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Post by Orange on Mar 23, 2013 21:31:26 GMT -5
Produceman. You say that Yami is scum because pegasus confirmed him as such. However, Pegasus' role was the BAD cop, and he acknowledged that the role had misfires, such as the Hayden and ritt lynches. So, I don't think we should take Pegasus's word there too much - given that his role limited the way he could feel about people.
Before this, you said that I was scum and Yami was 100% town. So, why would you cast a vote for the 100% townie and not me, if you feel that I'm scum?
Again, I know that you said this was because of what pegasus said, but still, we should take into consideration the fact that his role was flawed.
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on Mar 23, 2013 21:41:23 GMT -5
"the Bad Cop" was flavor text, part of the description of the character. His role was Town Deputy, who takes over as Town Cop when the first Town Cop dies. That's Howe I can trust his judgment.
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on Mar 23, 2013 21:44:46 GMT -5
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Post by Orange on Mar 23, 2013 21:51:45 GMT -5
"the Bad Cop" was flavor text, part of the description of the character. His role was Town Deputy, who takes over as Town Cop when the first Town Cop dies. That's Howe I can trust his judgment. Hmm. Alright, fair enough. However, pegasus still had a lot of misfires and miscues. He was right a couple times, but his overall record was lacking. I'm not so quick to throw more trust behind him. I'll probably be back with my vote sometime later tonight. If the fate of the town is in my hands, I have to get it right. Hopefully we hear from Yami again before that.
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Post by MasonK565 on Mar 23, 2013 21:53:25 GMT -5
Mod's Note: When a player is revealed to a certain alignment after death, their alignment is 100% accurate. There is no red tape in those revelations. Continue.
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on Mar 23, 2013 21:54:06 GMT -5
"the Bad Cop" was flavor text, part of the description of the character. His role was Town Deputy, who takes over as Town Cop when the first Town Cop dies. That's Howe I can trust his judgment. Hmm. Alright, fair enough. However, pegasus still had a lot of misfires and miscues. He was right a couple times, but his overall record was lacking. I'm not so quick to throw more trust behind him. I'll probably be back with my vote sometime later tonight. If the fate of the town is in my hands, I have to get it right. Hopefully we hear from Yami again before that. Those were likely educated guesses on his part of people he didn't investigate yet
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Post by Orange on Mar 23, 2013 21:56:38 GMT -5
Maybe, but he did say that ritt and Hayden were absolutely Mafia, and that we should feel the same.
He was wrong there.
However, this really isn't about pegasus anymore, I'm just not rushing to throw MORE trust behind him. I did what was necessary, and most of the time, it failed. So now that he's gone, I'm not going to remain obligated to trust him.
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Post by Orange on Mar 23, 2013 21:59:31 GMT -5
Vote: YamiOrange, i was 100% right about BRB being scum. I'm 100% town. Pegasus vouched for both of us being town. We need to lynch Yami, who Pegasus, the backup cop, said was scum. This is the ONLY way for town to pull this off. Bye Yami, Town got this one in the bag. Past pegasus's word, do you have any other reason(s) on why you feel that Yami is absolutely the Godfather? This is kind of a big decision, and no matter who I vote for, I need to do it after both your guys' cases have been presented thoroughly.
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on Mar 23, 2013 22:09:25 GMT -5
Vote: YamiOrange, i was 100% right about BRB being scum. I'm 100% town. Pegasus vouched for both of us being town. We need to lynch Yami, who Pegasus, the backup cop, said was scum. This is the ONLY way for town to pull this off. Bye Yami, Town got this one in the bag. Past pegasus's word, do you have any other reason(s) on why you feel that Yami is absolutely the Godfather? This is kind of a big decision, and no matter who I vote for, I need to do it after both your guys' cases have been presented thoroughly. Honestly, the fact that you did not quickly lynch yami is what confirms you being town to me. I know i'm town. You proved your town identity to me. Simple process of elimination. Yami is our man
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Post by Orange on Mar 23, 2013 23:52:03 GMT -5
Past pegasus's word, do you have any other reason(s) on why you feel that Yami is absolutely the Godfather? This is kind of a big decision, and no matter who I vote for, I need to do it after both your guys' cases have been presented thoroughly. Honestly, the fact that you did not quickly lynch yami is what confirms you being town to me. I know i'm town. You proved your town identity to me. Simple process of elimination. Yami is our man I appreciate the vote of confidence, but I hope you understand why I do need a bit more than a vote of confidence for yourself as to why I should throw my vote Yami's way and not yours.
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on Mar 24, 2013 0:17:32 GMT -5
look at my gameplay and voting record. If you think I don't have town's best interests at heart this whole game, then lynch me. If you think that I've led the town astray and tried to keep mafia alive and townies lynched, then lynch me. If you have any doubts as to my allegiance to the town, lynch me. I'm just a vanilla townie that has used my knowledge and instincts to try and win this game for town. If you don't think Yami is our man and that I'm scum, lynch me. I respect your decision either way. I know asking for your trust is asking for a lot, but, if you feel that I'm telling the truth and do have town's best interest in mind, lynch Yami.
The choice is yours.
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Post by MasonK565 on Mar 24, 2013 0:29:38 GMT -5
look at my gameplay and voting record. If you think I don't have town's best interests at heart this whole game, then lynch me. If you think that I've led the town astray and tried to keep mafia alive and townies lynched, then lynch me. If you have any doubts as to my allegiance to the town, lynch me. I'm just a vanilla townie that has used my knowledge and instincts to try and win this game for town. If you don't think Yami is our man and that I'm scum, lynch me. I respect your decision either way. I know asking for your trust is asking for a lot, but, if you feel that I'm telling the truth and do have town's best interest in mind, lynch Yami. The choice is yours. As soon as I read this, I thought of this.
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Post by Yami Daimao on Mar 24, 2013 9:31:14 GMT -5
First, Pegasus did not "confirm" me as anything. He simply re-opened his suspicions against me by using past points both he and SNS used. There are right there if you look. Again, why he would re-visit old arguments after just saying I was Town is beyond me. Produceman states that the rest of the players are barking up the wrong tree, and to instead turn their suspicions towards BRB. Again, this later turned out to be a correct statement. Which was more than enough of a reason for Produce to off BRB, to prove his innocence as his chase for a lynch failed, and to divert the focus on me. Past pegasus's word, do you have any other reason(s) on why you feel that Yami is absolutely the Godfather? This is kind of a big decision, and no matter who I vote for, I need to do it after both your guys' cases have been presented thoroughly. Honestly, the fact that you did not quickly lynch yami is what confirms you being town to me. I know i'm town. You proved your town identity to me. Simple process of elimination. Yami is our man Yes, Orange not dropping the hammer on me does prove he's Town, but it doesn't prove your innocence. look at my gameplay and voting record. If you think I don't have town's best interests at heart this whole game, then lynch me. If you think that I've led the town astray and tried to keep mafia alive and townies lynched, then lynch me. If you have any doubts as to my allegiance to the town, lynch me. I'm just a vanilla townie that has used my knowledge and instincts to try and win this game for town. If you don't think Yami is our man and that I'm scum, lynch me. I respect your decision either way. I know asking for your trust is asking for a lot, but, if you feel that I'm telling the truth and do have town's best interest in mind, lynch Yami. The choice is yours. Once again, voting records mean almost nothing now as Zack Morris flipping Mafia single-handedly threw that out the window. I still do not understand why people continue to use this as a reason for their innocence. And once again, saying "I'm town, so trust me" also means absolutely nothing. No one is 100% proven town unless lynched, night killed, or via power role. It's a method I've always strongly disliked because it comes off as incredibly cheap. Also notice how he doesn't really give any straight answers as to why he's suspicious of me other than the no-so-reliable Pegasus's past suspicions, who in part used SNS's past fact-twisting arguments (strangely). This feels like DBZA mafia all over again. Saying "If you want to lynch me, then lynch me" is probably the oldest Mafia trick in the book. They act polite when any suspicions are laid on them as a mean to look like they'll sacrifice themselves for Town, and hope the Town will withdraw their suspicions. Produce played this exact tactic in DBZA after he (the Serial Killer) killed me (Town), got defensive, and played the polite Townie until even AFTER the hammer dropped. I normally do no like to bring up play styles from past games for my arguments, but when someone is using the same trick right in my face, I HAVE to bring it up. If any of the DBZA mafia threads are still searchable, I advise you to check them out if you don't believe me. Orange, you and I usually seem to always have the same ideas and thoughts on this game dating back to Day 1. And so you I'll find it shocking if you don't see the obvious ploy Produce is playing. Do not fall for his nice guy act.
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on Mar 24, 2013 12:57:12 GMT -5
Firstly, not only did pegasus make a strong case for you being scum, but I had suspected you previously. I had turned my suspicions elsewhere in the time following because i tried to use my vote to lynch scum, which I succeeded quite a bit.
Secondly, if i'm godfather, why would i kill BRB and risk him flipping town and bringing the heat on myself the next day phase?? I've pulled some bonehead moves I the past but I've learned from them.
Thirdly, yes it confirms Orange. I never said i was confirmed, hence why I asked Orange to trust me and acknowledged that asking that of him is asking a lot.
Fourth, Zack used his voting to try and establish himself as town. He never really pushed for scum to get lynched. I used my vote and my voice combined, which, i feel, validates my voting record.
Pegasus may have been wrong in the past, but i know he was right about you. You're putting up a hell if a fight to win; I'd expect nothing less.
You say this is like DBZ Mafia. my gameplay then is nothing like my gameplay now and has no bearing on whether i'm town or not because gameplay style changes.
Orange, i'm 100% sure Yami is the Godfather. Please, trust me. Don't let Yami fool you like he's filled everyone else the entire game. He's a damn good player. Lynch him and let's win this for town
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Post by Yami Daimao on Mar 24, 2013 14:57:23 GMT -5
Secondly, if i'm godfather, why would i kill BRB and risk him flipping town and bringing the heat on myself the next day phase?? I've pulled some bonehead moves I the past but I've learned from them. I believe no matter what BRB would have flipped (aside from Godfather, which you are), you still could have attempted and managed to turn the focus on me, as I was the last person BRB suspected before he voted for Pegasus. Fourth, Zack used his voting to try and establish himself as town. He never really pushed for scum to get lynched. I used my vote and my voice combined, which, i feel, validates my voting record. Aside from BRB, which I still think was a damn good lucky guess on your part (again, you gave no reasons for your suspicions), you didn't push for anyone. You gave as much of a voice and vote as Zack did, who ironically, did just as good of a job as you have with preventing from gaining any real heat aside from a couple of suspicions here and there. You're putting up a hell if a fight to win; I'd expect nothing less. Likewise. You say this is like DBZ Mafia. my gameplay then is nothing like my gameplay now and has no bearing on whether i'm town or not because gameplay style changes. Your gameplay for most of this game may not mirror your gameplay in DBZA (although there are some similarities), but it's this exact tactic that I explained before that does. I don't know whether Orange is willing to go for some treasure digging, or if he could even find the old threads, and so I'm not expecting him to take this here into consideration. But I personally know it because I was there, and all it takes if for Orange to check them out (again, if he can) himself to see it too. You may have him fooled, but not me.
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Post by Orange on Mar 24, 2013 18:54:16 GMT -5
After hearing from both of you once more, I believe I've made my decision. I want to read over the threads once more before I cast my vote, but I'm 99% sure that my mind has been made up.
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Post by Orange on Mar 24, 2013 19:56:36 GMT -5
Vote: Produceman
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Post by MasonK565 on Mar 24, 2013 21:44:17 GMT -5
The final vote has been cast. The FINAL write up will be posted soon. I will get the discussion ready too. It will be later....back at KU and I will be with my girlfriend until later!
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Post by MasonK565 on Mar 24, 2013 23:09:21 GMT -5
THUD. Nightwing closes the door as Red Hood walks over to Mister Zsasz, who is now sitting alone at the table in the interrogation room. Red Hood is quiet, and sits across the table of Zsasz. Nightwing walks over and leans against the wall. "Please....tell me what your intentions are now. It is down to three of us...in this WHOLE institution. How do you think you can hide now?"Zsasz looks over to Hood in disgust. "The same way how you hid throughout this event."Red Hood scoffs and leans back his chair, crossing his arms. "Please...Zsasz, how do you think we are supposed to expect someone like US put this all to creation?""Nightwing has steadily gone insane since the death of the bat. And you are....well, you. You have always had a beef with the bat family. A beef with Gotham. Do you honestly believe someone like me got Hugo Strange or Hush to work for me?""I find your accusations offensive. We have all gone through hell...I am not the only crazy one. Not a good thing to say knowing how we are in control of your fate.""Please, working with Talia can give you so many connections and abilities to have others at your very whim. I say, we finish you now. Who is behind this then Zsasz?"Hood leans forward and puts his gun on the table, pointing it towards Zsasz. "Talia?"Zsasz leaps forward, revealing that he holding a knife and stabs Hood's left hand. "AAAH!!"Red Hood picks up the gun with his right hand and shoots Zsasz in the leg while he is in mid-flight, jumping over the table and landing on Jason Todd. Red Hood drops his gun as he and Zsasz roll on the floor, hitting each other left and right. Zsasz is trying to stab Hood but Hood is resisting. "I KNEW IT WAS. NO ONE NOTICED. I DID. YOU WILL DIE."CLICKCLICK. "Both of you stop. NOW!"BAM! Nightwing fires his gun towards the ceiling. The two separate to other sides of the room. Hood is sitting against the wall, breathing heavily. Zsasz is on the other side of the room, on his knees, whimpering. Nightwing is in the middle. "Please, please kill him.""Do it, Dick. Brother or psychopath? Do it for me. Do it for Gotham.....do it for Bruce."Nightwing begins to walk towards Red Hood. He looks at his gun, doubting whether or not he should fire. He turns around, and fires his weapon...nailing Mister Zsasz in the head. His dead falls to the ground. Nightwing begins to cry. Red Hood stands and holds Dick Grayson. "Shhh, Dick, shhhh....you did well. Give me the gun, come on."Nightwing gives Red Hood the gun, and falls to ground on his knees, sobbing. "I did it. I killed him. I am done with this. I am leaving for Bludhaven, and never coming back. What has our world come to?""It has come to a world of pain, misery, and agony. Gotham City is a hell hole. Why? Because it was lead by the wrong man. I am the future of Gotham. Bruce....was too weak."Red Hood looks toward Nightwing and shoots him straight in the chest, leaving Nightwing lying on the ground, bleeding to death. "How...how could you?""It was just a matter of time. With Talia.....I will rule Gotham, and make it what it truly should be. Goodbye brother....rest in hell."Red Hood leaves and closes the door on Nightwing, leaving him in pool of blood and tears. Produceman is dead. He was: {Spoiler}Mister Zsasz-Psychopathic Vanilla Townie-Town Aligned Mafia has won the game and the game is now over. I will post a discussion board later tonight. Give you some time to really put everything together after such an intense game.
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Post by Jazzman on Mar 24, 2013 23:16:56 GMT -5
Unreal... seriously unreal.
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