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Post by TOO SWEET on Mar 7, 2013 22:23:07 GMT -5
If you're talking about a subforum for info, we already do have one of those: wcefeds.proboards.com/But the thing you have to realize about creating a subforum on here for just e-feds BRB, is that there is going to be a lot less traffic for them then just the forum games. I know the leap from being in the WWE section to the Forum Games ending up really hurting membership, and I think one from Forum Games to its own subforum could have the same problem. That's just my thoughts, though.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Mar 7, 2013 22:24:07 GMT -5
Well in EWT pretty much any character was fair game. We had all kinds of crazy characters from a psychotic furry to a monster face obsessed with various sealife who even had his own personal aquarium to an English Guy named Limey to a stable consisting of a D-list Movie Star, a tenor who sung everything he said, and a soap opera starlet, and their manager, a slightly effiminate, Jewish director. And of course many other colorful characters. So pretty much anything is fair game.
As for the sprites those were courtesy of a guy named Ratings, who still posts around here, I believe.
The one thing about EWT is that every week each writer was responsible for writing squash matches against real world wrestlers. The show would usually last a week or so and people could also post promos or other various segments with their characters between all of that. So in a sense it was more demanding, but also more laid back in that there was no strict schedule aside for pay per views.
Pay Per Views were at one point written by one person, Toomiguici, but then over the years writers started collaborating on matches they were booked for.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Mar 7, 2013 22:45:54 GMT -5
If you're talking about a subforum for info, we already do have one of those: wcefeds.proboards.com/But the thing you have to realize about creating a subforum on here for just e-feds BRB, is that there is going to be a lot less traffic for them then just the forum games. I know the leap from being in the WWE section to the Forum Games ending up really hurting membership, and I think one from Forum Games to its own subforum could have the same problem. That's just my thoughts, though. Ah yes, I made the same observation at least a year ago and I agree that the separation from Off Topic harmed e-fed membership as a whole. I only need read old WWCF threads to see that. In fact... What if - WHAT IF - the two were remerged? I understand that the Forum Games section cleaned up Off Topic and it's sheer volume justifies the split, but dammit an e-fed is just so much more fun with a bunch of members. Eh, self-interest in the end. Still, if remerged, would it be right to make the main e-fed threads Sticky and/or without post limits? Same for Mafia. The majority of Forum Games are easily Name a Flaw and, if I see correctly, Best _____ Ever Tourneys, which could benefit from lifted post restrictions themselves. In other words, how many unique threads actually emerge in the Forum Games? How much space does it save and organize? On the other hand, was EWT not immensely popular while a sub-forum? Why did it work then?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2013 23:14:43 GMT -5
Regarding the idea of a merger, BRB: The feds have succeeded on their own as long as they have because they cater to different types of e-fedders. But if you combine them, it might be interesting for a little while. But after a few months, the novelty would wear off, people will get sick of it, and then where are we? WWE:FAN and TNA:FAN work because they caters to fans of the big two. FAWA works because it caters to the folks who like to make up their own characters and gimmicks. If you mingle the two ideas, though, you risk alienating the people who prefer one over the other. So I'm going to oppose the idea of merging. Now, moving on to the sub-forum idea and the idea of separate threads: I have toyed with the idea of creating a show thread for here and a show archive thread for the FAN Feds sub-forum Spartan linked. Because our threads fill up quick. Look at the number, we're on 208 right now(actually 209, but that's another story). I would love to have one thread just for shows and one where we can just post. But my fear is the casual talk thread would become 30 pages of nonsense(I love you guys, but look at some of our threads ) And one thing that scared some people away was how quickly we could burn through threads. Breaking things up might not be the worst idea, but I don't want to clutter the site or have one thread get buried. That's why I wanted the WWE:FAN thread stickied(preferably after we start a new thread), because then I could link to a second or third thread without worry of the thread being lost or of the threads taking up space on the front page. Plus, having the main threads stickied might attract newcomers. Another point to touch on, saying that the forum games section hurt membership. I don't know what it did for FAWA, but WWE:FAN typically has about 23 people, which is ideal. And we get new members fairly often. I know a few people who actually joined the forums specifically to be part of WWE:FAN. Plus, when we were in WWE Current, you'd be shocked by how many people posted in our threads by accident, especially when we used to post the next show in the title. And none of them ever stayed. So I think the move was overall a good one.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Mar 7, 2013 23:39:41 GMT -5
It sounds like Sticky is the way to go. Sticky and central discussion threads with no post limits. If we may be so allowed.
That said, I believe in inter-forum promotion as well. What if WWE: FAN Edition had the main discussion thread in the WWE section, TNA: FAN Edition in the TNA section, and FAWA in the w(Rest) of Wrestling? The threads would be identical between the related and the Forum Games sections, with links to the Forum Games stuff.
I will admit that while this could be peachy for us e-fedders, it may be undue special treatment as far as non-e-fedders go.poof
To bring this to the greater topic, what if this poll was reposted in every subforum? There might be plenty of interest in EWT or other e-feds from members who otherwise never visit the Forum Games.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Mar 7, 2013 23:50:10 GMT -5
Oh, and as for FAWA membership, it waxes and wanes between a dozen or two members. Usually new members join and drop off in waves. Very encouraging one moment, very discouraging the next. It's on an upward trend right now at least with 20 members of varying activity levels. This is compared to when there were easily 30 or so in the days it was in the Off-Topic section. However, some of these drop offs might be the result of certain policies and/or inconsistencies. Right now we're stable and consistent - the trains run on time. It might be an important correlation.
Besides that, I will admit that I have set up FAWA as reworking a certain greater level of commitment than WWE: FAN Edition, mainly in the match writing, though I have a new policy that greatly lightens the weekly load.
Now I'm thinking of the possibility of a "So You Want To Join An E-Fed?" Thread, where the heads of each e-fed both pitch and explain their e-feds for the prospective new member. Now that could be productive for all of us.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2013 0:05:01 GMT -5
Well, here's something to think about. When there were 30 members, how many of them were active on a regular basis. Not all thirty, I can tell you that for certain. At best, I was getting votes back from around 17-19 people weekly.
And when WWE:FAN started, we had over 30 members. But our core active group was around 10 people, if that. 23 seems to be our max figure of membership these days, which suits us fine. Because there's usually around 18-20 who participate regularly and 3-5 who start off strong, then fade away on us. But we almost always end up adding to our core group. To think that a year ago, Waffel, Natural, CH, Suave, and FJ weren't part of the fed, now I can't picture the place without them.
That's what matters most to me. Not the numbers themselves, but who and what we're truly adding.
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Post by Triple H buried SnS on Mar 8, 2013 0:12:57 GMT -5
Proboards still cant do sub-subforums... right?
could work as a sub forum in forum games. maybe collect all efeds under the same umbrella.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Mar 8, 2013 0:19:04 GMT -5
Well, here's something to think about. When there were 30 members, how many of them were active on a regular basis. Not all thirty, I can tell you that for certain. At best, I was getting votes back from around 17-19 people weekly. And when WWE:FAN started, we had over 30 members. But our core active group was around 10 people, if that. 23 seems to be our max figure of membership these days, which suits us fine. Because there's usually around 18-20 who participate regularly and 3-5 who start off strong, then fade away on us. But we almost always end up adding to our core group. To think that a year ago, Waffel, Natural, CH, Suave, and FJ weren't part of the fed, now I can't picture the place without them. That's what matters most to me. Not the numbers themselves, but who and what we're truly adding. Fair enough. You'd have a better perspective of the earlier days of WWCF than I would.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Mar 8, 2013 4:42:33 GMT -5
Mysth & Ivy are always ready to strap the boots back on. EWT may well have been my most satisfying experience in these forums as my characters became way more popular than I could ever hope. If it's becoming overkill with the other feds, I suggest making it on a separate forum. EWT had a match card each week like this: Maelstrom vs Hulk Hogan Joe Ragnal vs Bobby Lashley Nyrds vs Demolition Oh yeah, if we do bring back the EWT, could we please not do the "matches against real wrestlers" thing? That was the one thing I didn't like about it and from the discussions back in the days, it seemed to frustrate a lot of people as not only is it not nearly as much fun as wrestling other roster members (which also tended to motivate people to start writing storylines with each other), but it made the regular shows unbearably long, especially at the fed's peak when we had a solid 40 active wrestlers & teams as every single member had to write and post a match, and some of them had several characters/teams too. Heck at some point, some people grew so annoyed that their EWT vs Real Life matches basically became fingerpokes of doom, and I can't say I blame them. Also, since some people stated they'd like to join but are unsure how much time they could devote to it, I suggest doing what some feds do by not having everyone on the card every week, unless they request it, of course. That way, people who can't post very often can take their time.
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Mar 8, 2013 5:22:16 GMT -5
I'm against merging Forum Games into any other part of the board for reasons already mentioned. I'm also against making separate "discussion" threads for stuff like the WWE and TNA feds as I feel it's simpler to keep things in one thread like it is now.
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Post by 'Foretold' Joker on Mar 8, 2013 6:35:43 GMT -5
I'm at work now so can't answer a lot, but there's no chance of any merging of forum games with other parts of the board. Not going to happen.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Mar 8, 2013 7:01:02 GMT -5
BTW, Candlejack, you might want to link to this thread in your sig so EWT alumnus who don't frequent the forum games section can see it.
Hey, I just realized I said "Candlejack" and nothing ha
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2013 9:05:36 GMT -5
I'm against merging Forum Games into any other part of the board for reasons already mentioned. I'm also against making separate "discussion" threads for stuff like the WWE and TNA feds as I feel it's simpler to keep things in one thread like it is now.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Mar 8, 2013 12:16:02 GMT -5
If EWT was revived, who would run it?
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Mar 8, 2013 12:22:48 GMT -5
If EWT was revived, who would run it? Stephanie McMahon, of course!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2013 12:24:05 GMT -5
Regarding BRB's E-Fed unification idea: Why not have inter promotional matches on occasion?
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Mar 8, 2013 13:27:45 GMT -5
Regarding BRB's E-Fed unification idea: Why not have inter promotional matches on occasion? I suggested that in FAWA once as a crossover between WWE:FAN and FAWA. It was quickly rejected so I don't know if trying again will change things.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Mar 8, 2013 14:25:30 GMT -5
I think the idea of a one-off crossover wouldn't be the worst idea if executed correctly. The problem though would be mixing the two styles since FAWA and WWEFAN are quite different from one another.
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Post by 'Foretold' Joker on Mar 8, 2013 16:39:48 GMT -5
I'm going to try and cover each idea or question. Those awesome sprites were solely made by the poster Ratings, he is still around and possibly might rejoin EWT but yeah otherwise you would need to find a new spriter really. Unknown, I really don't know who is still around. There have been a few attempts at reviving EWT in another forum/format (W.I.G was one) how many are still on the FAN regularly I'm not sure. The million dollar question Let's see: What WorkedSeparate threads for "out of kayfabe" and "weekly matches/segments" & Bio section made things easier to find for posters. I also liked the EWT-online thread which was a a dirt sheet/website for EWT so posters could add more background to there characters in a light hearted manner, or reasons for characters not being around (Say if poster went on holiday) PPVs had there own separate threads and gimmicks. Posters respected each others characters for the most part and brought really good imaginitve stories together becuase they wrote the stories themselves and decided the outcomes for the most part. Announcers for writing matches were real announcers - I find this makes writing matches a lot easier. Having Jim Ross and Jesse Ventura seemed more natural to write & read than two fictional characters as not all posters would write them the same way. Harlot Hunt type events - These were non-wrestling segments that could run alongside storylines and get characters invovled some even created new characters for posters to use. Sum Guy - Best backstage interviewer ever. What didn't workNot enough communication on big arching stories that effected the whole of EWT towards the end. Match board was probably too time consuming for most (but at the same time it did keep people around/involved even if they had no feud/story) They did also become squash matches for a lot of posters. Keeping everyone involved could be tricky at times Far too many titles - I believe we had at one point a heavyweight title, tri-state title, womens title, tag team titles, a hardcore title and a stable title. I think this was way too many to keep involved and track of by all. Writing a match/segment was simple: I noticed in the FAWA fed there a loads of font size/colours being used and it honestly felt confusing and would take a lot of effort to keep track of when writing. In EWT: Dialogue began with the Talking character in Capitals, non wrestling actions were in asterix/brackets and wrestling was either left as is or in italics. e.g (Backstage in a hallway) *Curly Long is trying to talk Eve Torres into his hotel room* CURLY LONG: As the self proclaimed Midget King I am sure you Eve Torres would love to spend time with the me at the grand hotel de ... *He's tapped on the shoulder by Mike Ragnal* MIKE RAGNAL: Hey you VLB no bodyguard now huh? *Ragnal pins Curly Long up against the wall before hurling him into a crate, he smiles at Eve and walks off* It worked for a long time because it really was the only e-fed we had. Then the other e-fed style threads showed up in off-topic and competition for people's time impacted who came to EWT sub-forum. In a mini sort of way it was like the downfall of wcw, EWT lost to the faster paced e-feds of off-topic. As the other e-feds were easier to post in and didn't require quite so much effort writing wise but were still entertaining it probably impacted on new peeps entering EWT to replace posters who left, which ultimately led to it's slow decline. I'd probably change that to having either a theme per week or just point out that 20 real world wrestlers are around in EWT this week if you want to use them in matches or segments. Well I was kind of thinking I'd do that I did briefly run EWT for about 2 months while Toomi was busy and as a Mod I can sticky, remove or move threads etc ... which is useful. I could arguably do that for a current e-fed too if needed.
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