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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Mar 9, 2013 15:20:05 GMT -5
Lack of characters
Overall it seems like divas have three possible characters.
1 - Happy, bubbly face 2 - bitchy heel 3 - Manipulative slut
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Post by BigWill on Mar 9, 2013 15:21:29 GMT -5
You know, the whole idea of the WWE looking for the next "Trish Stratus" is so flawed, if that's indeed what they're trying to do. Trish Stratus wasn't as successful as she was because she was some model turned competent wrestler. She was successful because she had boatloads of charisma, more so than many of the male wrestlers. And you can just as likely find that charisma in a model as you can in an experienced wrestler.
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Post by Steveweiser on Mar 9, 2013 15:27:08 GMT -5
I hope that WWE are taking notice of how UFC are promoting Ronda Rousey as a big star... but I'm not expecting it. Who's going to be their Ronda?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2013 15:28:06 GMT -5
I believe the Divas don't get pushed for the same reason NFL cheerleaders would get laughed at by the NFL if they asked that the cheerleaders get more time and focus during NFL games and would probably get fired if they persisted.
The dozens of males in WWE and the 1,000+ NFL players are absolutely necessary to the organization. Without them, there's nothing. The cheerleaders/Divas aren't. WWE/NFL could do their entire broadcasts without the cheerleaders/Divas, and the broadcasts would be almost exactly the same as ever, making the two companies and the team owners not care if they're unhappy with being such small parts of the show. Since they're considered extra, the organizations are okay with just letting them walk rather than changing anything.
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Post by Dat Dude on Mar 9, 2013 15:40:59 GMT -5
I don't really mind the models over wrestlers thing. I think that the model thing is a by-product of the success of Trish Stratus. WWE just wants to create another Trish, a pretty face with sex appeal who can learn the ropes and become a passable to great in ring talent. I don't buy that at all because that's what Mickie and Melina both were. I don't think they're the best examples since both Mickie and Melina wrestled a few years before being signed with WWE. They may have did some short stints modeling on the side but it wasn't like it was their primary career like others. They had a tremendous advantage entering WWE over women like McCool, Maria, Maryse, Layla and Eve etc.
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Post by Long A, Short A on Mar 9, 2013 15:43:19 GMT -5
I voted other because I think all the aspect are equally bad and are also connected. I also voted other because I think one of the worst aspect of mainstream women's wrestling is that people treat nurtured beliefs like natural beliefs.
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Post by Dat Dude on Mar 9, 2013 15:48:09 GMT -5
I also voted other because I think one of the worst aspect of mainstream women's wrestling is that people treat nurtured beliefs like natural beliefs. Could you elaborate on this thought more? It's an interesting point.
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Post by g1megatronfan on Mar 9, 2013 18:20:01 GMT -5
No real storylines. It's all "you have title...me want title" with the Divas. Sadly, the last real storyline was Mickie Vs. Trish WAY back in 2005/2006.
I guess they figure fans don't care so why bother? When they should be thinking about giving the fans a reason to care about the divas.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Mar 9, 2013 18:32:50 GMT -5
They need gimmicks. Everyone on the roster does, really.
Revisionist history aside, the most successful women wrestler in WWF/E in the last quarter-century wasn't Trish Stratus, it was probably Chyna, who couldn't wrestle for shit but who was an extremely memorable character.
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Post by misconduct was wrong on Mar 9, 2013 18:39:59 GMT -5
Sadly this. If the divas of the past weren't allowed to show thongs and have so many more dirty( by today's standard anyway) segments, matches, and innuendos, would they have gotten anymore time or attention than today's divas do?
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Post by Chip on Mar 9, 2013 18:43:02 GMT -5
Other. For me, the saddest aspect of women's wrestling isn't so much what the WWE does rather what the fans do, even when the female perfomers are clearly trying their best to put on an enjoyable show the fans just don't care. Which I guess is the blame of the WWE for the most part, the female wrestling division was so bad for so long it's gonna take either something real special or a reboot after an extended break for people to react to it.
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Post by Sam Punk on Mar 9, 2013 19:52:20 GMT -5
They need gimmicks. Everyone on the roster does, really. Revisionist history aside, the most successful women wrestler in WWF/E in the last quarter-century wasn't Trish Stratus, it was probably Chyna, who couldn't wrestle for s*** but who was an extremely memorable character. Lita?
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Post by malys on Mar 9, 2013 20:03:39 GMT -5
I don't really mind the models over wrestlers thing. I think that the model thing is a by-product of the success of Trish Stratus. WWE just wants to create another Trish, a pretty face with sex appeal who can learn the ropes and become a passable to great in ring talent. Ideally there should be a mix of both. Women shouldn't be hired solely based on their looks, but they shouldn't be turned away because they're "too pretty" either.As an extension to this, they shouldn't be turned away if they're not "pretty" either. It seems like females in general have to be both "pretty" and talented, or at least just "pretty." Probably won't happen because I don't really expect better from people, but it would be nice.
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Post by hitch on Mar 9, 2013 20:10:09 GMT -5
The problem I have is that for the best part of 20 years it's either taken place in front of a crowd that's gone to sleep or one that's chanting 'We want puppies'. To pretend that this is some kind of electrifying genre of entertainment that's underused I think is overstating it a bit.
I'm not saying there's no room for women's wrestling but it's appeal has always been limited and always will be limited because it's not part of the core product. It's an addition to it. But there is a reason why Mickey James or Lita aren't spoken of with the likes of Ric Flair and Andre the Giant - and it isn't because everyone is a sexist.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Mar 9, 2013 20:12:42 GMT -5
Eve has left the building.
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Post by Unaffiliated on Mar 10, 2013 1:23:57 GMT -5
Sadly this. If the divas of the past weren't allowed to show thongs and have so many more dirty( by today's standard anyway) segments, matches, and innuendos, would they have gotten anymore time or attention than today's divas do? Agreed. And it's not just a wrestling thing, women are just always being objectified whether in sports, entertainment, etc.
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Post by jimmyjames on Mar 10, 2013 2:13:48 GMT -5
Before, this turns into a social discussion on the way women in wrestling are portrayed, it has to be the lack of matches and storyline. Look at the last Smackdown with Kaitlyn vs. Tamina, and the Layla drama. No buildup, very little background from commentary, and the jobber entrance for both, one of whom is the Divas champ. It's as if it was a last minute filler match, which sadly, it might have been. You have the best wrestler not wrestling a dancing around with this decades The Oddities, and the most popular Diva (AJ) doesn't wrestler and has pretty much become the WWE's slut.
TNA is maybe even worst, because they were so much better before. You have a man and women as the Knockouts tag team champs, only they haven't defended them in about a year. You went from major storylines involving the KO's and a couple of times main eventing Impact and having multiple matches per episodes to one match, sometimes, but not all the time, an episode..
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Post by misconduct was wrong on Mar 10, 2013 2:40:16 GMT -5
Before, this turns into a social discussion on the way women in wrestling are portrayed, it has to be the lack of matches and storyline. Look at the last Smackdown with Kaitlyn vs. Tamina, and the Layla drama. No buildup, very little background from commentary, and the jobber entrance for both, one of whom is the Divas champ. It's as if it was a last minute filler match, which sadly, it might have been. You have the best wrestler not wrestling a dancing around with this decades The Oddities, and the most popular Diva (AJ) doesn't wrestler and has pretty much become the WWE's slut. I think the quandry lies more into exploring why they aren't given more time. Were the divas of the attitude era successful because they were given time and stories? Or were they given time and stories because of the smut drawing interest?
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Post by Ricky Nightshade on Mar 10, 2013 3:40:04 GMT -5
The lack of time and storylines given to women on
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Mar 10, 2013 3:45:29 GMT -5
No real storylines. It's all "you have title...me want title" with the Divas. Sadly, the last real storyline was Mickie Vs. Trish WAY back in 2005/2006. I guess they figure fans don't care so why bother? When they should be thinking about giving the fans a reason to care about the divas. Another problem I see is that any Diva that DOES get a storyline ends up being taken out of the division and segregated from the rest of the women.
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