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Post by Savage Gambino on Oct 25, 2014 17:46:55 GMT -5
Thinking about it...Hulk having to be put down doesn't have to be exactly what we saw. If Ultron can hijack Stark's resources (he apparently can as we see in the teaser) it doesn't even have to be Stark in the armor. What we actually might be seeing is Ultron using a Stark Suit and Hulkbuster Armor with The Hulk having to stop him, which will definitely fuel some trust issues between the Super Science Bros. and even tarnish Stark's image to the public. Although that does seem the more interesting thing to do narrative wise, I think way too much into some of these things. Sometimes the simplest explanations are the best, especially when it comes to Marvel movies. So it's probably just Stark himself having to throw down against a rampaging Hulk, which is the least interesting thing that could happen from it. And I'll be highly pissed off if Falcon and Rhodey can only get cameos and shit in this movie. Highly pissed off. At the rate Marvel is going, Andy Serkis will probably end up being Black Panther.You killed me, bruh. I will say this: if Andy Serkis IS in fact playing Klaw, and vibranium plays as much of a role in the movie as it has in the comics, this is as good a set up for Black Panther in Phase 3 as Thanos in the end of The Avengers was for GotG and the Infinity Gems.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Oct 25, 2014 17:52:59 GMT -5
Thinking about it...Hulk having to be put down doesn't have to be exactly what we saw. If Ultron can hijack Stark's resources (he apparently can as we see in the teaser) it doesn't even have to be Stark in the armor. What we actually might be seeing is Ultron using a Stark Suit and Hulkbuster Armor with The Hulk having to stop him, which will definitely fuel some trust issues between the Super Science Bros. and even tarnish Stark's image to the public. Although that does seem the more interesting thing to do narrative wise, I think way too much into some of these things. Sometimes the simplest explanations are the best, especially when it comes to Marvel movies. So it's probably just Stark himself having to throw down against a rampaging Hulk, which is the least interesting thing that could happen from it. And I'll be highly pissed off if Falcon and Rhodey can only get cameos and shit in this movie. Highly pissed off. At the rate Marvel is going, Andy Serkis will probably end up being Black Panther. I'll spoil tag this. nothing big but a good theory of where they might go? {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}These fellas at ScreenRant.com were theorizing that Hulk goes crazy and they end up blasting Hulky into space and he ends up in Planet Hulk and then maybe World War Hulk? thoughts? Ehhh.... {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}If they shoot the Hulk in space he could always run into Peter Quill and make his way back to Earth in time for Avengers 3 where the Planet Hulk storyline is implied to happen. That's an interesting thought. The thing about Stark's image and trust issues with the rest of them could explain that bit where Thor grabs him round the throat and lifts him off the ground. Though that just come from Tony being the one to create Ultron in this universe.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Oct 25, 2014 18:38:11 GMT -5
Thinking about it...Hulk having to be put down doesn't have to be exactly what we saw. If Ultron can hijack Stark's resources (he apparently can as we see in the teaser) it doesn't even have to be Stark in the armor. What we actually might be seeing is Ultron using a Stark Suit and Hulkbuster Armor with The Hulk having to stop him, which will definitely fuel some trust issues between the Super Science Bros. and even tarnish Stark's image to the public. Although that does seem the more interesting thing to do narrative wise, I think way too much into some of these things. Sometimes the simplest explanations are the best, especially when it comes to Marvel movies. So it's probably just Stark himself having to throw down against a rampaging Hulk, which is the least interesting thing that could happen from it. And I'll be highly pissed off if Falcon and Rhodey can only get cameos and shit in this movie. Highly pissed off. At the rate Marvel is going, Andy Serkis will probably end up being Black Panther.You killed me, bruh. I will say this: if Andy Serkis IS in fact playing Klaw, and vibranium plays as much of a role in the movie as it has in the comics, this is as good a set up for Black Panther in Phase 3 as Thanos in the end of The Avengers was for GotG and the Infinity Gems. Maybe a Black Panther movie is one of those unannounced films without a title yet set for 2017.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Oct 26, 2014 1:05:49 GMT -5
Ultron full body concept art, via ComicBook.com: I dunno. What I saw in the trailer looked amazing, but I'm not quite sold on this. Maybe it just looks better in action.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 2:17:41 GMT -5
You killed me, bruh. I will say this: if Andy Serkis IS in fact playing Klaw, and vibranium plays as much of a role in the movie as it has in the comics, this is as good a set up for Black Panther in Phase 3 as Thanos in the end of The Avengers was for GotG and the Infinity Gems. I think that works as Ultron constantly upgrades himself. At a certain point he's probably going to give himself a nice nearly-indestructible vibranium body and there aren't too many ways or places to get the metal from...unless he gets it on the black market. Wakanda ain't giving up shit so Klaw could be the supplier for that, or Klaw could be a supplier to Hydra and Ultron steals their entire stock when he turns SkyNet...
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Oct 26, 2014 9:39:54 GMT -5
Ultron full body concept art, via ComicBook.com: I dunno. What I saw in the trailer looked amazing, but I'm not quite sold on this. Maybe it just looks better in action. Most concept art looks better in action. This still looks pretty cool and considering it's a white background it does appear to be off, perhaps if they showed him in a ruined tattered city, or in his iconic image of sitting on his own throne it would look more Ultronish.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 16:19:26 GMT -5
Brilliant
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Post by simplydurhamcalling on Oct 26, 2014 18:17:53 GMT -5
I just noticed that you can actually see Stark (or at least somebody in a normal Iron Man suit) get into the Hulkbuster armour so my theory of Ultron controlling it appears to be incorrect.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Oct 26, 2014 22:18:19 GMT -5
I just noticed that you can actually see Stark (or at least somebody in a normal Iron Man suit) get into the Hulkbuster armour so my theory of Ultron controlling it appears to be incorrect. It's quite possible that Ultron possibly has control over some of Stark's armor along with the Hulkbuster suit.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Oct 26, 2014 23:12:33 GMT -5
I just noticed that you can actually see Stark (or at least somebody in a normal Iron Man suit) get into the Hulkbuster armour so my theory of Ultron controlling it appears to be incorrect. Recall in Iron Man 3 that there were Iron Man armors that Tony summoned and was able to control without anyone in them. The same might be true here, but with Ultron controlling Hulkbuster IM instead of Tony.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Oct 26, 2014 23:18:00 GMT -5
I love the trailer so much. Just greatness.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Oct 26, 2014 23:24:18 GMT -5
I love that they only give us a little glimpse of the money shot with the beaten Avengers lying unconscious.
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Post by simplydurhamcalling on Oct 27, 2014 3:41:47 GMT -5
I just noticed that you can actually see Stark (or at least somebody in a normal Iron Man suit) get into the Hulkbuster armour so my theory of Ultron controlling it appears to be incorrect. It's quite possible that Ultron possibly has control over some of Stark's armor along with the Hulkbuster suit. I just can't see why he would need to control one Iron Man suit just to go and control another, seems a bit pointless, but you may be right.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Oct 27, 2014 9:30:39 GMT -5
It's quite possible that Ultron possibly has control over some of Stark's armor along with the Hulkbuster suit. I just can't see why he would need to control one Iron Man suit just to go and control another, seems a bit pointless, but you may be right. hulkbuster might not be a fully functional suit in the cinematic universe. Could be a separate attachment that goes over the standard armor, which kinda makes more sense than having 20 different versions of suits.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Oct 27, 2014 11:39:19 GMT -5
Rewatching Iron Man 3 last night (once you get past the wall-banger of a twist, it's actually a pretty good movie), it looks to me like the Ultron program could start as a continuation of the Iron Legion concept. Which means Thor choking Tony and the Avengers vs. Tony Stark theme might come from them feeling that he put the world at risk just so he'd never have to put on the suit again. It would be an interesting idea to look at, contrasting Tony from Thor, Rhodey, Hawkeye, Black Widow, and the Captain; they're all warriors, all they know is war. Tony's the "genius billionaire playboy philanthropist", he doesn't live by the sword, and his ability to put down the sword maybe gives him a different worldview from them (and from Banner, who is a scientist by trade, but who doesn't really have a choice in the matter).
It could also give us a road map to Civil War (Avenger as Soldier vs. Avenger as CEO/Politician), if that is indeed the plans for Cap 3.
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Post by simplydurhamcalling on Oct 27, 2014 13:09:46 GMT -5
I just can't see why he would need to control one Iron Man suit just to go and control another, seems a bit pointless, but you may be right. hulkbuster might not be a fully functional suit in the cinematic universe. Could be a separate attachment that goes over the standard armor, which kinda makes more sense than having 20 different versions of suits. It could be, it just doesn't seem like it would flow well like that on screen.
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Post by SenorCrest on Oct 28, 2014 21:54:18 GMT -5
This dude breaks down the trailer very nicely. It cleared so much for me. He was at comicCon and so he uses what he learned there plus the comic book material to expand the trailer so watch at risk? I guess? Doesn't seem like it has any real spoilers. However: {Spoiler}This whole time I thought that Ultron was actually a robot made out of the remains from the iron man suits and wanted revenge. Since at the end of Iron Man 3 Tony blows them all up I figure something came out of it. haha I suck.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Oct 28, 2014 21:59:30 GMT -5
They actually showed a new scene for the exclusive preview during Agents of SHIELD. {Spoiler}They showed Cap being able to move the Mjolnir. So that's definitely setting up for him to use it against Thanos in Avengers 3 part 2.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Oct 28, 2014 22:42:37 GMT -5
{Spoiler}Other than the new scene, the trailer shown is basically the same as the leaked one last week, save for the shots of scared civilians omitted.
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