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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 19, 2013 18:22:08 GMT -5
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Post by babyfootball on Mar 19, 2013 18:45:20 GMT -5
There's no passion it seems like. Punk's basically a giggling cartoon villain a and Taker seems mildly irritated most of the time. I didn't expect much from the feud, but something different from this. Maybe Punk being really pissed off that someone like him busts his ass, but gets overshadowed by the likes of Taker showing up once a year and he rants about he'd gladly destroy a 20 plus year legacy, break the fans hearts, and ruin the Phenom's life if the spotlight was on himself just a little more. And Taker being enraged by Punk's actions to the point where he's going on a rampage, attacking any security or wrestlers who get in his way and burning an effigy or shirt of Punk on the air. Instead its Punk being a troll and Undertaker glaring at him. I agree with this. I don't agree with the idea that people don't like it because it contained no insider references or whatever. Punk's personality is a snarky dick who speaks a lot of truths that others are afraid to say, but does it for self-serving reasons. It was a "pipe-bomb" and "revolutionary" when it was regarding Cena because a lot of people already don't like Cena and/or his booking. Undertaker would be a whole different story because he's near-univerally respected, even by "smarks" who would have told you during the Attitude Era that he sucked in the ring, despite his legendary character. Nobody really wants to see the streak broken (unless, for some, it's by the "right guy" who "needs the rub" or whatever). Punk would have a much harder time getting the majority of the audience (he will always have his crew of hardcore fans who will cheer him no matter what, because they want to think they're "fully evolved" enough that he's laughing WITH them, and not AT them, because they are not one of the "flock of sheep," although a lot of the rest of us appreciate him for what he is despite his less endearing characteristics and the possibility that we would NOT like him if we ever actually met him, or at least he wouldn't like us, but that's a whole other can of worms) to cheer him over Undertaker than he did getting them to cheer him over Cena. I think that despite Undertaker's perma-over status, they're still afraid that if Punk says/does anything too "rebellious" or "edgy" that people might turn on 'Taker a big, so they're keeping him reigned in. Plus, there wasn't much of an angle to start with, and I think it'd be awkward to ramp up the intensity this quickly without Punk just becoming a cartoonishly textbook over-the-top heel (which he's already kind of done in previous feuds, which I actually think would be the ticket in this feud). Really, it all just seems too last-minute, and that's probably because 'Taker took a while to commit to showing up at TV in the lead-up, despite the fact that I really think few doubted all along that he'd be down for a match at Wrestlemania this year. I think next year, for WM 30, it's a lot more likely that they decide on a big angle for him earlier, and I can't see, barring his breaking down even more on a physical level within one year, Undertaker deciding it's better to turn down what would probably be a bigger-than-your-typical-'Taker-'Mania match (though his matches with HBK and less so HHH would really be hard to top), along with the very nice paycheck.
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Post by Professor Chaos on Mar 19, 2013 18:52:16 GMT -5
As a huge Punk fan gotta admit that promo was cringeworthy. This went from the only Mania match I was interested in to not wanna buy it. Hope things pick up the next 2 shows because this whole RAW was crap.
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Post by slappy on Mar 19, 2013 18:55:13 GMT -5
We all know that if it was CM Punk that had cut that promo, you guys would have eaten it up.
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Post by BorneAgain on Mar 19, 2013 18:55:59 GMT -5
We all know that if it was CM Punk that had cut that promo, you guys would have eaten it up. Okay, that's made me laugh harder than anything in a while. ;D Kudos for the reference my good sir.
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Post by willywonka666 on Mar 19, 2013 18:58:15 GMT -5
I despise Punk and it got me to thinking, why was I ok with Piper when I was 11, but not Punk being a heel all these years later...
I guess because I don't buy the "best in the world" shit, but then again, he's a heel, he's supposed to say that, yet people do seem to heap praise on him non kayfabe, and it makes me actually hate him, that and general shitty stories I hear, which yea, I don't see it firsthand, but I have a feeling deep down he is a prick.
The promo should have been an Undertaker promo, period, or at least he should have been allowed to talk
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Post by jjdash on Mar 19, 2013 19:07:53 GMT -5
Punk is one of the best promo guys in the business... when he believes what he is saying (like in the instances of the original pipe bomb and calling out Jeff on the drugs etc.)
When he's not as invested on a personal level his promos decline.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Mar 19, 2013 19:22:33 GMT -5
Better than your spelling. Didn't know Punk posted here. Honest to god, that's the kind of response he would give to someone on twitter. I almost forgot how completely obnoxious post-SummerSlam Punk was.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2013 19:34:58 GMT -5
Meh the thing that bugged me is Undertaker arrives and was going to go on a big rant of kicking Punk's ass. Punk interrupts him and disrespects him and Paul Bearer. Camera is on the Undertaker and segment is over. Like they didn't show Undertaker getting angry he's like meh whatever where he could of added some heat in the feud by screaming into the mic on how much Punk is a deadman or something.
Like remember that promo Jericho insulted Punk's family from the titantron and Punk screamed I'm going to beat the shit out of you? It made the feud seem more personal and got the fans excited that Punk is pissed and is going to legitally beat the shit out of Jericho at Wrestlemania. If he didn't people be like wow what a weakling why are we cheering for him?
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Post by percymania on Mar 19, 2013 20:11:16 GMT -5
I thought the promo was fine. It was bit excessive with the urn juggling, but it was another great heel promo delivered by Punk. He makes people hate him.
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Post by kidglov3s on Mar 19, 2013 20:15:46 GMT -5
Didn't know Punk posted here. Honest to god, that's the kind of response he would give to someone on twitter. I almost forgot how completely obnoxious post-SummerSlam Punk was. Really week-after-return through about HiaC was when he was at his worst for being obnoxious. There were a lot of times where he was insufferably obnoxious as in the gif you posted. Kind of like how from Survivor Series 2011 - Raw 1000 was when he was at his worst for being lame as hell.
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Post by bearned on Mar 19, 2013 20:31:55 GMT -5
I enjoyed the bit when he lifted the lid of the urn to make it look like it was talking. Gold.
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Post by kidglov3s on Mar 19, 2013 20:43:28 GMT -5
I enjoyed the bit when he lifted the lid of the urn to make it look like it was talking. Gold. Me too. I thought the promo as a whole was fun. The way he was dressed and his general mannerism I was kinda hoping he'd try to hacky the urn.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Mar 19, 2013 20:45:11 GMT -5
It felt like it went for a tad too long due to Undertaker not really having much to say, but I liked the overall idea of him juggling the urn around. He's just a massive prick who respects nobody, and Taker is all about respect; it's a good contrast.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Mar 19, 2013 20:49:32 GMT -5
Why are some of you acting like your mothers have been insulted?
People just thought the promo sucked, got no reaction from the crowd, and did nothing to build interest in the match.
The response: "Your spelling sucks and your just mad because it wasn't smarky enough"
Well played. You certainly showed us who's boss.
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 19, 2013 21:02:01 GMT -5
Why are some of you acting like your mothers have been insulted? People just thought the promo sucked, got no reaction from the crowd, and did nothing to build interest in the match. The response: "Your spelling sucks and your just mad because it wasn't smarky enough" Well played. You certainly showed us who's boss. Actually, all they did was mock the spelling. Given how terrible the proofreading people do(or should do) can be with thread titles, it gets really old.
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Post by The Tee Why on Mar 19, 2013 21:14:45 GMT -5
Id rather this, than him bring up 4th wall crap like "Hey taker, hows michelle mccool?" or something lame like that.
I still find the paul bearersploitation a little bit stupid, like if he didnt pass away, what the hell would they be feuding about? How would Punk get under Undertakers skin? Would Bearer have been involved in this on television and Punk would bully him about? Who knows.
It isnt a matter of "Well both parties are ok with it, so shut up" to me, it's just so incredibly cheap and stupid.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Mar 19, 2013 21:23:17 GMT -5
after watching it again I'm half-convinced that the reason it's so horrible is that neither one of them is comfortable using Paul Bearer in such a tasteless way.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Mar 20, 2013 1:14:33 GMT -5
I almost forgot how completely obnoxious post-SummerSlam Punk was. Really week-after-return through about HiaC was when he was at his worst for being obnoxious. There were a lot of times where he was insufferably obnoxious as in the gif you posted. Kind of like how from Survivor Series 2011 - Raw 1000 was when he was at his worst for being lame as hell. Remember some of his scintillating trash talk? "Vickie, just because you say excuse me doesn't mean that me, or AJ, or anyone else in the WWE Universe have to EXCUSE YOU!"
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Post by M. Dirrty on Mar 20, 2013 1:34:25 GMT -5
Seemed ok until the end.
Very anti climatic. Almost like Taker had very little to react to. Anyone else think maybe the urn was supposed to pop open? Seemed weird how Punk mentioned the top staying on.
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