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Post by Orange on Mar 19, 2013 14:17:41 GMT -5
You're all barking up the wrong tree. Brb is your scum. TRUST ME Could you elaborate on that a bit?
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on Mar 19, 2013 14:21:23 GMT -5
I'm 100% convinced that he's scum. I am that confident that he's not town. You lynch me, you lynch a townie and hand the game over to scum. Don't blow this people. Lynch BRB.
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on Mar 19, 2013 14:21:54 GMT -5
And with that, back to the honeymoon lol
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Post by Orange on Mar 19, 2013 14:37:49 GMT -5
I'm 100% convinced that he's scum. I am that confident that he's not town. You lynch me, you lynch a townie and hand the game over to scum. Don't blow this people. Lynch BRB. I know you don't have much free-time, but that's really not convincing me. In fact, it reminds me of some of pegasus' sure things that amounted to dead townies.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Mar 19, 2013 14:57:29 GMT -5
Language is a funny thing. Sometimes it's what you don't say. Why say "Scum" when you can say "Mafia" or "Cult?" It's not important when you have, say, 15 or even 10 players left. I think it's telling when one doesn't distinguish the two at this point when one type of Scum (Mafia) is closer to victory than the other kind of Scum (Cult).
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on Mar 19, 2013 15:29:59 GMT -5
Not that it really matters, but I'd say you'll likely flip Mafia. All i know is you ARE NOT TOWN, and therefore, need to be lynched. You're trying way too hard to look town. I'm beginning to think Orange is your scum buddy. I'd place my chips on yami and i being 100% town and Peg likely town as well.
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on Mar 19, 2013 15:34:24 GMT -5
This will be my last post until thee honeymoon is over. Don't let BRB and orange fool you into lynching me because I can't defend myself. Use your heads. Look at my voting patterns and my playstyle. Of you think that makes me scum, then lynch me. Don't do it because these 2 are trying to win the game for scum. If Yami and Peg were scum, they'd quick hammer BRB. Trust me guys, I've only claimed 100% once before in this game and that was Lodi, who flipped Mafia. BRB IS OUR ENEMY. let's hang him out to dry. And, with that, good luck town. Hope you make the correct decision.
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Post by Orange on Mar 19, 2013 16:48:43 GMT -5
Trust me guys, I've only claimed 100% once before in this game and that was Lodi, who flipped Mafia. Except you didn't. Damn, a lot to digest. I apologize for not being more active. With 40 days til my wedding i'm having to focus in getting everything sorted. I've reread the thread and I feel suspicious of Orange. Something about him strikes me as odd. His arguments against SnS don't seem right at all. That being said, with CageKing allegedly a power role (btw, didn't like him being "outed." Just because one player figured it out doesn't necessarily mean scum has, too), his leaning towards Lodi makes me think he's our best shot at scum this day phase. Time's a wasting. Have to make my vote count. Vote: Lodi"He's our best shot at scum" is RADICALLY different from "I'm 100% this guy is scum". Past that, if you are Mafia, it'd be very easy to read that post as "this dude slipped up, let's just sacrifice him and move on". Also, about that point about my arguments against SnS not feeling right, it turns out they were. If I were scum, would I have really been head-hunting the Cult Leader? Past that, if you really want to analyze voting patterns, you voted for BiTW, who flipped town. And let's analyze this a bit, shall we? EVERYONE, I would like to hear where you stand (Town or Mafia/Scum) on the following players: PegasusWarrior - leaving scum. Something tells me you might be trying too hard to look town The Man they Call Asher - leaning town Yami Redgrave -was leaning town early on, now leaning scum SnS - leaning scum jazzman - leaning town Produceman - town Wolf Hurricane - leaning town Orange - leaning scum Asher - You had leaning town - he flipped cult Jazzman - You had leaning town - he flipped cult Wolf Hurricane - You had leaning town - he flipped cult. Folks, you're looking at the last cult member right there.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Mar 19, 2013 17:06:35 GMT -5
Before I unvote Produce, I feel it is only fair to ask when he made those assertions. While we cannot know when anyone was converted until after the game, he might have been correct at the time he assessed them.
That said, if memory serves, two of those three just got lynched/killed one right after the other (Asher and Wolf) and two were Night-Killed (Jazzman and Wolf). Someone correct me if I'm wrong on this.
That said, if Orange and I are Scum-buddies (there's that use of the word "Scum" again), then we must be Mafia and that means we're rocking this joint for a first outing. I think it is clear that the two of us cannot both be Mafia (the only mathematically possible way to be "Scum buddies" right now), but maybe one of us is.
But y'know what? I have an idea now. Time for an experiment.
Unvote
Vote: Yami Redgrave
Let's watch, shall we?
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Mar 19, 2013 21:28:58 GMT -5
So... Who are you fixing to vote for at this point, Orange?
And, all things aside, what about you, PW? I think Produce is a little distracted and thus has gotten sloppy. He's not even backing himself up like you at last manage. Just accusing me and insisting upon it. Plus he never answered, not even danced around, your question to him.
And my little experiment is still on with my latest vote.
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Post by Orange on Mar 19, 2013 22:05:57 GMT -5
So... Who are you fixing to vote for at this point, Orange? And, all things aside, what about you, PW? I think Produce is a little distracted and thus has gotten sloppy. He's not even backing himself up like you at last manage. Just accusing me and insisting upon it. Plus he never answered, not even danced around, your question to him. And my little experiment is still on with my latest vote. I don't know. On one hand, voting for Produce seems kind of cheap given that he can't be around much to defend himself. I mean, one can't expect somebody to dedicate their entire life to this game, especially if they've warned that they'd be absent for a big event. He said a long time ago that this would happen, so that feels kind of cheap. If I was suspicious of Yami, I'd feel the same given his current circumstances. On the other hand, like I said earlier, I've always had my hand right above the buzzer to vote for Pegasus, but I always either back off or retract the vote. I did the same thing with SnS, pre-investigation where he came back clean, and he ended up being a cult leader. Of course, I hardly had the power to lynch SnS all by myself, and any efforts to lead a lynch probably would've failed as there were other, bigger targets to be had in terms of consensus at those times, but we could've gotten rid of the cult leader so much quicker. I see the same thing happening with pegasus, but I- I just don't know. For me, it's either pegasus or Produce Man, as I really don't see you or Yami being scum of any kind. The worst you could be is converted cult, and I really don't believe that. So, yeah, I'd be fine with either one.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Mar 19, 2013 22:42:08 GMT -5
Vote for Produceman and I'll join you, Orange.
As for PW and Yami, doesn't Produceman seem a little sloppy to you? Kinda lacking in substance with his accusations? I don't believe a honeymoon is a good excuse for that, because he doesn't even make a simple argument against me; he only has insistence. Furthermore, I honestly believe that the word "Scum" is dangerous at this point, even if it's habit.
I hope my case against Orange and myself being "Scum Buddies" feels logical for the both of you and enough to join us if we move ahead.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Mar 19, 2013 22:47:16 GMT -5
On another note, let's be frank for a moment: if we lynch Produce on this Day, it may be cheap, but he still signed up for this game. Besides that, it would benefit him in the real world as he could catch up with the game later. It would be cheaper to vote Yami because it's not as if he new he'd be at the hospital. That said, it may be liberating for him to be lynched too.
Things to consider.
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Post by Orange on Mar 20, 2013 14:37:11 GMT -5
On another note, let's be frank for a moment: if we lynch Produce on this Day, it may be cheap, but he still signed up for this game. Besides that, it would benefit him in the real world as he could catch up with the game later. It would be cheaper to vote Yami because it's not as if he new he'd be at the hospital. That said, it may be liberating for him to be lynched too. Things to consider. That's a fair point. I'll think about what I want to do and post about it later. Got some things to think about.
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Post by Yami Daimao on Mar 20, 2013 17:09:54 GMT -5
The thing is, BRB, we don't know if we're dealing with 2 Mafia left. As I explained it before a couple Days phases ago, I think this game actually started out with 3 Mafia members, because I think Knailsic's Judas role was a "mercy" role for Mafia. If you ask me, I think we're dealing with 2 scum in total; 1 Mafia, 1 Cultist. If this is true, and we lynch a Townie, then it's game over. However, if we lynch a townie, and this game continues, then I'm right (this is ONLY if Mafia ends up nailing Cult instead of a Townie during the Night). There's only one way to find out. But like I also said that time, I would not be surprised if this did start with 4 (5 plus Knailsic), as we have not seen a Vanilla Goon. Again, it's just what I think.
BRB has a right to be more concerned of Mafia than Cult if he believes we're dealing with 2 Mafia left, that's obvious. But at the same time, we don't know how many we're dealing with, and with Wolf saying the exact same thing the previous Day before flipping Cult, this alarms me a bit.
On top of that, you shouldn't put too much thought into those who say "Scum" as opposed to either "Mafia" or "Cult", as there are some, like me, who are not after specific scum factions, and just wish to get rid of any scum. That's what a Townie wants at the end, dead scum, doesn't matter what kind. If there were more proof of the 2 Mafia theory, than I guess you would have more of a case against Produce. With that said:
Vote: Pegasus
I'm aware I haven't been on AT ALL yesterday, and so it's why I'm placing my vote now, just in case. If I can get another chance to get on before the deadline, and a much better and more reliable case is presented, then I'll unvote. But at this point, I doubt it.
That said, I think I've debated this long enough. Pegasus just keeps revisiting old reasons that have already been debunked at this point. I've gone on and on as to why I've found him suspicious for the last few Days, and so this should come as to no surprise. Much like Orange, I've had my hand on the buzzer in the past, but opted out for broken promises. It's time to know where you stand, I'm tired of being on the fence with you. If you're town, then you're the scummiest townie I've seen yet. If you're scum, well then, hey, you're doing a damn good job.
Believe me, if we're not dealing with 2 Mafia, then I'm almost positive who the last remaining scum are based on process of elimination (again, that's if there will be a Day 10).
We just seem to be running around in circles here, and so I feel we should go for the one person who some people had a lot of doubt for a long time; Pegasus.
It's time.
(Hold the Vader jokes, ha ha)
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Post by MasonK565 on Mar 20, 2013 17:17:32 GMT -5
Voting: Yami Redgrave (1): BoilerRoomBrawler BoilerRoomBrawler (1): Produceman Pegasuswarrior (1): Yami Redgrave
Not Voting: Pegasuswarrior Orange
There are now 5 of you left. Day Phase ends Friday Night at 5 p.m. CENTRAL TIME. Sorry the write up took so long. Lynch needs 3 votes.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Mar 20, 2013 17:21:10 GMT -5
Ah f*** it.
Unvote
Vote: Pegasuswarrior
As for Yami, I'll say this: that's what I'm looking for.
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Post by Orange on Mar 20, 2013 17:35:16 GMT -5
Funny, I've wanted to have Pegasus lynched for a while, yet when it comes down to me, I'm nervous as all hell. However, if we're going to do this, then we're going to do this, and we've never been in a better position.
It's time to see if our suspicions are correct. It's finally time.
Vote: pegasuswarrior
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Mar 20, 2013 18:21:12 GMT -5
Well, if this is it, guys, it was a pleasure, and if there is one Mafia left after this, I dare you to kill me. I dare you, I double dare you. Kill me and watch as Town figures it all out.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Mar 20, 2013 18:42:05 GMT -5
Idiocy ... BRB. If you're Town (which I think you are). You're an absolute moron and I urge you to stay away from these games for as long as your dice let you. (If I'm wrong, then you're haphazard "newbness" disguise fit you well, and I legit bow to you. No joke. I bow to you.) I was in the process of a post in which I wanted to make another case for Yami Redgrave. Out of everyone, I'd bet my butthole he's the one that's Mafia. I'm not going through anymore posts (I was putting my case together before the hammer dropped). Here is what I was doing ... ------------------------------------------- Day 2: officialfan.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=forumgames&thread=463765&post=9373353At one point in the game, it made sense to Yami Redgrave that Mafia/Scum could be voting Town. Now, if you vote against scum, you must automatically be Mafia, according to Redgrave and BRB. I begged you all to pay attention to get rid of Zack Morris eventually. I was voting against a Townsperson (unknowingly) at the time: Hayden. Let’s suppose for a moment that Zack Morris did NOT get nightkilled. What would’ve happened? I would’ve been lynched the next day phase no questions asked. Go back and look. That was the deal. EVERYONE knows that to be true. Now, when I flipped Town after that next day phase OR—what I was anticipating as a last resort—after being nightkilled by actual Mafia, you would’ve chased Zack Morris. At least you had a heads up on what direction to go. Street Spartan made some mistakes on holding back information he had culled, so when he took the bullet during his nightkill, we really didn’t benefit all that much from his ability. We’re still left sorting out the odds and ends of what he knew or didn’t know. So forget all of that for a minute, and look at the flipside of the argument (for those banking on my being Mafia). WHY on earth would I, if Mafia, point out Zack Morris on the brink of the following day when I was DEFINITELY going to get lynched if Hayden flipped Town? What strategy would there be for Mafia to do such a thing? Why would Mafia—out of nowhere—say “I know Zack Morris is scum” as a precursor to the possibility of facing the death sentence? You’re telling me no one can justify that I had pegged scum the night before so I had to get information out to the Town in the likelihood of a nightkill. There really is no other explanation for why I would do that IF I were anything but Town. I am willing to listen to the rationale on that if you find a reason why Mafia would shout out the name Zack Morris out of the blue when there had been no talk of him being Mafia to begin with during that section of the game. So, from the quote post above, Yami has apparently changed his perception of how Mafia voting works. It may very well be that he learned a lesson the hard way (via Zack Morris flipping scum) and so he has changed his mindset. But man, that’s a complete 180, and it completely counteracts all logic in how the game is played. Town tries to find Mafia and all scum. So it’s only natural that someone who gets ultra involved is going to be going after said scum hardcore. I voted Moonie completely in reluctance (didn’t want a no lynch). I voted ritt (I’ve pointed out since my first hints at role as a necessary evil). I’ve admitted that I NEEDED Hayden to flip Mafia, which was a flat out wrong vote on my part, and I mentioned the Zack Morris nightkill was a huge lucky break for Town and for me (because I checked on Asher the night after and got a scum reveal). officialfan.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=forumgames&thread=463765&post=9373427I really think this could be Yami overplaying his hand. He coddles the voters in the wrong for RTaker’s lynch and then saddles up alongside them to passively drop the hint as to why he did the same, thus letting himself off the hook at the same time. officialfan.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=forumgames&action=post&thread=464534"e=9398734&page=13This is my quote. I still feel that way looking back. There is not one thing Yami has done to “rock the boat.” I have instances of where BRB has said a few things that come across as genuinely “newbish”(things a Godfather just wouldn’t say presumably) and I feel Orange has done enough to clear himself from being Mafia. Redgrave plays every post so close to the chest and it’s just not something that settles right with me. People praised him for how well he defended himself and replied in early game. That’s what Mafia has to do to win. That’s the whole strategy of posts. Want to know how I look for Mafia sometimes in late games (usually after I’ve been killed already and I’m watching game as a lurker)? I don’t look so much for incriminating posts. I look for ways I could clear each person from being guilty. I don’t see anything that clears Yami. officialfan.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=forumgames&thread=464534&post=9400161I really don’t know what disruption this alleged role caused within Mafia. I’m not saying it makes you guilty (because I don’t see Mafia just throwing info like that out there) but you’re alleged role didn’t lead to any Mafia uncoverings. Your claim was made early in the game. Care to elaborate on how your power role has helped? I haven’t seen it working at all. The claim there was that it was going to start working soon. Where was this role beneficial? Can you at least hint if it did, in fact, turn out beneficial? Like I said, I saw no lynches or follow-ups about it. It’s a head-scratcher for me. officialfan.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=forumgames&thread=464534&post=9418404Please explain what this post meant, BRB. I don’t get it. I think it will really shed some light on where we’re at right now in the game. Again, no Mafia was disrupted—3 nightkills the night before and all of them not Mafia. And then we didn’t get a lynch the next day either. I know it’s an allusion to your power role, but what good was it doing? You show here that it was doing some good. Help me understand please so I can clear you from Mafia consideration. officialfan.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=forumgames&thread=464534&post=9418415officialfan.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=forumgames&thread=464534&post=9418418officialfan.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=forumgames&thread=464534&post=9418458Huh? How so? What does that last post mean? officialfan.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=forumgames&thread=464534&post=9421903Any insight you can provide into why you are not dead would be appreciated. If you have a “scary” power role, why has Mafia not killed you? officialfan.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=forumgames&thread=464534&post=9416031Something in this Zack Morris post catches my attention. He makes a very similar argument to what I’ve been say in the “why would I?” format. I think that’s effective for Town. He flipped Mafia, however. That’s an “all bets are off” situation. I think the “why would I?” statement comes across way too defensive at this point, and if nothing else, leads me more in Yami’s direction. If he were Town, then that statement makes perfect sense. But as Mafia, it’s a little overprotective now that we have the reveal on Latino Meat. officialfan.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=forumgames&thread=464534&post=9423622Just a random quote for truth. Had to do it as I was combing back through the threads. It’s so true. So so true. officialfan.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=forumgames&thread=464534&post=9445306Not to be incriminating here, but following the Street Spartan night kill and the lack of a lynch on Knailsic, here is a helpful “where he stands” post. As always, “on the fence/no read” on some critical players we now need reads on. Not necessarily incriminating, but a post I wanted to quote nonetheless. officialfan.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=forumgames&thread=464534&post=9451147This follows a bandwagon vote toward Knailsic. He’s quick to point out that Knailsic is 50/50 and he would willingly go against someone else. I would too if I were Mafia. Again, something that keeps on consistently is how he has hounded me and dropped hints that I could be scum. I would think Zack Morris would’ve “Mafia copped” a feel on me at some point while the lights were off. Since I didn’t have an ability until the night after Knailsic was lynched, I wonder if I showed up as “no power role” during his investigations and that’s why the Mafia moved on to bigger fish to fry. Yami really tries to put the doubt on me throughout the game. Knowing that I’m town, I wonder why he didn’t nightkill me. I really think the only answer to that would be that Zack Morris got a “he’s clean” night read on me and thus he and the remaining Mafia went exclusively for other power roles they could confirm. officialfan.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=forumgames&thread=464534&post=9451288Legit question: then how on God’s green earth were you more valuable to us than Town Cop? You roleblocked once and you investigated once. How is that more powerful than cop? Earlier in the game you were claiming how much more valuable your character was than a cop. Again, just looking for an explanation. Not incriminating you.
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