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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Apr 20, 2013 23:05:42 GMT -5
He should come out in a fancy car and then give it away to a "fan" every week "You only have to pay taxes, tags, and title fees"
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Post by CourtesyFlush on Apr 21, 2013 0:30:30 GMT -5
Just another generic Face run for another average wrestler. He should drive 1 of those ECO friendly cars since he's such a nice guy now. Average Wrestler?... Yea, "Average Wrestler". I said it. Prove me wrong. I'm talking average as far as WWE talent goes. He'll never sell out arenas, he'll never sell PPV's, he'll never sell merchandise. The belt was put on him from the get go. Fans didn't gravitate towards him, they were forced towards him. He is a "Mid Card" wrestler. There's nothing wrong with that, many people would love to be a "Mid Card" wrestler.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Apr 21, 2013 0:34:13 GMT -5
He should drive out in Ricardo's Datsun.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Apr 21, 2013 1:13:41 GMT -5
Yea, "Average Wrestler". I said it. Prove me wrong. I'm talking average as far as WWE talent goes. He'll never sell out arenas, he'll never sell PPV's, he'll never sell merchandise. The belt was put on him from the get go. Fans didn't gravitate towards him, they were forced towards him. He is a "Mid Card" wrestler. There's nothing wrong with that, many people would love to be a "Mid Card" wrestler. Then you mean average as far as buyrate goes. But he's far from an average "wrestler;" I can't think of a bad match he's had or a wrestler he's had one with.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Apr 21, 2013 1:41:08 GMT -5
I'd settle for his original theme music back.
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Post by nate5054 on Apr 21, 2013 4:27:06 GMT -5
Me too. This new peppy theme or whatever sucks massive amounts of donkey testicles.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2013 9:34:23 GMT -5
This is how working class mexicans come out to the ring, ADR should steal that idea (and bicycle).
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Post by Hit Girl on Apr 21, 2013 9:41:48 GMT -5
His face turn hasn't worked. The switch from Million Dollar Juan into Alberto Del Zorro was rushed. It happened too quickly and he never comes across as sympathetic, which is why Ricardo tends to bear the brunt of the sympathy role.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 21, 2013 9:50:15 GMT -5
I think they should go back to the original entrance, except no car. But with the old music, Ricardo starting his introduction after the music starts, the pyro (I'm not sure if they still do it or not, I'm too pissed about the music to notice), it was so much better in every way. That entrance might be slightly heelish, but it was also really cool and set the tone for his character. I like to use Flair as the perfect example of what they need to do with ADR. Whether Flair was a heel or face, he never changed the entrance - the epic music, the way he looked, the way he acted. Del Rio's entrance was perfect. It was bold, grandiose, larger-than-life. Why change it?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2013 10:11:06 GMT -5
He should drive out in Ricardo's Datsun. With 10 kids inside. He's a humble man, so he brings some orphans to the matches. They all pour out, celebrating this "humble man of the people". "VIVA ALBERTO! VIVA RICARDO! VIVA MEH-HEE-CO!" Then afterwards, they all go out for ice cream! (I'm shocked Vince hasn't ran with this idea before.)
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Post by keepinitreal365 on Apr 21, 2013 13:29:07 GMT -5
Yea, "Average Wrestler". I said it. Prove me wrong. I'm talking average as far as WWE talent goes. He'll never sell out arenas, he'll never sell PPV's, he'll never sell merchandise. The belt was put on him from the get go. Fans didn't gravitate towards him, they were forced towards him. He is a "Mid Card" wrestler. There's nothing wrong with that, many people would love to be a "Mid Card" wrestler. If you're saying Del Rio is an "average" wrestler because of the things you've just said then i guess EVERYONE except Cena, Punk, Rock and UnderTaker are average wrestlers. Also I'm pretty sure when wwe goes to Mexico those are going to sell out because of Del Rio. Yea that's his home country but it's still selling out an arena which goes against one of your points. Skill wise Del Rio is top 4 in the wwe. I'm so sick and tired of people not realizing that just because they don't like him. He's innovative. I watched his falls count anywhere match against cena on raw from September. There was a spot where Del Rio ran and used the side of the announce table to hit his enzuguri. The match against Daniel Bryan on smackdown. He suplexed bryan did a bridge then floated over into the cross arm breaker...beautiful. The way he counters moves to put the cross arm breaker on. Like he did with swagger on this past smackdown. His timing is top notch. I could just go on and on. Ok some of you find him boring. Ok fine that's your opinion. At the very least admit that the man is a phenomenal talent in that ring because he is.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2013 14:30:57 GMT -5
Yea, "Average Wrestler". I said it. Prove me wrong. I'm talking average as far as WWE talent goes. He'll never sell out arenas, he'll never sell PPV's, he'll never sell merchandise. The belt was put on him from the get go. Fans didn't gravitate towards him, they were forced towards him. He is a "Mid Card" wrestler. There's nothing wrong with that, many people would love to be a "Mid Card" wrestler. If you're saying Del Rio is an "average" wrestler because of the things you've just said then i guess EVERYONE except Cena, Punk, Rock and UnderTaker are average wrestlers. Also I'm pretty sure when wwe goes to Mexico those are going to sell out because of Del Rio. Yea that's his home country but it's still selling out an arena which goes against one of your points. Skill wise Del Rio is top 4 in the wwe. I'm so sick and tired of people not realizing that just because they don't like him. He's innovative. I watched his falls count anywhere match against cena on raw from September. There was a spot where Del Rio ran and used the side of the announce table to hit his enzuguri. The match against Daniel Bryan on smackdown. He suplexed bryan did a bridge then floated over into the cross arm breaker...beautiful. The way he counters moves to put the cross arm breaker on. Like he did with swagger on this past smackdown. His timing is top notch. I could just go on and on. Ok some of you find him boring. Ok fine that's your opinion. At the very least admit that the man is a phenomenal talent in that ring because he is. I kind of look at him in-ring the same way I do Punk - if you give him the right opponent he can be great (hell, his match with Christian at Extreme Rules is the only thing in 2011 that year that even comes close to how much I love Taker / Triple H) and he's very crisp in his move delivery, but in terms of the story he tells he's very dependent on who he's with being able to carry the match and a lot of what he does doesn't flow together terribly well when he's left to his own devices. I kind of have the same view of Kurt Angle but to the Nth degree both ways - Punk and del Rio rarely have outright bad matches but neither one's ever really wowed me on their own, while Angle if you put him with the right opponent is outstanding but with the wrong one it's a train wreck. Incidentally, all three of them also have the odd distinction of being among the few people I think just can't click with Cena at all, up there with Orton. Yeah, I know Punk / Cena tends to get a lot of love, but personally I think both on the mic and in the ring they just don't work together at all, outside of the Money in the Bank match which even then I thought was mostly pretty boring outside of the ending motions. Though admittedly part of that might be burnout from just how much Punk / Cena's been done, given the last time I felt outright annoyed with a given combination of people any time they crossed paths was Benoit / Edge with just how much that happened in 2004 and 2005 - it got to the point on that one that whenever a match had them against each other I'd change the channel until it was over. Anyway, about del Rio - if you put him with someone like Christian or Bryan and make it a proper match, you're going to get some great stuff. If you put him against Sheamus, as good a worker as Sheamus is, it is going to suck, and I don't think he can carry people.
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Post by keepinitreal365 on Apr 23, 2013 10:35:25 GMT -5
If you're saying Del Rio is an "average" wrestler because of the things you've just said then i guess EVERYONE except Cena, Punk, Rock and UnderTaker are average wrestlers. Also I'm pretty sure when wwe goes to Mexico those are going to sell out because of Del Rio. Yea that's his home country but it's still selling out an arena which goes against one of your points. Skill wise Del Rio is top 4 in the wwe. I'm so sick and tired of people not realizing that just because they don't like him. He's innovative. I watched his falls count anywhere match against cena on raw from September. There was a spot where Del Rio ran and used the side of the announce table to hit his enzuguri. The match against Daniel Bryan on smackdown. He suplexed bryan did a bridge then floated over into the cross arm breaker...beautiful. The way he counters moves to put the cross arm breaker on. Like he did with swagger on this past smackdown. His timing is top notch. I could just go on and on. Ok some of you find him boring. Ok fine that's your opinion. At the very least admit that the man is a phenomenal talent in that ring because he is. I kind of look at him in-ring the same way I do Punk - if you give him the right opponent he can be great (hell, his match with Christian at Extreme Rules is the only thing in 2011 that year that even comes close to how much I love Taker / Triple H) and he's very crisp in his move delivery, but in terms of the story he tells he's very dependent on who he's with being able to carry the match and a lot of what he does doesn't flow together terribly well when he's left to his own devices. I kind of have the same view of Kurt Angle but to the Nth degree both ways - Punk and del Rio rarely have outright bad matches but neither one's ever really wowed me on their own, while Angle if you put him with the right opponent is outstanding but with the wrong one it's a train wreck. Incidentally, all three of them also have the odd distinction of being among the few people I think just can't click with Cena at all, up there with Orton. Yeah, I know Punk / Cena tends to get a lot of love, but personally I think both on the mic and in the ring they just don't work together at all, outside of the Money in the Bank match which even then I thought was mostly pretty boring outside of the ending motions. Though admittedly part of that might be burnout from just how much Punk / Cena's been done, given the last time I felt outright annoyed with a given combination of people any time they crossed paths was Benoit / Edge with just how much that happened in 2004 and 2005 - it got to the point on that one that whenever a match had them against each other I'd change the channel until it was over. Anyway, about del Rio - if you put him with someone like Christian or Bryan and make it a proper match, you're going to get some great stuff. If you put him against Sheamus, as good a worker as Sheamus is, it is going to suck, and I don't think he can carry people. I think cena and punk click very well. Del Rio is better with guys that have decent-good wrestling skills. I.E. Cody,Cesaro,Bryan,Swagger etc. Explain to me what you mean by carrying people. You mean calling the match? Because i said in another thread that I noticed Del Rio calling the spots in his ziggler matches and his swagger matches and those matches have been fantastic. Is that what you mean by carrying?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2013 10:44:39 GMT -5
I kind of look at him in-ring the same way I do Punk - if you give him the right opponent he can be great (hell, his match with Christian at Extreme Rules is the only thing in 2011 that year that even comes close to how much I love Taker / Triple H) and he's very crisp in his move delivery, but in terms of the story he tells he's very dependent on who he's with being able to carry the match and a lot of what he does doesn't flow together terribly well when he's left to his own devices. I kind of have the same view of Kurt Angle but to the Nth degree both ways - Punk and del Rio rarely have outright bad matches but neither one's ever really wowed me on their own, while Angle if you put him with the right opponent is outstanding but with the wrong one it's a train wreck. Incidentally, all three of them also have the odd distinction of being among the few people I think just can't click with Cena at all, up there with Orton. Yeah, I know Punk / Cena tends to get a lot of love, but personally I think both on the mic and in the ring they just don't work together at all, outside of the Money in the Bank match which even then I thought was mostly pretty boring outside of the ending motions. Though admittedly part of that might be burnout from just how much Punk / Cena's been done, given the last time I felt outright annoyed with a given combination of people any time they crossed paths was Benoit / Edge with just how much that happened in 2004 and 2005 - it got to the point on that one that whenever a match had them against each other I'd change the channel until it was over. Anyway, about del Rio - if you put him with someone like Christian or Bryan and make it a proper match, you're going to get some great stuff. If you put him against Sheamus, as good a worker as Sheamus is, it is going to suck, and I don't think he can carry people. I think cena and punk click very well. Del Rio is better with guys that have decent-good wrestling skills. I.E. Cody,Cesaro,Bryan,Swagger etc. Explain to me what you mean by carrying people. You mean calling the match? Because i said in another thread that I noticed Del Rio calling the spots in his ziggler matches and his swagger matches and those matches have been fantastic. Is that what you mean by carrying? What I mean is managing a solid match with a lesser opponent, or bringing them up to his level. Like, Cena's managed a few solid matches with Khali, and someone like Ziggler or Bryan can get a good match out of pretty much anyone, but if given someone who isn't any good to work with I can't see del Rio doing the same.
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Post by keepinitreal365 on Apr 23, 2013 10:57:10 GMT -5
Oh ok. Swagger doesn't count? Swagger is a good wrestler but IMO not as good as Del Rio and honestly swagger's matches with Del Rio has been some of his best (swagger)
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Post by Djm Doesn't Find You Funny on Apr 23, 2013 10:58:25 GMT -5
Something something common man and all that.
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Post by bob on Apr 23, 2013 10:59:46 GMT -5
Face Del Rio isn't allowed to have nice things. His cars disappeared, his theme is now horrible and Ricardo is beat up.
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Post by Andy Martin on Apr 23, 2013 11:02:06 GMT -5
Yea, "Average Wrestler". I said it. Prove me wrong. I'm talking average as far as WWE talent goes. He'll never sell out arenas, he'll never sell PPV's, he'll never sell merchandise. The belt was put on him from the get go. Fans didn't gravitate towards him, they were forced towards him. He is a "Mid Card" wrestler. There's nothing wrong with that, many people would love to be a "Mid Card" wrestler. Then you mean average as far as buyrate goes. But he's far from an average "wrestler;" I can't think of a bad match he's had or a wrestler he's had one with. I don't know, I mean I think he's a slightly above average performer in ring wisebut I've enjoyed his face run MUCH more than his heel one.
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Post by kidglov3s on Apr 23, 2013 11:04:13 GMT -5
I think cena and punk click very well. Del Rio is better with guys that have decent-good wrestling skills. I.E. Cody,Cesaro,Bryan,Swagger etc. Explain to me what you mean by carrying people. You mean calling the match? Because i said in another thread that I noticed Del Rio calling the spots in his ziggler matches and his swagger matches and those matches have been fantastic. Is that what you mean by carrying? What I mean is managing a solid match with a lesser opponent, or bringing them up to his level. Like, Cena's managed a few solid matches with Khali, and someone like Ziggler or Bryan can get a good match out of pretty much anyone, but if given someone who isn't any good to work with I can't see del Rio doing the same. I really want to agree with everything you've written here in this thread with the exception of the Kurt stuff, #TEAMANGLE. For me it's like, is Del Rio a bad wrestler? Not at all. Are his matches usually pretty boring? AWWW HELLL YEAHHHHHHHH! He just seems to work this really dry and down to earth style. He used to be great at projecting character, but I don't think he's ever really recovered from the changes made after the Christian feud where they toned down his personality. That detracts from his matches for me as much as it does from his segments.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2013 11:05:41 GMT -5
What I mean is managing a solid match with a lesser opponent, or bringing them up to his level. Like, Cena's managed a few solid matches with Khali, and someone like Ziggler or Bryan can get a good match out of pretty much anyone, but if given someone who isn't any good to work with I can't see del Rio doing the same. I really want to agree with everything you've written here in this thread with the exception of the Kurt stuff, #TEAMANGLE. For me it's like, is Del Rio a bad wrestler? Not at all. Are his matches usually pretty boring? AWWW HELLL YEAHHHHHHHH! He just seems to work this really dry and down to earth style. He used to be great at projecting character, but I don't think he's ever really recovered from the changes made after the Christian feud where they toned down his personality. That detracts from his matches for me as much as it does from his segments. I'll grant with Angle, that's more his TNA work that prompted me to use him for a comparison. He was way more consistent in WWE, and the only real train wreck I can think of him having there is the one with Henry at the Rumble. And to be fair in TNA he's been running on gum and duct tape, so physical limitations are probably part of that.
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