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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Apr 4, 2013 18:33:51 GMT -5
I get that but the only other option is to sit and wait for at least one of us to get taken out. It's not a good situation but I would prefer having a chance to get some scum than having no chance. I get where your coming from, but we can't just throw a dart at somebody's picture and hope for the best. We need a suspect that people can agree on, which is difficult to get in the first Day Phase, because the Town doesn't know who to trust so early, and The Mafia tries to make the best of that by pointing a finger and hoping it can lead us in knocking ourselves down a peg. If we did go for a Day One Bandwagon, is there anybody you'd be confident on using it on at the moment? And if you do have somebody, can you go into detail on why, instead of saying "Him because I'm suspicious of him.'' I'm not suspicious of anybody yet nor am I saying that we should just pick someone at random. The point I'm making is that it's better to achieve a lynch on this day than to not achieve a lynch, even if the odds of getting scum isn't great. As you said, this is day one and we don't have much to go on. Because of that, I don't expect a lynch on this day. That said, it would be ideal if we could achieve one on someone that people feel reasonably comfortable with voting out.
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Post by Big Bad Brad on Apr 4, 2013 18:42:57 GMT -5
Fact is if we don't lynch we will be in the same spot for Day 2 I can use my DBZ Abridged Mafia game as an example the first two days no lynches occurred and that only hurt the town because they kept going in circles debating over who to lynch for two day phases while the mafia just sat back and laughed, it would of helped the town a lot more if someone was lynched day 1 then Day 2 they could of focused on who voted to lynch whoever they lynched and maybe the town might of won the game.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Apr 4, 2013 19:02:55 GMT -5
I'm all for lynching someone by the end of the day phase, but honestly, we're not really in a rush at this point. The game just begun, after all, and we're far from being in dire straits.
Personally I'd rather make an informed decision than an impulsive one. Chances are if we take the time to figure things out rather than just vote for the first person who even looks at us all funny it'll likely be much more beneficial. Whereas if we just snap at the person who even gives an iota of suspicion off for whatever reason chances are it won't be worthwhile.
In order to win this game we'll have to come together as a town. So by that same token we need to come to a consensus on who to go after. And I would prefer we did so with valid reasoning rather than based off something trivial.
Right now there's no evidence on anyone really. And unless someone is ridiculously sloppy chances are there won't be. A scum lynch just isn't likely today given the numbers game; that's a possibility we have to face, unfortunately.
But even if we do happen to strike down a townie today we can use the information gained from that lynch to our advantage.
After Day One there are no guarantees; today is basically our only shot to come out swinging. We don't know what the night phase will bring. For all I know I could be dead as a doornail tomorrow.
So I say we all come together and try to figure this out. If we make a mistake today it's not the end of the world. But let's not wait until the last second to rush a vote if we can avoid it, but at the same time not vote as quickly as possible just get Day One over with. Let's try to find the happy medium between the two and make an informed decision.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Apr 4, 2013 19:03:40 GMT -5
I'm all for lynching someone by the end of the day phase, but honestly, we're not really in a rush at this point. The game just begun, after all, and we're far from being in dire straits.
Personally I'd rather make an informed decision than an impulsive one. Chances are if we take the time to figure things out rather than just vote for the first person who even looks at us all funny it'll likely be much more beneficial. Whereas if we just snap at the person who even gives an iota of suspicion off for whatever reason chances are it won't be worthwhile.
In order to win this game we'll have to come together as a town. So by that same token we need to come to a consensus on who to go after. And I would prefer we did so with valid reasoning rather than based off something trivial.
Right now there's no evidence on anyone really. And unless someone is ridiculously sloppy chances are there won't be. A scum lynch just isn't likely today given the numbers game; that's a possibility we have to face, unfortunately.
But even if we do happen to strike down a townie today we can use the information gained from that lynch to our advantage.
After Day One there are no guarantees; today is basically our only shot to come out swinging. We don't know what the night phase will bring. For all I know I could be dead as a doornail tomorrow.
So I say we all come together and try to figure this out. If we make a mistake today it's not the end of the world. But let's not wait until the last second to rush a vote if we can avoid it, but at the same time not vote as quickly as possible just get Day One over with. Let's try to find the happy medium between the two and make an informed decision.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Apr 4, 2013 19:04:31 GMT -5
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Apr 4, 2013 19:31:12 GMT -5
Unvote
Okay, I'll try to investigate on Day 1. I think I understand the pitfalls of blind bandwagon Day 1 lynching now, even if the blind part still strikes me as a frequently necessary evil.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Apr 4, 2013 19:41:40 GMT -5
I think we should come to a consensus on a lynch sometime this weekend personally. We need to get the jump on them before they can just pick us off during the night phases. For now, we must continue the conversation the way we are now.
The few things I can say now is that
1. I'm also keeping an eye on Asher and his vote. It's interesting that someone would stick their neck out that early with a vote like that. Either he's mafia trying to get us off track or he's found something interesting.
2. I will say that this time around, with some experience under my belt, I'm playing a much more aggressive game. I'm not playing passive this time around.
That said, I'll ask Asher to explain what it was that stuck out with him with his vote and ask Brad exactly what he means by voting for who the town votes for. To me, people should vote for who they believe to be most suspicious. Not deferring to the rest of the players unless there's solid proof to what everyone is saying.
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Post by Big Bad Brad on Apr 4, 2013 20:08:18 GMT -5
I think we should come to a consensus on a lynch sometime this weekend personally. We need to get the jump on them before they can just pick us off during the night phases. For now, we must continue the conversation the way we are now. The few things I can say now is that 1. I'm also keeping an eye on Asher and his vote. It's interesting that someone would stick their neck out that early with a vote like that. Either he's mafia trying to get us off track or he's found something interesting. 2. I will say that this time around, with some experience under my belt, I'm playing a much more aggressive game. I'm not playing passive this time around. That said, I'll ask Asher to explain what it was that stuck out with him with his vote and ask Brad exactly what he means by voting for who the town votes for. To me, people should vote for who they believe to be most suspicious. Not deferring to the rest of the players unless there's solid proof to what everyone is saying. That's what I do every game during the first day phase I can't decide who is the most suspicious so I just go with the crowd during the first day phase I have every single game I've been in where a Day 1 lynch was involved regardless of what alignment when I was town I wanted the lynch so we can use that lynch as a stepping stone for the next day phase and maybe help us catch scum for when I was mafia I just wanted to lynch some bitches. This game I want to use this lynch as a stepping stone for the next day phase, you know you always got to plan out past this day I even offer myself as a lynch victim in these games if it means you can use my lynch to help catch scum at a later day phase I don't mind being a sacrificial lamb, I win if the town wins plain and simple.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Apr 4, 2013 20:11:03 GMT -5
A thought occurred to me: does Town collectively become more anxious and less rational for a lynch the closer they get to the deadline? Furthermore, does Mafia gain an opportunistic, psychological advantage in the process by manipulating this "lynch anxiety" as said deadline approaches?
If I am onto something, it seems like something to watch out for. In many ways, I'm hypothesizing that Mafia may prefer that lynches either happen in a short period of time with little discussion or else that they prefer that discussion draws out until it comes close to deadline. Obviously Mafia prefers no lynches, but something tells me that that's rarely in the cards. If that's true, it seems like Artificial Human is generally right - we need a good idea of a lynch by Saturday (the halfway point for this Day Phase).
Am I onto something here, or am I overthinking things?
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Apr 4, 2013 20:17:28 GMT -5
Nah, most scum love lynches that don't involve them. The quicker they can whittle down the town or their other opposition the better. That's also why they might let someone like a Serial Killer stick around for awhile if they happen to find out who they are, at least until they start being targeted themselves.
Mafia is all about the survival game: talking their way out of lynches, staying in the shadows as much as possible, and getting rid of any player that they feel is a threat or too close to the truth. The sooner they can kill off their opposition the better position they'll be in. All they have to do to win is get a numbers advantage over the town. So the quicker they can get to that point the happier they'll be.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Apr 4, 2013 20:20:55 GMT -5
Usually, Quicker The Lynch, More Likely Theres Mafia Voting. The Easiest To Sway Are The Uninformed. Also, Mafia Wants Lynches To Occur, Since It Will Speed Up The Game (Less TowN To Kill At Night).
Wherever There Is A Lynch, There Is At LeasT One Mafia Vote. That Is Why To OutrIght Say We Are Going TO Bandwagon Disturbs Me. That Means, To Me, There Is No Thought tTo The Vote And Mafia Will Seemingly Blend In Without A Problem.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Apr 4, 2013 20:27:10 GMT -5
A thought occurred to me: does Town collectively become more anxious and less rational for a lynch the closer they get to the deadline? Furthermore, does Mafia gain an opportunistic, psychological advantage in the process by manipulating this "lynch anxiety" as said deadline approaches? If I am onto something, it seems like something to watch out for. In many ways, I'm hypothesizing that Mafia may prefer that lynches either happen in a short period of time with little discussion or else that they prefer that discussion draws out until it comes close to deadline. Obviously Mafia prefers no lynches, but something tells me that that's rarely in the cards. If that's true, it seems like Artificial Human is generally right - we need a good idea of a lynch by Saturday (the halfway point for this Day Phase). Am I onto something here, or am I overthinking things? Personally, that's why I said it. It gives us a decent amount of time to discuss and it takes the sense of urgency that town faces come deadline time. Most of the time we make rash decisions near the deadline it bites us bad. To Brad, my memory isn't the best so I can't comment on whether or not that's how you do things on day one. I've only played one full game with you and I don't have that game bookmarked so I don't remember if that's how you conducted business on day one. If that is how you do things on day one, then I won't push it anymore because I believe you were town in that game(Space Ghost). I just don't know if I fully agree with that play now. I used to do it all the time in my first few games, but I realize now that it's gotten me into big trouble in the Space Ghost mafia game and I need to be careful with that now.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Apr 4, 2013 20:32:08 GMT -5
Usually, Quicker The Lynch, More Likely Theres Mafia Voting. The Easiest To Sway Are The Uninformed. Also, Mafia Wants Lynches To Occur, Since It Will Speed Up The Game (Less TowN To Kill At Night). Wherever There Is A Lynch, There Is At LeasT One Mafia Vote. That Is Why To OutrIght Say We Are Going TO Bandwagon Disturbs Me. That Means, To Me, There Is No Thought tTo The Vote And Mafia Will Seemingly Blend In Without A Problem. Still, our vote is our best weapon to quote the game cliche. The bandwagon things is not something that should cause us to throw suspicion on someone yet considering it is day one and we have very little to go on of course. However, I don't like that tactic of play.
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Post by Big Bad Brad on Apr 4, 2013 20:32:31 GMT -5
Usually, Quicker The Lynch, More Likely Theres Mafia Voting. The Easiest To Sway Are The Uninformed. Also, Mafia Wants Lynches To Occur, Since It Will Speed Up The Game (Less TowN To Kill At Night). Wherever There Is A Lynch, There Is At LeasT One Mafia Vote. That Is Why To OutrIght Say We Are Going TO Bandwagon Disturbs Me. That Means, To Me, There Is No Thought tTo The Vote And Mafia Will Seemingly Blend In Without A Problem. Is There Some ReasoN You Are Typing Like This? Seams kind of odd is it some kind of post restriction? Capitalizing every word and sometimes words at the end or middle like TowN, LeasT and OutrIght I'm sure tTo is a typo.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Apr 4, 2013 20:50:21 GMT -5
For some reason, when I'm on mobile, my Swype does that.
Irritates me... gonna try to not post from mobile because of that.
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Post by Orange on Apr 4, 2013 20:50:36 GMT -5
I know you can't reference previous games too much since they're often not alike at all, but in the Batman game, most bandwagon lynches turned out to hurt the town - ESPECIALLY the day one lynch. I'm not going to be too keen to do the whole bandwagon thing again this time 'round, unless of course the case is very compelling and there's no question it's scum at hand. Probably not something we'll get this day phase.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Apr 4, 2013 20:51:30 GMT -5
Only happens here btw... I can text, Facebook, and use the web fine with Swype. Just here does it do that...
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Apr 4, 2013 21:07:11 GMT -5
As I said before, bandwagon voting is not something that should be a habit for us but it's not the worst thing in the world on day 1.
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Post by Big Bad Brad on Apr 4, 2013 21:58:31 GMT -5
To Brad, my memory isn't the best so I can't comment on whether or not that's how you do things on day one. I've only played one full game with you and I don't have that game bookmarked so I don't remember if that's how you conducted business on day one. If that is how you do things on day one, then I won't push it anymore because I believe you were town in that game(Space Ghost). I just don't know if I fully agree with that play now. I used to do it all the time in my first few games, but I realize now that it's gotten me into big trouble in the Space Ghost mafia game and I need to be careful with that now. I remember that game yes I was town I was the town skitzo Brak, I believe Lodi was lynched Day 1 (go figure) and he flipped town this time and of course I wasn't to suspicious of Lodi during Day 1 but I joined in lynching him because his lynch could of helped us in later Day Phases instead of us keep dancing in circles and not get nothing accomplished and I don't think it was a big waste we did come close to winning that game but someone goofed up in the end and gave the victory to the mafia so that lynch was not in vain we did manage to lynch the Mafia Roleblocker the next day phase partial thanks to me and my investigative work.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Apr 4, 2013 22:28:39 GMT -5
To Brad, my memory isn't the best so I can't comment on whether or not that's how you do things on day one. I've only played one full game with you and I don't have that game bookmarked so I don't remember if that's how you conducted business on day one. If that is how you do things on day one, then I won't push it anymore because I believe you were town in that game(Space Ghost). I just don't know if I fully agree with that play now. I used to do it all the time in my first few games, but I realize now that it's gotten me into big trouble in the Space Ghost mafia game and I need to be careful with that now. I remember that game yes I was town I was the town skitzo Brak, I believe Lodi was lynched Day 1 (go figure) and he flipped town this time and of course I wasn't to suspicious of Lodi during Day 1 but I joined in lynching him because his lynch could of helped us in later Day Phases instead of us keep dancing in circles and not get nothing accomplished and I don't think it was a big waste we did come close to winning that game but someone goofed up in the end and gave the victory to the mafia so that lynch was not in vain we did manage to lynch the Mafia Roleblocker the next day phase partial thanks to me and my investigative work. Indeed we came close to winning. That's all I'll say there. I remember the Lodi lynch. That's why I'm wary of bandwagon voting. I remember finding myself in trouble with quite a few people in that game after that because I was actually the hammer vote on that one. Enough of that, we need to get some real conversation going. Do you guys think Asher is looking too much into his reasoning for voting or is he on to something?
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