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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2013 8:29:21 GMT -5
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Post by Hawk Hart on May 1, 2013 0:56:14 GMT -5
Review-a-Wai this week came early and is about this documentary. Great review, I have the documentary, I need to get around to watching it.
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Post by Chuckie Finster on May 1, 2013 1:30:14 GMT -5
I donated to it and got the DVD last Friday. I enjoyed it and couldn't stop watching. It has the flaws that are mentioned here (Extreme Rising). I'm on another forum that John is actuall on and he discussed many of the issues presented here.
Re: The Music. All he was paying for was some background music that didn't take away from the talking. Most of the Kickstarter money went towards producing and mass-producing DVD's. If he was going after WWE footage or licensed music that ECW used without permission, then the Kickstarter would have to had another zero added.
Re: Dreamer. They tried really hard to interview him and had a discussion about it, but in the end Dreamer felt his story was best told in the Rise and Fall DVD and declined. They approaches EVERYONE from the old ECW. Heyman denied participating many times.
From what I've gathered from John, he didn't want this to be a wrestling doc for wrestling fans. He wants to go to film festivals and be able to present this to non-wrestling fans. That's why he used the Extreme Rising narrative so he can illustrate how people miss the old ECW so much they are trying to recreate it 12 years later.
He sent an e-mail update on Tuesday saying that he wished he handled the DVD shipping differently and hired a company to do it instead of his partner doing it himself.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2013 7:00:55 GMT -5
They got over $20K from Kickstarter, much of which was essentially those people paying $40 to pre-order a copy of the DVD. Manufacturing professional DVDs comes to about $2 per DVD. The music was self-created by Kevin Kiernan. It says as much in the credits. I'm all for these guys making some money off all the work they put into it, so that is a minor gripe.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on May 3, 2013 16:33:35 GMT -5
Just finished watching it. Overall, it was well-done. I enjoyed it. Pretty cool to hear from Atlas Security, the man from the state athletic commission, and the Hat Guy. It's also cool to see discussion of Extreme Reunion's disastrous first show and to see footage of people from years ago and then recent interviews with them.
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Post by tigermaskxxxvii on May 4, 2013 0:41:35 GMT -5
I considered donating to the Kickstarter campaign to get a copy of the DVD but ultimately didn't because I had the thought of "Ugh, another ECW documentary?! We already have a WWE-produced doc and an independently made doc with ECW guys who aren't on the best of terms with WWE. Why another?" But listening to this is selling me on the doc and when I'm able to clear up some credit card debt this will be a definite future purchase. It seems great to see that there are guys in this who not only weren't in Rise and Fall of ECW, but they weren't even in Forever Hardcore! Plus it's nice to see they have guys tangently related to ECW ("Strictly ECW" founder Tony Lewis, the guy from the Pennsylvania State Athletic Commission, journalists, etc). Also that they mention how the doc was started during the tail end of ECW's existence until the first Extreme Rising show so you can see the same guys be interviewed multiple times over the years, so time can give the interview subjects some change in perspective as opposed to just sitting down once for an extended interview at either WWE's production studio or a hotel room (which Forever Hardcore seemed to do). I understand the filmmaker's aversion to being too "wrestle-centric of a film, but it just sounds kind of funny to hear someone who made a documentary on Extreme Championship Wrestling to try not to make it too wrestle-centric. Addendum: I love the cover photo of the barbed wire fence with the blue sky and clouds in the background. Just because ECW's marketing when it came to logos and graphics was always based around a lot of dark colors. The t-shirts they sold to promote the company were always black with barbed wire graphics and some of the fonts were blood red. Basically a very heavy metal visual aesthetic applied to wrestling. And Forever Hardcore and all of the ECW reunions, rehashes and promotions like XPW basically copied this style. So to see an ECW-related product that has a blue sky and clouds (albeit behind a bad ass image like a barbed wire fence) is very refreshing. Also the sky background gives me a sense unnatural calm which goes well with the violent nature of ECW.
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