No Longer a Produceman
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on Apr 3, 2013 17:20:42 GMT -5
Well we didn't get much from the write up did we?
That being said, I personally tend to read too much into write ups and will not be doing so this game.
I agree that we need a lynch and an fine with whomever that may be. day one is always a crap shoot and i'm not afraid to get the ball rolling. I will be withholding my vote for now and studying everyone's play for now.
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Post by The Man They Call Asher on Apr 3, 2013 17:35:25 GMT -5
Hm. I'll have to remember that. Nice. K(C)ALM... Y'know, this might be nitpicky and stupid, but on day one I've gotta go with whatever jumps out at me and this looks a lot like Mafia trying to casually take things in stride, if that makes sense to you. Almost like "Hm, maybe if I acknowledge this positively, I''ll look less suspicious." Like I said, it's nitpicky but on day one, that's all we got. So Vote: BoilerRoomBrawler.It's not a very concrete vote however, just something to get wheels turning.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Apr 3, 2013 17:37:49 GMT -5
Yeah, Day 1 is tricky as hell. We have nothing to go on and we're sitting ducks for mafia and any potential third parties.
Keep your eyes open and hope for the best. That's all we can do for now.
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lodirulz
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Post by lodirulz on Apr 3, 2013 17:50:58 GMT -5
Time is our best friend and our worst enemy. If we rush things, we get confused, arguments get heated, and it takes up space and it divides us, more likely in a bad way, during the next phase or two. If we use too much time, we don't get anything done, and the enemy gets a free pass.
But at the same time, if we take a few days to look at certain behaviors, and look at the way people vote and the way that people act, we can gather evidence, get that big C word that I like in a vote: Confidence, and we have a better chance on starting off on the right foot.
So with that said, we know very little about anything right now, and of course, it would be great if we could get somebody big out of the Mafia on the very first day, but we can't jump the gun. It's the first day. We've got to settle in first before we can turn up the heat on somebody.
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Post by lodirulz on Apr 3, 2013 17:52:55 GMT -5
EBWOP: Note that when I mention the first day twice, I mean the first Day Phase the first time, and the first day of the game the second time.
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Post by 'Foretold' Joker on Apr 3, 2013 18:16:40 GMT -5
First day and there isn't much of anything to go on.
Plus it's raining.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Apr 3, 2013 18:18:03 GMT -5
I hate day one. Love mafia games that I've played so far, hate day one. I love when the ball gets rolling in games much better than now.
Unfortunately, we have to start somewhere and we have to question everything that jumps out at us.
I need to know how confident we are that there are third parties in this game. I need an idea of where everyone stands on this.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Apr 3, 2013 18:19:52 GMT -5
Well we didn't get much from the write up did we? That being said, I personally tend to read too much into write ups and will not be doing so this game. I agree that we need a lynch and an fine with whomever that may be. day one is always a crap shoot and i'm not afraid to get the ball rolling. I will be withholding my vote for now and studying everyone's play for now. Yeah, I agree. I did figure out in Batman that Red Hood was Mafia well into the game, but it didn't matter since I did not know who Red Hood was. I think it's just there for flavor. I do wonder which characters will be in this game though. I was surprised by who I got, and I doubt I'd have the only "obscure" character.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Apr 3, 2013 18:20:30 GMT -5
Sounds like there could be a serial killer from the write-up but it could be a red herring to make things interesting in the game.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Apr 3, 2013 18:23:53 GMT -5
Hm. I'll have to remember that. Nice. K(C)ALM... Y'know, this might be nitpicky and stupid, but on day one I've gotta go with whatever jumps out at me and this looks a lot like Mafia trying to casually take things in stride, if that makes sense to you. Almost like "Hm, maybe if I acknowledge this positively, I''ll look less suspicious." Like I said, it's nitpicky but on day one, that's all we got. So Vote: BoilerRoomBrawler.It's not a very concrete vote however, just something to get wheels turning. I would meaningfully respond to that but, well, yeah - there's nothing much to go off of. Says me, the guy who randomly rolled his Day 1 pick. ... Here's a question: what will our stance on inactives be? The game is fresh now, but how do we decide someone is inactive down the road?
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Apr 3, 2013 18:26:58 GMT -5
Y'know, this might be nitpicky and stupid, but on day one I've gotta go with whatever jumps out at me and this looks a lot like Mafia trying to casually take things in stride, if that makes sense to you. Almost like "Hm, maybe if I acknowledge this positively, I''ll look less suspicious." Like I said, it's nitpicky but on day one, that's all we got. So Vote: BoilerRoomBrawler.It's not a very concrete vote however, just something to get wheels turning. I would meaningfully respond to that but, well, yeah - there's nothing much to go off of. Says me, the guy who randomly rolled his Day 1 pick. ... Here's a question: what will our stance on inactives be? The game is fresh now, but how do we decide someone is inactive down the road? Same way as usual. Contributing enough to not be replaced. That shouldn't be our first priority though. Our priority must be to watch for slips and figure out exactly how many mafia/third parties their are in the game. If all else fails, then we can come to that.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Apr 3, 2013 18:31:38 GMT -5
I've said it before and I'll say it again: lynching inactives is way too much of a shot in the dark. Active inactives I have no problem with lynching--- those that post, but never post anything meaningful or helpful to our cause--- but you have no idea where an inactive player stands. Because they haven't posted we can't tell whether they are scum deep under the radar or a townie who is simply sitting by. For all we know we could be lynching the doctor again or another crucial role to our survival.
I say we only lynch inactives as a last resort. Because if they remain inactive they'll either be replaced or they'll be goners anyway. No sense in throwing a vote away by ousting one like that.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Apr 3, 2013 18:36:13 GMT -5
Bottom line: Figuring out who is town and who's not and how many non-town roles there are should be our first priority.
That said, what's the theories as far as the number of non-town mafia/third party players there are in this game?
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Apr 3, 2013 18:40:13 GMT -5
I'm saying no higher than six, not counting converted players if there's a cult in the mix.
So that would be anywhere from three to six Mafia if we're looking at them as our only adversary, three to five if there's a Cult or Serial Killer/Psychopath, and three or four if both of the aforementioned are present.
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Post by Big Bad Brad on Apr 3, 2013 18:41:30 GMT -5
I already gave my theory I figured about 4 or 5 mafia plus at least one third party.
I'm thinking 5 or 6 scum in total there is no way of knowing for sure just a guess at this point.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Apr 3, 2013 18:44:31 GMT -5
There are at least 3 or 4 mafia in this game. That much is certain. That seems to be the magic number in these types of games.
I've yet to play in a game with a cult. I was in Batman until personal issues took up more of my time. Even after looking through that game after it finished, I still don't understand how that whole thing works. That just makes me more paranoid in all honesty.
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Post by Big Bad Brad on Apr 3, 2013 18:51:50 GMT -5
There are at least 3 or 4 mafia in this game. That much is certain. That seems to be the magic number in these types of games. I've yet to play in a game with a cult. I was in Batman until personal issues took up more of my time. Even after looking through that game after it finished, I still don't understand how that whole thing works. That just makes me more paranoid in all honesty. It works like this the cult leader gets to convert members of the town into the cult each night once he is dead then the cult can't get no more members. So basically if you are a vanilla townie there is a good chance you could be converted into the cult at some point in the game. But honestly I don't think a cult will be in this game its possible but I doubt it.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Apr 3, 2013 18:53:09 GMT -5
I'm thinking there's about 6-8 non-town members.
3-4 regular mafia members
2-3 third party members
And there's probably one serial killer.
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Post by Yami Daimao on Apr 3, 2013 19:00:24 GMT -5
Well we didn't get much from the write up did we? That being said, I personally tend to read too much into write ups and will not be doing so this game. I agree that we need a lynch and an fine with whomever that may be. day one is always a crap shoot and i'm not afraid to get the ball rolling. I will be withholding my vote for now and studying everyone's play for now. Yeah, I agree. I did figure out in Batman that Red Hood was Mafia well into the game, but it didn't matter since I did not know who Red Hood was. I think it's just there for flavor. I do wonder which characters will be in this game though. I was surprised by who I got, and I doubt I'd have the only "obscure" character. And this is why I didn't reveal who I was, and should be a prime example as to why character revealing is a lousy idea, UNLESS you're restricted to by role (like with Double H and the Mad Hatter). Most mafia games deal with third parties, so my guess is 3 to 5 Mafia with a Serial Killer. Cult could be completely up in the air, although with a pretty big player pool like this it wouldn't surprise me if a Cult was involved. But for now, I'm going to assume we're only dealing with Mafia and a third party.
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Post by TOO SWEET on Apr 3, 2013 19:20:20 GMT -5
Yeah, if there is anything the last game taught us, its that role reveals are a bad idea. People have claimed that they are harmless fun, but we saw how beneficial it was to SNS's cult last game. Before Day Phase Two, SNS already knew four of the superpeople he couldn't convert. Giving away important info like that benefits the mafia more than anything. I've said it before and I'll say it again: lynching inactives is way too much of a shot in the dark. Active inactives I have no problem with lynching--- those that post, but never post anything meaningful or helpful to our cause--- but you have no idea where an inactive player stands. Because they haven't posted we can't tell whether they are scum deep under the radar or a townie who is simply sitting by. For all we know we could be lynching the doctor again or another crucial role to our survival. I say we only lynch inactives as a last resort. Because if they remain inactive they'll either be replaced or they'll be goners anyway. No sense in throwing a vote away by ousting one like that. I have to disagree. Inactivity is a gamekiller, and the inactives are the one who end up really ruining it. Mafia will never see fit to eliminate inactives, because inactives make it easier to hide and don't contribute or help town out at all. Realistically, its Day One and I don't really care who we go after. Its not great odds whoever it is. But in later rounds, yeah, if people aren't posting/contributing, I am going to call them out on it, possibly even with an FOS or Vote. We all agreed to play this game, so play the game. Its as simple as that. But again, Day one. Not really fair to judge yet or to really pick out who is going to be a complete non-factor in this game.
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