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Post by Bub (BLM) on May 19, 2013 2:44:38 GMT -5
They'd better give Hawkeye a much more prominent role this time around. They've got an Academy Award nominated actor playing him, and the character is a fan favorite. Hell, in the realm of comics, Hawkeye is more popular than Iron Man and Thor. Whedon really gave him the shaft last time, so hopefully that will be rectified. I could definitely get by with less Widow, though. Scarlett is god awful at playing a badass assassin.
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Post by DSR on May 19, 2013 3:06:35 GMT -5
Eh, they had to do something to show she was worth having around. She couldn't be JUST eye candy. She still got very little of the spotlight compared to the rest of the team (well, her and Hawkeye felt about even). Widow had the third most screen time after Cap and Iron Man, so she got plenty of time and spotlight. My mistake. I just don't really remember her moments nearly as well as I remember Cap's, IM's, or Hulk's.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on May 19, 2013 3:09:23 GMT -5
They'd better give Hawkeye a much more prominent role this time around. They've got an Academy Award nominated actor playing him, and the character is a fan favorite. Hell, in the realm of comics, Hawkeye is more popular than Iron Man and Thor. Whedon really gave him the shaft last time, so hopefully that will be rectified. I could definitely get by with less Widow, though. Scarlett is god awful at playing a badass assassin. Take for example my local comic shop on Free Comic Book Day this year, they pretty much sold out all of their Hawkeye trades and single issues, but had a crap load of the "major" Marvel characters left. The only character whose materials sold better than Hawkeye at my local shop was Deadpool.
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Post by Sephiroth on May 19, 2013 7:13:26 GMT -5
Well, the previous films did leave us several villain options. Captain America raised definite chances for The Red Skull and Arnim Zola to return, and The incredible Hulk also gave us our first peak at The Leader.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2013 7:45:27 GMT -5
I heard that Thanos wasn't going to be in the second movie. I hope that he atleast makes an appearance, even possibly defeating The Avengers leading into the third movie with a big showdown.
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Post by Piccolo on May 19, 2013 8:24:19 GMT -5
Oh yeah, a female character with reality warping powers in the hands of a guy with a proven track record of trying to create "badass" women to hit or miss results(hell even in the same series. Using Firefly/Serenity as an example, Zoe was a hit for me, River was a miss). What could POSSIBLY go wrong? eh it's not like he made the first movie the Black Widow show or anything. I just wish they'd used a more interesting female Avenger because while Natasha's cool and all she really doesn't fit in a big space invasion story very well, and she seemed redundant because they already had Captain America there anyway. I would guess she had a more prominent role in this one to build her up for the next Cap movie. But they certainly didn't only have to have ONE female Avenger. She could've been there, and one of the others could've been added, too.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on May 19, 2013 8:32:12 GMT -5
Wasp and Ant-Man are never going to get their due...
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on May 19, 2013 8:37:00 GMT -5
eh it's not like he made the first movie the Black Widow show or anything. I just wish they'd used a more interesting female Avenger because while Natasha's cool and all she really doesn't fit in a big space invasion story very well, and she seemed redundant because they already had Captain America there anyway. He didn't make it the Black Widow Show, but she held her own surprisingly well considering she was in close combat the entire time.......oh, and made her the one who closed the portal. But yeah overall he didn't go overboard, but he still showed hints of his usual trademark. Closing the portal was pretty much a matter of whoever picked up Loki's staff and jammed it in there. It wasn't like Cap and Thor were ringing their hands and fretting about how they're all going to die when Widow shoved them aside and took control. It was also a tacit admission that she was the least effective in terms of raw power and would be better served going after the unguarded portal. Her combat scenes at the end were similarly balanced; yes, she did take a good number of the alien mooks, but by using stealth, speed and their own weapons against them. It's not like she was up on the monster worm with Hulk and Thor just mowing them down. Her only really big "...Really?" moment was when she managed to trick Loki into revealing his plans for Hulk, and even then, she's still getting over what he said to her much later in the movie and looks pretty terrified when he smashes his fist on the super-unbreakable glass that's separating them. Throughout the film, she clearly knows that directly confronting Loki (their only confrontation comes when Loki is imprisoned; she makes sure to stay in the plane in Germany), Thor (who she warns Cap not to go after) and Hulk (the very mention of whom stops her dead in her tracks after she effortlessly dispatches the Russian gangsters) would pretty much end her in 5 seconds. She got a nice role but the whole "Oh, Whedon loves the super-ladies!" thing just falls flat to me. Aside from Hawkeye, she didn't outshine any of the male Avengers in any way. The "screentime count" is just petty considering Cap, Hulk, Thor and Iron Man all had their own movies before Avengers.
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Post by Bishblast on May 19, 2013 8:49:40 GMT -5
I thought for sure, with how Hawkeye played a significantly less central role than any of the other Avengers, that he would be a more integral part in the second one. Thinking that the 1st movie was to set up characterization with a character that most of the mainstream audience isn't familiar with, but able to do so while also giving the other, much more recognizable characters the majority of the screen time.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on May 19, 2013 8:52:30 GMT -5
Wasp and Ant-Man are never going to get their due... we can "thank" Edgar Wright for that. he's one of my favorite directors but dude dragged his feet for way too long just because Marvel wanted the movie to be about Hank Pym and he insisted on Eric O'Grady. they really should've just kicked him off the project and given it to someone else.
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on May 19, 2013 10:21:49 GMT -5
They'd better give Hawkeye a much more prominent role this time around. They've got an Academy Award nominated actor playing him, and the character is a fan favorite. Hell, in the realm of comics, Hawkeye is more popular than Iron Man and Thor. Whedon really gave him the shaft last time, so hopefully that will be rectified. I could definitely get by with less Widow, though. Scarlett is god awful at playing a badass assassin. Agreed. After Captain America, Hawkeye is the heart and soul of the Avengers. It'd be a real shame if they never showed why in the movies.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on May 19, 2013 11:08:58 GMT -5
They'd better give Hawkeye a much more prominent role this time around. They've got an Academy Award nominated actor playing him, and the character is a fan favorite. Hell, in the realm of comics, Hawkeye is more popular than Iron Man and Thor. Whedon really gave him the shaft last time, so hopefully that will be rectified. I could definitely get by with less Widow, though. Scarlett is god awful at playing a badass assassin. Agreed. After Captain America, Hawkeye is the heart and soul of the Avengers. It'd be a real shame if they never showed why in the movies. didn't help that they replaced his fun-loving goofball personality with "grim stoic Badass #2067".
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on May 19, 2013 11:39:10 GMT -5
They'd better give Hawkeye a much more prominent role this time around. They've got an Academy Award nominated actor playing him, and the character is a fan favorite. Hell, in the realm of comics, Hawkeye is more popular than Iron Man and Thor. Whedon really gave him the shaft last time, so hopefully that will be rectified. I could definitely get by with less Widow, though. Scarlett is god awful at playing a badass assassin. Agreed. After Captain America, Hawkeye is the heart and soul of the Avengers. It'd be a real shame if they never showed why in the movies. In essence he really should've been one of the snarkier members of the team, aside from Iron Man.
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on May 19, 2013 12:10:00 GMT -5
Agreed. After Captain America, Hawkeye is the heart and soul of the Avengers. It'd be a real shame if they never showed why in the movies. didn't help that they replaced his fun-loving goofball personality with "grim stoic Badass #2067". Yeah, there was way too much of an Ultimate influence for my tastes. I wanted to see Hawkeye as he was when he first joined the Avengers, a cocksure rebel who was constantly pushing to replace Captain America as the leader while making constant Methuselah jokes at his expense. Instead, they gave the role of Cap's foil to Iron Man and let him make the age jokes. Which worked well enough in the confines of the movie-verse, I guess, but really does take away from some of Hawkeye's prime characterization.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2013 12:17:47 GMT -5
No Hawkeye, no buy.
Okay... I'll still buy, but I'll be upset.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on May 19, 2013 12:30:10 GMT -5
The problem is they had Hawkeye spend the majority of the film as a stoic mind controlled villain. When he was fighting the aliens at the end of the film, he loosened up a lot compared to earlier and showed brief flashes of what he is really like, for example when he nonchalantly shot the alien behind his back without looking, or his exchange with Black Widow about their mission to Budapest and he quips, "You and I remember Budapest very differently".
I would like to think that had he had more screen time as a good guy, he would've had a lot more quips.
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Post by Legion on May 19, 2013 13:53:23 GMT -5
I'd be happy to have no Hawkeye myself.
They robbed him of his personality and made him dull and uninteresting, plus they ditched his costume for a whole 'real' thing that is just dumb in context. Plus I dont like Renner.
Losing him but gaining Wanda and Pietro, even bastardised non-mutant versions, is a good trade.
I wonder if Scarlet Witch will will actually use magic, rather than reality manipulation, seeing as how Dr Strange is a phase 3 project.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on May 19, 2013 14:10:32 GMT -5
I'd be happy to have no Hawkeye myself. They robbed him of his personality and made him dull and uninteresting, plus they ditched his costume for a whole 'real' thing that is just dumb in context. Plus I dont like Renner. Losing him but gaining Wanda and Pietro, even bastardised non-mutant versions, is a good trade. I wonder if Scarlet Witch will will actually use magic, rather than reality manipulation, seeing as how Dr Strange is a phase 3 project. I'll be honest I am kind of glad they changed his outfit for the film, because his purple Robin Hood get up with the mask and everything is, imo, stupid looking. Like REALLY stupid looking. The first time I ever saw Hawkeye I had to resist bursting out in laughter at his outfit.
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Post by Legion on May 19, 2013 15:02:10 GMT -5
I'd be happy to have no Hawkeye myself. They robbed him of his personality and made him dull and uninteresting, plus they ditched his costume for a whole 'real' thing that is just dumb in context. Plus I dont like Renner. Losing him but gaining Wanda and Pietro, even bastardised non-mutant versions, is a good trade. I wonder if Scarlet Witch will will actually use magic, rather than reality manipulation, seeing as how Dr Strange is a phase 3 project. I'll be honest I am kind of glad they changed his outfit for the film, because his purple Robin Hood get up with the mask and everything is, imo, stupid looking. Like REALLY stupid looking. The first time I ever saw Hawkeye I had to resist bursting out in laughter at his outfit. I'm not saying he needed his 616 costume, but what he got was just as crap for being so bland and forgetable. Much like the character as a whole in the movies
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Post by Sephiroth on May 19, 2013 15:35:12 GMT -5
Going to have to wait and see the results of the next Thor and Captain America movies to get a better idea of what Marvel may have in mind. Iron Man 3 made few refs to the events of The Avengers, and there was no me toon of anything having remotely to do with Thanos. If we do have to wait till Avengers 3 to get him full on, then I expect we really are looking at an Infinity War scaled project. Personally I prefer they not do that because the genre might well burn itself out before we get the pay off.
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