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Post by Jam on Feb 23, 2013 11:03:07 GMT -5
Some of it was awesome, some not so much. That ending? Captain America just stops fighting and gives up. Gets arrested and then shot? WTF? Surely that could have been written and explained better. Him and Iron Man are beating the piss out of each other and all of sudden he just stops. Weak. I can now see why people weren't so fond of this story arc. There were some great parts though. My favorite being the 4 issue X-Men Civil War and Wolverine hunting down Nitro.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2013 11:14:38 GMT -5
Surely that could have been written and explained better. The whole event was originally a storyarc-level thing that was exploded into a major crossover event. And very politically driven. It managed to ruin Marvel for me for a few years. It's better now, but I find the moments where they screw around with the readers to be even more annoying than past pre-CW attempts. |
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Post by Jiren on Feb 23, 2013 11:16:35 GMT -5
Mark Millar..........That is all
Also it was too Black & White
- Iron Man & Co = Dicks
- Cap & Co = awesome
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Feb 23, 2013 11:19:32 GMT -5
it didn't help that every writer had a different opinion of the story and decided to demonize the other side and nobody tried keeping anything straight. so you had the pro-reg guys looking very reasonable in some books and looking like caricatures of nazis in other ones.
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Post by Jiren on Feb 23, 2013 11:23:37 GMT -5
Should have taken notes from Alan Moore's "V for Vendetta" (NOT the movie)
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Feb 23, 2013 11:37:48 GMT -5
the weirdest thing was Millar's apparently of the belief that the pro-reg side were the good guys. the same pro-reg side that enforced an act BEFORE it became a law, the same pro-reg side that cloned Thor and forgot to tell it not to kill anyone, the same pro-reg side that locked its buddies in an extra-dimensional prison without trial and decided "let's put Norman Osbourne in charge of a gang of state-sponsored murderers without any real oversight at all".
Mark Millar can't even bother to keep his own politics consistent. he insists in Civil War that superheroes should always answer to someone else (without explaining how or who) and yet he derailed the Authority from a bunch of bad guys who fight worse people into "wouldn't it be great if there was a team of sociopathic 'heroes' out there who brutally murdered every political figure I personally have something against and were answerable to no-one?".
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Post by Jiren on Feb 23, 2013 12:00:46 GMT -5
the weirdest thing was Millar's apparently of the belief that the pro-reg side were the good guys. the same pro-reg side that enforced an act BEFORE it became a law, the same pro-reg side that cloned Thor and forgot to tell it not to kill anyone, the same pro-reg side that locked its buddies in an extra-dimensional prison without trial and decided "let's put Norman Osbourne in charge of a gang of state-sponsored murderers without any real oversight at all". And before that Baron Zemo (Not trying to correct or be a douche, just adding to the stupidity) Mark Millar can't even bother to keep his own politics consistent. he insists in Civil War that superheroes should always answer to someone else (without explaining how or who) and yet he derailed the Authority from a bunch of bad guys who fight worse people into "wouldn't it be great if there was a team of sociopathic 'heroes' out there who brutally murdered every political figure I personally have something against and were answerable to no-one?". Funny thing is I agreed with both sides Pro- Supers SHOULD be held accountble if they cock up - Supers in different states isn't a bad idea, If done right - Training the young supers so they get ahold of their powers and not be reckless Anti- Not all families are super powered, I loved when Reed Richards said "It's great idea" and Spider-Man (I think) said "Yeah becuse your ENTIRE family has powers". What's to stop Dr Doom or someone else getting ahold of the registration list and targeting the families of the super heroes. - Invasion Of Privacy It's a good concept but poorly written (Again it's Mark Millar), In the hands of a better writer this could have been SO much better |
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Feb 23, 2013 12:04:39 GMT -5
the weirdest thing was Millar's apparently of the belief that the pro-reg side were the good guys. the same pro-reg side that enforced an act BEFORE it became a law, the same pro-reg side that cloned Thor and forgot to tell it not to kill anyone, the same pro-reg side that locked its buddies in an extra-dimensional prison without trial and decided "let's put Norman Osbourne in charge of a gang of state-sponsored murderers without any real oversight at all". And before that Baron Zemo (Not trying to correct or be a douche, just adding to the stupidity) Mark Millar can't even bother to keep his own politics consistent. he insists in Civil War that superheroes should always answer to someone else (without explaining how or who) and yet he derailed the Authority from a bunch of bad guys who fight worse people into "wouldn't it be great if there was a team of sociopathic 'heroes' out there who brutally murdered every political figure I personally have something against and were answerable to no-one?". Funny thing is I agreed with both sides Pro- Supers SHOULD be held accountble if they cock up - Supers in different states isn't a bad idea, If done right - Training the young supers so they get ahold of their powers and not be reckless Anti- Not all families are super powered, I loved when Reed Richards said "It's great idea" and Spider-Man (I think) said "Yeah becuse your ENTIRE family has powers". What's to stop Dr Doom or someone else getting ahold of the registration list and targeting the families of the super heroes. - Invasion Of Privacy It's a good concept but poorly written (Again it's Mark Millar), In the hands of a better writer this could have been SO much better to be fair, Zemo being in charge was Fabian Nicieza, and it was actually more complicated than that. plus Zemo, for all his bad qualities, isn't a serial killing nutbag. the main thing I was annoyed about with Civil War was that it seems like a dumb idea to antagonize a bunch of people who, if they weren't upstanding friendly folks, could probably flatten your entire military in a week or so. it's one of those things I know I should probably just overlook, but it just seems to beg too many questions when you have government sticking its noses in superhero affairs. because realistically, how the hell are you ever going to get someone like, say, Thor on your side? (conveniently he was dead at the time). |
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Post by Jiren on Feb 23, 2013 12:06:52 GMT -5
And before that Baron Zemo (Not trying to correct or be a douche, just adding to the stupidity) Funny thing is I agreed with both sides Pro- Supers SHOULD be held accountble if they cock up - Supers in different states isn't a bad idea, If done right - Training the young supers so they get ahold of their powers and not be reckless Anti- Not all families are super powered, I loved when Reed Richards said "It's great idea" and Spider-Man (I think) said "Yeah becuse your ENTIRE family has powers". What's to stop Dr Doom or someone else getting ahold of the registration list and targeting the families of the super heroes. - Invasion Of Privacy It's a good concept but poorly written (Again it's Mark Millar), In the hands of a better writer this could have been SO much better to be fair, Zemo being in charge was Fabian Nicieza, and it was actually more complicated than that. plus Zemo, for all his bad qualities, isn't a serial killing nutbag. Oh, I just know him as a Villain My bad |
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Post by Jam on Feb 23, 2013 12:09:48 GMT -5
I also liked the interaction between The Punisher and the Anti-Reg heroes. The way Cap snapped after Punisher killed the two villains trying to hook up with Caps team was awesome.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Feb 23, 2013 12:12:17 GMT -5
to be fair, Zemo being in charge was Fabian Nicieza, and it was actually more complicated than that. plus Zemo, for all his bad qualities, isn't a serial killing nutbag. Oh, I just know him as a Villain My bad in that case, friend, I STRONGLY recommend you check out Fabian Nicieza's run on Thunderbolts (I'm not sure if the trades are still available though). Zemo basically became one of the best anti-villains in comics. he was still a jerk who wanted to take over the world, but he really DID have everyone else's best interests (thine The Brain from Pinky and the Brain if not played for laughs). plus he did it in style. he was really good at making people who by all rights should hate him (the T-bolts in this case) work with him. plus when his plan involving the Purple Man went off the rails he sent that little creep to another dimension (they never really did explain how he got back BTW). |
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Post by 'Foretold' Joker on Feb 23, 2013 12:23:34 GMT -5
I also liked the interaction between The Punisher and the Anti-Reg heroes. The way Cap snapped after Punisher killed the two villains trying to hook up with Caps team was awesome. Poor Goldbug & Plunderer ... wait who? |
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Feb 23, 2013 12:25:19 GMT -5
Civil War is when I finally tapped out on Marvel.
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Feb 23, 2013 12:25:53 GMT -5
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Post by Jiren on Feb 23, 2013 12:27:55 GMT -5
Oh, I just know him as a Villain My bad in that case, friend, I STRONGLY recommend you check out Fabian Nicieza's run on Thunderbolts (I'm not sure if the trades are still available though). Zemo basically became one of the best anti-villains in comics. he was still a jerk who wanted to take over the world, but he really DID have everyone else's best interests (thine The Brain from Pinky and the Brain if not played for laughs). plus he did it in style. he was really good at making people who by all rights should hate him (the T-bolts in this case) work with him. plus when his plan involving the Purple Man went off the rails he sent that little creep to another dimension (they never really did explain how he got back BTW). I've read from "Faith in Monsters" up to Dark Reign I've also read two with Zemo, The Civil War tie in & the one when Zemo "Dies" (This was AGES ago BTW) I've read his Captain America return (No Escape) nd liked it as he did some douchy things but he had a point at the end of the day. I really need to hunt down some more Zemo stuff, It seems I know Jack about him |
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Feb 23, 2013 13:59:43 GMT -5
Civil War was a pretentious mess of mischaracterization and Marvel has such a hard-on for it. I believe (okay, hope) years from now future generations of comics fans will look back and realize that Civil War didn't deserve its reputation, especially when taken in context.
Maybe they'll also realize that the real event from Marvel that year, i.e. the one that delivered and was actually a good story, was Annihilation.
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Post by Talent Name on Feb 23, 2013 14:07:01 GMT -5
Some moments for me were just plain annoying and pointless, like the way they ended. It did have its moments but it wasn't very constant, to me its the third worst storyline behind One More Day and Fear Itself
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Post by Cela on Feb 23, 2013 14:48:09 GMT -5
But, there was that one mom that kept yelling at Iron Man. She made it ok to clone a Norse God into a death machine.
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Post by Dean-o on Feb 23, 2013 15:42:03 GMT -5
I just thought it was cool that Stamford, CT blew up.
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Post by crowwreak was WRONG on Feb 23, 2013 15:46:31 GMT -5
Led directly into One More Day, so dumb.
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