Land/World, I am just talking about the flights here. Also, no one has referenced the nice little candy pack those parents gave out -- the pic I posted earlier. If people did gestures like that all the time on planes, I would pay much, much less mind to their screaming babies. Little gestures go a long way when you are inconveniencing others. So using a standard 757 like Southwest seats 138 or so people. So if you have kids you should include stuff for at around 130 people, you know to be on the safe side?
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Post by 67 more on Feb 19, 2013 4:56:07 GMT -5
Doesn't matter what they have to do to keep it quiet, but paying hundreds of dollars to listen to a crying baby for hours, sucks. No one else's baby/child should be a burden to me or to any of the other passengers I can understand wanting quiet when you pay for a flight, but it's not like babies are out to annoy people. It's one thing if a child was kicking your seat, but I think trying to force a baby to not cry when it doesn't know any better is more than a little cold. And I can totally understand a baby crying when it's ears are popping. I hate flying and get quite bothered myself when my ears start popping so for a baby who doesn't know what the f*** it is it's not hard to imagine it being scary for them.
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Post by Throwback on Feb 19, 2013 5:40:48 GMT -5
^ Don't bother arguing. He's just gonna say a baby in diapers shouldn't be in Disney. Thanks so much for speaking for me!!!! Great work!!! Save your trip to Disney World for when they are a bit older then. Was I wrong? You did say it. I'm just saying opinions can't be changed and there's no point in arguing because on a situation like this. There's always a counter argument.
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