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Post by Dave the Dave on Apr 25, 2013 21:54:21 GMT -5
THe end part talking about how you don't care could be percieved that way.
Can we not degrade into a petty fight this early into a thread guys? Maybe page 3?
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Post by keepinitreal365 on Apr 25, 2013 21:59:01 GMT -5
THe end part talking about how you don't care could be percieved that way. Can we not degrade into a petty fight this early into a thread guys? Maybe page 2? No fight from my part. I don't care but that statement making me sound 12 is stupid. I don't come on here to internet argue. I'm here as a wrestling fan to voice my opinion, thoughts etc. just like everyone else.
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Post by BigWill on Apr 25, 2013 22:00:17 GMT -5
THe end part talking about how you don't care could be percieved that way. Can we not degrade into a petty fight this early into a thread guys? Maybe page 3? Sure. I can wait.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2013 22:18:29 GMT -5
THe end part talking about how you don't care could be percieved that way. Can we not degrade into a petty fight this early into a thread guys? Maybe page 2? No fight from my part. I don't care but that statement making me sound 12 is stupid. I don't come on here to internet argue. I'm here as a wrestling fan to voice my opinion, thoughts etc. just like everyone else. It's because you posted in this heated, "deal with it bitches" fashion that was unnecessary. I thought the same thing when I read it.
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Post by zeez on Apr 25, 2013 22:25:17 GMT -5
I like Dolph and he's still fairly young in his reign so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2013 23:02:22 GMT -5
Nope.
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Post by nate5054 on Apr 25, 2013 23:25:31 GMT -5
Or does something about him not feel like champion material to you? Sure. The WHC is pretty much what the IC championship was back in the day, and he's fine in the role.
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Post by Joey K is A OKAY! on Apr 26, 2013 9:08:06 GMT -5
I do but only because of how i interpret the titles in the WWE today. To me, the only legit MAIN EVENT title is the WWE Championship. The WHC title is comparable in prestige to the 80's/90's Intercontinental Championship. Its the belt that signifies the potential the holder has in becoming a major player in the main event scene as well as solidifying and validating the in-ring skills/persona they have, much like what the original IC title stood for. Whereas today's intercont is more comparable to the European title in terms of prestige and the US title being pretty much a prop/decoration on the same level with the 24/7 era of the Hardcore title.
So with taking that into consideration, yes Dolph is a perfect WHC because I can EASILY see him holding the Intercontinental Championship during its glory years and having excellent fueds and matches with guys like Bret Hart, Mr. Perfect, Shawn Michaels, etc etc. To me the real question is what does he do during his reign to establish himself as a guy who we can buy as a legit threat to the WWE Title in the future. Thats what guys like CM Punk did on their way to Main Event level superstardom. Again, very reminiscent of the role the original IC title played in earlier generations.
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Post by kidglov3s on Apr 26, 2013 9:17:55 GMT -5
The problem with not being in love with Dolph Ziggler is that his fervent fanbase can be touchy. I wish I liked him more as a wrestler, because being critical of Dolph makes one seem like an idiot or a child as he's come to be defined as something of a "Taster's Choice" for the intellectual wrestling fan. For some reason he always seems like he's making a joke of everything, and I can never 'lose' myself in his matches. His offense looks incredibly weak. I wonder if his opponents hold back on bumping because it never seems like he's actually doing much to them when he hits them. Maybe my issue isn't with Dolph at all but how the people he's working with respond to him. I swear I can read and write I just don't think Dolph's the greatest. I do, however, think there's far worse than him. So I guess, thumbs in the middle?
As far as buying him as a champion, I think that WWE did him damage in that regard by having him lose all the time, especially if all you watch is Raw. I've been baffled with how they've booked him. They've set him up as probably the most sympathetic guy on the card, and he's a heel. It's all so backwards.
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Post by The OP on Apr 26, 2013 9:18:59 GMT -5
I say yeah. Maybe it's old fashioned but I tend to think of guys who come from an amateur wrestling background as more "championship material" and Dolph was a standout at Kent State, or at least that's what they've said on TV. The background can be real or kayfabe but it should be there either way. I would say Swagger and Del Rio are both similarly credible since people keep bringing them up as comparisons.
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 26, 2013 9:53:02 GMT -5
I don't see Chelsea as good enough to be European Champions or Man City as Premiership champions. But it happened. Things like that always happen in sport. A team or individual can win something big without looking like they are truly at that level. If you're not into Football I am sure you can think of a time when a Basketball team or American Football team won the Playoffs or Super Bowl without really seeming like they were the best team out there.
It's only because we know wrestling is scripted that we look at things in a different way. Personally it has never bothered me when someone is booked to lose a lot or look unimpressive but then gets a big win - it happens! In fact arguably it makes things more realistic sometimes when someone manages to pull a big win out of nowhere.
I know Dolph Ziggler has the genuine talent to be a main eventer so I have no problem there either. So yeah, I buy him as a World Champion. In theory I could buy anyone as a champion I think. But it helps when they have legitimate talent like Dolph has.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2013 10:05:36 GMT -5
We all have our opinions but dolph being world title material over del rio is laughable. Anyway no i don't "buy" him as whc. He's a jobber and that's all I...repeat I see him as. I see nothing special in him at all. It doesn't even sound right to me. World heavyweight Champion Dolph Ziggler. I don't like him never cared for him and people need to stop comparing him to Curt Henning because it's disrespectful to Henning. Ziggler isn't worth henning's abc gum. I look forward to win ziggles loses the title back to Del Rio. That's what I have to say and i don't care. Are you Alberto Del Rio? I've never seen someone have so much gusto about a do-nothing title reign where nothing happens except nationalistic pandering.
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Post by keepinitreal365 on Apr 26, 2013 10:36:50 GMT -5
We all have our opinions but dolph being world title material over del rio is laughable. Anyway no i don't "buy" him as whc. He's a jobber and that's all I...repeat I see him as. I see nothing special in him at all. It doesn't even sound right to me. World heavyweight Champion Dolph Ziggler. I don't like him never cared for him and people need to stop comparing him to Curt Henning because it's disrespectful to Henning. Ziggler isn't worth henning's abc gum. I look forward to win ziggles loses the title back to Del Rio. That's what I have to say and i don't care. Are you Alberto Del Rio? I've never seen someone have so much gusto about a do-nothing title reign where nothing happens except nationalistic pandering. LOL no. I'm just a really huge fan of his. I appreciate his talents...and his looks. HA
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Post by 4real on Apr 26, 2013 10:55:21 GMT -5
At the moment not really but it's very early to tell. I really want Dolph to succeed as Champion but that can only happen if WWE books him correctly. I just get the feeling he's going to be a coward champion bailed out by AJ & Big E every week (and whoever's feuding with his oppenent that week). He can be more than that.
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Post by StuntGranny® on Apr 26, 2013 10:57:34 GMT -5
Right now? No. Not in the slightest.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Apr 26, 2013 11:08:27 GMT -5
I buy Dolph as WHC a helluva lot more than I bought Miz as WWE champion.
Hell, The Great Khali and Alberto Del Rio were World Heavyweight Champion. Dolph as WHC isn't that hard a sell.
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Post by jason1980s on Apr 26, 2013 11:35:30 GMT -5
I certainly agree with the one poster's opinion.
I think Dolph's body looks a lot better than a jobbers but everything else in the look screams jobbers. When I see the photos of him holding a belt and mouth wide open screaming-like it looks like a jobber who got his first win after 10 years of losing.
He gives off a look that makes me think writers were in a round table discussion and were thinking "That Billy Gunn was fairly popular for a little while, how about we give a younger guy the same look and see if he gets over." He's got the blond hair and style, the short, shiny or colorful trunks, the boots with the buckles and fameasser. If he's changed his look a little, I can't say for certain as I just change the channel when I see him on. It's like watching a fake Doink on the indys.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Apr 26, 2013 11:50:27 GMT -5
A clean win where he doesnt rely on AJ, Big E or interference from his opponent's feud of the day to win a match would go a long way towards solidifying him.
He has all the makings of a classic heel champ who's that good and somehow keeps winning. He *could* have a great reign if done right
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Post by ________ has left the building on Apr 26, 2013 11:57:30 GMT -5
He got a couple of months and more matches to win before he has that credibility. Great that he won the World title but like Swagger's first run, he had no real momentum and going into the game 10 points down.
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Post by dicecasden on Apr 26, 2013 13:11:26 GMT -5
Short Answer: No
Long Answer: There is a reason as to why Curt Hennig was never given a World title run in the WWE, and that is the following: "Some guys are just better off in the middle of the show".
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